24 yr old Earns 140k/yr Welding

z1ggy

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More kids should be doing this, instead of burying themselves in debt by attending four year schools and getting useless degrees. Granted, this kid is working tons of hours, he basically has no debt and after a few years can switch to a job that is less time demanding, and be sitting pretty.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/140-000-welding-job-193900082.html

HOUSTON—Justin Friend’s parents have doctoral degrees and have worked as university lecturers and researchers. So Mr. Friend might have been expected to head for a university after graduating from high school in Bryan, Texas, five years ago.

Instead, he attended Texas State Technical College in Waco, and received a two-year degree in welding. In 2013, his first full year as a welder, his income was about $130,000, more than triple the average annual wages for welders in the U.S. In 2014, Mr. Friend’s income rose to about $140,000.

That has allowed the 24-year-old to buy a $53,000 Ford F-250 pickup truck, invest in mutual funds and dabble in his hobbies, such as making jet engines, including one he attached to a golf cart.

“Not everybody needs a four-year college degree,” said Kathryn Vaughan, his mother, a retired biology lecturer who spent part of her career at Texas A&M University.

The risks of a mismatch between costly university degrees and job opportunities have become clearer in recent years. Anthony Carnevale, director of the Center on Education and the Workforce at Georgetown University, said nearly a third of people aged 22 through 26 with a Bachelor of Arts degree either don’t have a job or are working at one that doesn’t require a university degree. The numbers are similar for young people with vocational degrees, but those lower-cost degrees don’t typically lead to heavy debts.

Eric Kayne for The Wall Street Journal Justin Friend usually is working about 72 hours per week, making $25 in regular wages and significant overtime pay for nights and weekends.

Student loan debt outstanding in the U.S. totaled $1.13 trillion as of Sept. 30, up by $100 billion from a year earlier, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. (Mr. Friend has no debts.)

High school counselors, who once almost automatically steered smart kids toward four-year colleges, now are more aware of the job opportunities for those with technical skills, said Steve Schneider, a counselor in Sheboygan, Wis. “The battle continues to be convincing the parents,” he said. “That gets easier when we start talking about money.”

Demand for welders has been strong in Texas for the past few years, largely because of booming energy-related industries. Some of that demand is expected to decline in the near-term as lower oil prices reduce exploration. Meanwhile, the number of qualified welders should rise. Schools in the Texas State Technical College network had 732 students enrolled in welding programs in the fall 2014 semester, up about 70% from three years earlier. For now, the college says most of its welding students secure jobs before they graduate.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates there will be 378,200 U.S. jobs for welders in 2022, up just 6% from the 2012 level. That falls below the projected 11% growth for all types of jobs. Many welding jobs in the auto industry have been eliminated over the years by robots. But welders with advanced skills and experience can do very well, as Mr. Friend has found.

When he graduated from Texas State Technical College in 2012, Mr. Friend quickly found a job at Acute Technological Services, a Houston-based unit of Oil States International Inc. Acute, which employs about 70 welders, mostly does work for the energy industry. Mr. Friend is usually dispatched to a plant that makes subsea oil-production equipment.

In 2013, Acute sent Mr. Friend to work for a month on an oil project in Ghana, where he found time to visit beaches and villages and buy a carved fish. “It was a blast,” he said.

Mr. Friend, who is single, typically works 72 hours a week, usually including at least one day of the weekend, often on an overnight shift. His base pay is more than $25 an hour, up from about $22 when he started in 2012. He gets overtime after 40 hours a week. Pay is doubled on Sundays and tripled on holidays. He receives health insurance, a 401k retirement plan and paid vacation.

With little free time, expenses are low. He rents a one-bedroom apartment for $1,080 a month in a building with a pool and gym. To stay in shape for mountain-climbing trips, he sometimes runs up and down steps wearing a weighted backpack.

He showed an early inclination to make things. “At three years old, he was using a screwdriver and a hacksaw skillfully,” said Dr. Vaughan, his mother. Later, dyslexia made writing and math a struggle for him.

In junior high school, he took a course in welding. Within a few years, he was earning money repairing fences and doing other welding jobs for neighbors.

A documentary on World War II stirred Mr. Friend’s interest in pulse jet engines, which were used by Germany to propel bombs. He and his father, Ted Friend, a professor of animal science at Texas A&M, together built such an engine. “We used a leaf blower to start it,” pumping in air needed to ignite the engine, the younger Mr. Friend said. “It ran on propane.” When he attached the engine to a golf cart, he said, the vehicle proved difficult to steer after reaching 30 miles an hour.

