24" Widescreen CRT (FW900) From Ebay arrived,Comments.

[rbV5]

Where is the best place to get the FW900 currently? My 22" Mitsu is due for replacement after many years of service and FW900 would be my preference for my gaming display on my main PC.

 

[NKSRoadKill]

craigslist is the best place to find one local.
there have been several here in phoenix listed.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: NKSRoadKill
craigslist is the best place to find one local.
there have been several here in phoenix listed.

None in the Portland area, I'd like to avoid the classfied/drive around method if possible actually.

 

[rbV5]

Anyone do business with Azatech.com? They have an "A" grade A7217A that looks tempting. Its the HP rather than the Sony, however, I believe they are the same unit?

 

[NKSRoadKill]

mine was $190 and i bought it from a computer place here and it had a guarantee.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: NKSRoadKill
mine was $190 and i bought it from a computer place here and it had a guarantee.

Thats nice and all, but thats not going to help me unless you are talking about Azatech.com (which I thinK may be right there in Phoenix?) or provide a link to your computer place for me to check. I'm not driving to Phoenix if thats what you're suggesting LOL.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: rbV5
Anyone do business with Azatech.com? They have an "A" grade A7217A that looks tempting. Its the HP rather than the Sony, however, I believe they are the same unit?

The largest thread I've seen on the FW900/A7217A is over on Hardforums. I think a few of the people bought theirs from Azatek, but it might take you awhile to read through the entire thread to find them.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=952788

And yes, they are the same monitor with just the case color being different.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

omg 1920x1200 @98hz.. i love it.. but its soo heavy

 

[Sunrise089]

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99
omg 1920x1200 @98hz.. i love it.. but its soo heavy

ehh...you can use the $400 you save over the equal quality Dell 2405fpw (not to open up flames, but to me the CRT advantages counterbalance to Dell's 1.5" larger screen) to buy a 2x4 to prop up your desk.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: rbV5
Anyone do business with Azatech.com? They have an "A" grade A7217A that looks tempting. Its the HP rather than the Sony, however, I believe they are the same unit?

The largest thread I've seen on the FW900/A7217A is over on Hardforums. I think a few of the people bought theirs from Azatek, but it might take you awhile to read through the entire thread to find them.

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=952788

And yes, they are the same monitor with just the case color being different.

Yea, thanks, I've been wading through that thread. It looks like ~ $400 from ebay shipped or ~$480 from azatek.com, there is a member here selling one as well I could drive to Seattle for, I hate the drive up I-5, but its tempting to be able to check it out first...and its an actual Sony display...

 

[Creig]

I'm happy I went with an A7217 instead of an LCD. There're still too many drawbacks associated with LCD when it's compared to CRT (at least for me). Perhaps the next stage of monitor technology (SED?) will be better.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

How would I best configure this screen to work with my 360?

 

[NKSRoadKill]

it has 2 inputs so you could hook up your computer to either the vga or bnc and
hook your 360 up to the other one.
no special setup required, you do have to let the crt settle and calabrate it after you set
it up.
here's where i got mine if your in the phoenix area.
24" monitor phx craigslist

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
How would I best configure this screen to work with my 360?

I use a BNC cable for my PC and the official MS VGA cable for 360,
this way I can easily switch between the two with the monitor's input switch.

360's VGA output is lacking Contrast which tends to make the picture look washed out with default monitor settings, (common complaint on all display types) but you can make it look nice by cranking up the monitors contrast setting and decrease the brightness, Mine is set at Contrast 95 / Brightness 8 with Xbox360 but every FW900 is alittle differant so this might not be ideal for you. The FW900 remembers settings for each input so you dont have to worry about having to change settings everytime you switch between 360 / PC.