“Mom didn’t like it,” he said. “She thought I was going to blow myself up.” One of his goals is to put a jet engine on a motorcycle, he says, adding: “I’d try to make it as safe as I could.”

On a recent day, while country music played on a colleague’s radio, Mr. Friend used gas tungsten arc welding techniques to attach two steel parts destined for an oil apparatus. Wearing a T-shirt and Wrangler jeans, he hunched over work requiring the precision of a jewelry maker. After welding, he buffed the part with a wire brush. Colleagues would later X-ray the part to make sure the weld was flawless.

The long hours mean “it’s hard to have a life,” Mr. Friend said. Eventually, he said he may pursue an advanced degree in metallurgy and research welding materials and techniques. For now, he’s building up his savings.
 

Black Octagon

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Good for him, though I personally wouln't want to be working that much in my 20s.

It seems to me that this phenomenon exists across the Western world. We're brought up with the message drummed into us that we must do well in school so that we can get into college and then get a white-collar job. Many decades ago, when only the elite went to college, a degree opened up all sorts of doors. Now everyone seemingly has one (or two, or three) and it's more a prerequisite for certain job markets, rather than something that gets you ahead. That seems to be the message for everyone, regardless of whether your skills are well-suited to university and office life.

Meanwhile, the ever-shrinking percentage of our citizenry who are still willing to get their hands dirty are making ever more money as welders, plumbers, electricians and so on. There are less and less of them, and more and more of us who are too proud to do things ourselves. So they can justifiably charge us more and more, and if they're willing to work serious hours like this kid, they can get very comfortable money-wise.
 

boomerang

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My ex BIL chose this path along with his best friend. They got certified (or however it is they term it) to weld oil and gas pipelines. Started out living in Colorado and traveling to sites and settled in Wyoming where he lives today. Along the way he accumulated enough to buy the company in partners with his best friend. The company was primarily building mining equipment on site at that point. Equipment that was too large when assembled to transport on roads.

He ended up with two airplanes, one suited for short trips and one for long so that he could visit job sites if needed. He and his partner sold the company for mega-millions maybe ten years ago. He was probably in his mid-forties at that time.

My sister had long since grown tired of his traveling and being away for a month at a time while he was still welding and divorced him. One of her many less than smart moves.
 
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Jimzz

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problem is jobs come and go. So he may work several years then hit a dry spell. Then many in those fields never plan long-term so they go bust faster and harder than others. Let alone the amount of time you have to put in and the health affects. Welding is not nice, esp if you do not use ALL the proper safety equipment.

Where I grew up there was a plant that paid well but every couple years they let people go due to slow times or lost contract. It never failed the week after that announcement boats, cars, motorcycles, and all the other toys went for sale in the paper as payment was due soon.

So its not as rosy as it sounds long-term for many and you have to move around a lot to keep good paying steady work. Like all things in life you have to give up something to get something else.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Meh, he has to work 72 hours a week to get that much. No thanks, but I do agree with the overall theme of the story -- that is, the trades can provide a good living for people.
 

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Meh, he has to work 72 hours a week to get that much. No thanks, but I do agree with the overall theme of the story -- that is, the trades can provide a good living for people.

72 hours x 52 weeks = 3,744 hours
130,000/3,744 hours = $34.72/hour on average (overtime is obviously in his overall pay)

Not bad. Straight time he's making around $29/hour. Still not that bad for a 24 year old. But, I agree, I wouldn't want to work 72 hours a week for that.
 
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Nograts

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Um. I'm going to invent a welding robot to replace those 300k plus jobs and become a gajillionairre.
 

highland145

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The long hours mean “it’s hard to have a life,”
True and they get to deal with the elements. Many just wouldn't do it. $38/hr for welders at Plant Vogtle.

Sisters step son cleared over $100K as an electrician at Kimberly Clark. He was 27 at the time. Pretty good $$ for S.C.
One of her many less than smart moves.
 
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A lot of people could make close to that working an average 72 hours per week. Nothing special. Id be making more than him if i did 72 hours a week. But i dont. Im not crazy lol
 

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You try welding for 70 hours a week for a year and see how your life turns outs 10 or 20 years down the road.... You may as well sell a kidney too.
 

z1ggy

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A lot of people could make close to that working an average 72 hours per week. Nothing special. Id be making more than him if i did 72 hours a week. But i dont. Im not crazy lol

Yeah but the key is, he doesn't have the debt. He is earning that kind of money with out being a slave to the banks for the first 10 years of his career. Plus, his base pay is fairly good for having only a 2 year certification/degree. How many people out there do you think make less than that with four year degrees, and have infinitely more debt? A lot.
 