I run my 360 at 1280x720 (720P) and resized the screen so that theres very small black bars on top and bottom to make the aspect ratio correct (the FW900 is 16:10 aspect and 720P is 16:9). The only thing I wish could be alittle better is the Color vibrancy ,Again mostly the VGA cables fault but I havent really messed with the FW900's many color settings , lately ive been playing 360 on my 34" Sony XBR960 CRT HDTV which I just bought a few months ago.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Fvcking scratch on my monitor is going to make me broke at this rate.

What's the difference between the HP OEM and the Original Sony? Just case appearance?

(I didn't want to look at the pages too long)

EDIT: yeah, specs look the same exactly...

Man... why shouldn't I get this?

92 pounds though... well... certainly a lot lighter than the 36" wega was.

No diff. I juast asold my A7217A early this year.

Great monitor but it was a monster, consumed a LOT of power, killed my eyes - 1920 or 2048@80-85Hz isn't too good - and made me tired after several hours, much more than an LCD. I used it together with m,y current 24" Dell 2405FPW and tthe Dell was much better for health, for my eyes, let alone my ConEd bills.

Great monitor but its time has passed, I believe (unless you need a 24" or bigger one, calibrated color precisity).

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
How would I best configure this screen to work with my 360?

Use the VGA input. It supports 1080p and even above, so your X360 will never 'grow out' this guy.

 

[Noema]

Go die in a fire or something :frown:

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


Great monitor but it was a monster, consumed a LOT of power, killed my eyes - 1920 or 2048@80-85Hz isn't too good - and made me tired after several hours, much more than an LCD. I used it together with m,y current 24" Dell 2405FPW and tthe Dell was much better for health, for my eyes, let alone my ConEd bills.

Great monitor but its time has passed, I believe (unless you need a 24" or bigger one, calibrated color precisity).

Nonsense if you're a gamer ..the 2405FPW suffers from deal breaking input lag ,poor viewing angles and you're stuck at its native 1920x1200 for gaming. Pass

Power consumption on CRTs is overated ,you wouldnt actually notice any substantial differance on your power bill from month to month thats for sure.

1920x1200 @ 98hz is the recommended res for this monitor but being a CRT you can run it at whatever res you want without worry of image degration. "1920x2048" is not a resolution used by this monitor ..or any for that matter, but 2304x1440@80hz is its max setting.

I guess it depends on the person but ive never had eyestrain issues with my CRTs as long as I run at least 85hz.

 

[NKSRoadKill]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


Great monitor but it was a monster, consumed a LOT of power, killed my eyes - 1920 or 2048@80-85Hz isn't too good - and made me tired after several hours, much more than an LCD. I used it together with m,y current 24" Dell 2405FPW and tthe Dell was much better for health, for my eyes, let alone my ConEd bills.

Great monitor but its time has passed, I believe (unless you need a 24" or bigger one, calibrated color precisity).

Nonsense if you're a gamer ..the 2405FPW suffers from deal breaking input lag ,poor viewing angles and you're stuck at its native 1920x1200 for gaming. Pass

Power consumption on CRTs is overated ,you wouldnt actually notice any substantial differance on your power bill from month to month thats for sure.

1920x1200 @ 98hz is the recommended res for this monitor but being a CRT you can run it at whatever res you want without worry of image degration. "1920x2048" is not a resolution used by this monitor ..or any for that matter, but 2304x1440@80hz is its max setting.

I guess it depends on the person but ive never had eyestrain issues with my CRTs as long as I run at least 85hz.

i've never had eye strain fron crt's either and i've been a aerospace ecad designer for over 24 years and playing computer games for longer.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


Great monitor but it was a monster, consumed a LOT of power, killed my eyes - 1920 or 2048@80-85Hz isn't too good - and made me tired after several hours, much more than an LCD. I used it together with m,y current 24" Dell 2405FPW and tthe Dell was much better for health, for my eyes, let alone my ConEd bills.

Great monitor but its time has passed, I believe (unless you need a 24" or bigger one, calibrated color precisity).

Nonsense if you're a gamer ..the 2405FPW suffers from deal breaking input lag ,

... which is not true at all, I always laighed on those threads. :disgust:
FYI: I happily beat the ****** out of you in UT2k4 anytime.

poor viewing angles

Umm since when anybody plays outside of, say 90-120 degrees? Because within that range there's no difference between the two - you have to want to play from the side of your CRT to be able to overcome the 2405FPW...

I can tell you never had the 2405FPW side-by-side to this 24" CRT like I had them for a year.

and you're stuck at its native 1920x1200 for gaming. Pass

Jees, another nice one. Who's telling you these funny things...? Why would I be?

Power consumption on CRTs is overated ,you wouldnt actually notice any substantial differance on your power bill from month to month thats for sure.

Now this is quite an obvious BS, frankly. Do you actually have these monitor, including the Dell one or only the CRT or even that only exists in your sig? I had this monitor (HP A7217A) for 3 years or so, my friend and I DID notice when I sold it.

You're either already paying several hundreds for electricity or you are just a weekend gamer - this 24" CRT consumes somewhere between 100-200W when it's on. Compare it to my 24" LCD's ~60W load consumption. Numbers are telling, no matter you don't like them.

1920x1200 @ 98hz is the recommended res for this monitor but being a CRT you can run it at whatever res you want without worry of image degration. "1920x2048" is not a resolution used by this monitor ..or any for that matter, but 2304x1440@80hz is its max setting.

None of the half dozen (both Sony and HP) I've ever seen was 100% sharp at resolutions over 2048.
This CRT is actually designed for 1920x1200 otherwise its sharpness won't be any better than an LCD but rather worse. Colorwise always better but that's a niche requirement.

I guess it depends on the person but ive never had eyestrain issues with my CRTs as long as I run at least 85hz.

Raising the tube size/resolution you have to raise the refresh rate if you want to avoid flickering. 85Hz is not really ideal from 1920 and up - in fact it's maybe "OK" at 1600/1920 but certainly not ideal.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: NKSRoadKill

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


Great monitor but it was a monster, consumed a LOT of power, killed my eyes - 1920 or 2048@80-85Hz isn't too good - and made me tired after several hours, much more than an LCD. I used it together with m,y current 24" Dell 2405FPW and tthe Dell was much better for health, for my eyes, let alone my ConEd bills.

Great monitor but its time has passed, I believe (unless you need a 24" or bigger one, calibrated color precisity).

Nonsense if you're a gamer ..the 2405FPW suffers from deal breaking input lag ,poor viewing angles and you're stuck at its native 1920x1200 for gaming. Pass

Power consumption on CRTs is overated ,you wouldnt actually notice any substantial differance on your power bill from month to month thats for sure.

1920x1200 @ 98hz is the recommended res for this monitor but being a CRT you can run it at whatever res you want without worry of image degration. "1920x2048" is not a resolution used by this monitor ..or any for that matter, but 2304x1440@80hz is its max setting.

I guess it depends on the person but ive never had eyestrain issues with my CRTs as long as I run at least 85hz.

i've never had eye strain fron crt's either and i've been a aerospace ecad designer for over 24 years

About one-third of my bigger family are CAD engs - including my brother - and *everybody* always complained about CRTs.
BTW my CAD eng/designer friends all have eyeglasses.

and playing computer games for longer.

Tsk tsk tsk... and what did you play in the seventies for long hours?

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

All LCDs, with the exception of the VX922 and 70/90GX2 will ghost/blur noticeably. You also can't scale resolutions nicely. Those are the two big downsides to LCDs. Some people get headaches more often with LCDs than CRTs because of excessive brightness and are less affected by refresh rates.

CRTs don't have perfect geometry, and the picture gets blurrier at higher resolutions/refresh rates. They're also bulky and use more power.

Neither of these technologies is perfect, not even close. It all depends on what one's personal preference is. There are no absolutes - each individual has their own personal likes and dislikes and doesn't have to fvcking conform to someone else's view of what's right/wrong/best/worst.

SEDs/OLEDs are closer to perfect, but unfortunately don't seem to be coming anytime soon.

 

[JRW]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: JRW

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello


Great monitor but it was a monster, consumed a LOT of power, killed my eyes - 1920 or 2048@80-85Hz isn't too good - and made me tired after several hours, much more than an LCD. I used it together with m,y current 24" Dell 2405FPW and tthe Dell was much better for health, for my eyes, let alone my ConEd bills.


Great monitor but its time has passed, I believe (unless you need a 24" or bigger one, calibrated color precisity).

Nonsense if you're a gamer ..the 2405FPW suffers from deal breaking input lag ,

... which is not true at all, I always laighed on those threads. :disgust:
FYI: I happily beat the ****** out of you in UT2k4 anytime.

poor viewing angles

Umm since when anybody plays outside of, say 90-120 degrees? Because within that range there's no difference between the two - you have to want to play from the side of your CRT to be able to overcome the 2405FPW...

I can tell you never had the 2405FPW side-by-side to this 24" CRT like I had them for a year.

and you're stuck at its native 1920x1200 for gaming. Pass

Jees, another nice one. Who's telling you these funny things...? Why would I be?

Power consumption on CRTs is overated ,you wouldnt actually notice any substantial differance on your power bill from month to month thats for sure.

Now this is quite an obvious BS, frankly. Do you actually have these monitor, including the Dell one or only the CRT or even that only exists in your sig? I had this monitor (HP A7217A) for 3 years or so, my friend and I DID notice when I sold it.

You're either already paying several hundreds for electricity or you are just a weekend gamer - this 24" CRT consumes somewhere between 100-200W when it's on. Compare it to my 24" LCD's ~60W load consumption. Numbers are telling, no matter you don't like them.

1920x1200 @ 98hz is the recommended res for this monitor but being a CRT you can run it at whatever res you want without worry of image degration. "1920x2048" is not a resolution used by this monitor ..or any for that matter, but 2304x1440@80hz is its max setting.

None of the half dozen (both Sony and HP) I've ever seen was 100% sharp at resolutions over 2048.
This CRT is actually designed for 1920x1200 otherwise its sharpness won't be any better than an LCD but rather worse. Colorwise always better but that's a niche requirement.

I guess it depends on the person but ive never had eyestrain issues with my CRTs as long as I run at least 85hz.

Raising the tube size/resolution you have to raise the refresh rate if you want to avoid flickering. 85Hz is not really ideal from 1920 and up - in fact it's maybe "OK" at 1600/1920 but certainly not ideal.

You're not going to convience me any differantely , I guess it would've helped if I mentioned ive already owned and compared a 2001FP and 2405FPW next to my G520P & FW900 CRT's , Long story short I returned the LCDs .. And if you think the 2405FPW doesnt suffer from input lag you're in denial.. this doesnt mean you cant play games online but you ARE playing with an additional 20-30ms added to your ping.

Unless my UPS is lying to me my FW900 only consumes 90W when its on, If I were to run it at its max contrast setting and stare at a pure white screen all day then it would hit its maximum power load I suppose.

Viewing angles on the 2405fpw required me to look straight at the screen ,any slight head shift would start showing color changes on the screen ..if you're trying to tell me you dont see this ...again ... denial

 

[NKSRoadKill]

Originally posted by: T2k


Tsk tsk tsk... and what did you play in the seventies for long hours?

hmm some thing wrong with your math?
first computers i played on where pong, then trs80's then c64's then a 10mhz at then a 386sx, then a 386 then a 486 then a ppro then a p3 650 then a p4 1.8 then a xp2800
and now i play whats in my sig.
and i also used to play on my friends apple 2e green screen.
like i said if crt's give you problems then your eye's already have problems.

 

[Sonikku]

For reasons that would take too long to explain I must say CRT Tubes, like my Sony FW900 are superior to LCD's. Don't question it, just nod.

Thank you.