Atreus21

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More kids should be doing this, instead of burying themselves in debt by attending four year schools and getting useless degrees. Granted, this kid is working tons of hours, he basically has no debt and after a few years can switch to a job that is less time demanding, and be sitting pretty.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/140-000-welding-job-193900082.html

I have a co-worker like this. Works in IT, yes, but also owns a bakery and several rental properties on the side. Not a day of higher education.

I think this is just more proof of what my dad has always told me: You should go to school for an education, to gain wisdom, not job training.
 

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Yeah well, I have a friend that is a welder and has been out of work for the past year. Its not all great out there for the trades, especially if you are still a journeyman. There isn't a repeatable and guaranteed path to success.
 

SP33Demon

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A couple things about this:
1) He'll be using that money to pay for his cancer treatment.
Welding and lung cancer in a pooled analysis of case-control studies.
Am J Epidemiol. 2013 Nov 15;178(10):1513-25. doi: 10.1093/aje/kwt201. Epub 2013 Sep 19.

Several epidemiologic studies have indicated an increased risk of lung cancer among welders. We used the SYNERGY project database to assess welding as a risk factor for developing lung cancer. The database includes data on 15,483 male lung cancer cases and 18,388 male controls from 16 studies in Europe, Canada, China, and New Zealand conducted between 1985 and 2010. Odds ratios and 95% confidence intervals between regular or occasional welding and lung cancer were estimated, with adjustment for smoking, age, study center, and employment in other occupations associated with lung cancer risk. Overall, 568 cases and 427 controls had ever worked as welders and had an odds ratio of developing lung cancer of 1.44 (95% confidence interval: 1.25, 1.67) with the odds ratio increasing for longer duration of welding. In never and light smokers, the odds ratio was 1.96 (95% confidence interval: 1.37, 2.79). The odds ratios were somewhat higher for squamous and small cell lung cancers than for adenocarcinoma. Another 1,994 cases and 1,930 controls had ever worked in occupations with occasional welding. Work in any of these occupations was associated with some elevation of risk, though not as much as observed in regular welders. Our findings lend further support to the hypothesis that welding is associated with an increased risk of lung cancer.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24052544

2) They said he's paid a little more than $25/hr. That's what, 50K/year? He's only making six figures because of overtime and holiday pay. Is it higher pay than average for a 2 year degree? Probably, but let's not get caught up in the numbers too much. It is impressive that he's making 50K and doesn't have any debt at all.
 

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This is great - a combination of dedication and good luck (as Subyman pointed out, not every welder is successful like this young man).
 

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Let's extract out the portion that's not anecdotal here:
more than triple the average annual wages for welders in the U.S. [...]

Some of that demand is expected to decline in the near-term as lower oil prices reduce exploration. Meanwhile, the number of qualified welders should rise. [...]

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates there will be 378,200 U.S. jobs for welders in 2022, up just 6% from the 2012 level. That falls below the projected 11% growth for all types of jobs. Many welding jobs in the auto industry have been eliminated over the years by robots. But welders with advanced skills and experience can do very well, as Mr. Friend has found.

So this particular fellow making 130K/year is at more than 3x the average welder income, meaning the average is around 40K/year - the median wage for US males is 43K/year.

Demand is declining, while qualified applicants are rising. The BLS is estimating future growth in welding at almost half the rate of all job growth, and it's a field currently being eaten into by automation.

I completely agree that skilled trades are a good fit for many people, and a lot of those in college belong there. However this article is painting a bed of roses where it's not really the case.

The average tradesperson will make a decent living (welders here seem to be at the overall median) but not huge money. In specific regions and specific times certain trades can be in high demand - my uncle is a wood framing carpenter, during good times he makes a lot, but when construction slows down he's calling around trying to get work. The overall average though is that most trades are growing at relatively slow rates, so if piles of people shunt into trade schools instead of colleges the supply will outstrip demand and wages will fall.

Finally having grown up in a working class family (stepdad is an auto painter, uncle is in construction, uncle in naval sandblasting and coatings, uncle as a plumber) those jobs have a price in quality of life, my stepdad's hands at 58 have joint wear similar to an 80 year old with degenerative arthritis due to years of running sanding blocks and squeezing paint gun triggers. My uncle in construction has serious disc problems in his back at 54, 25+ years (last 10 years he's been foreman level so less physical) of carrying 3 sheets of 3/4" plywood and 200lb engineered beams around put a lot of strain on a body.

I'm not suggesting the trades are not a good career choice - they definitely are. But they're not nearly as rosy as this article wants to make out. End of the day there is no free lunch.
 

highland145

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End of the day there is no free lunch
True but the trades beats the hell out of an art appreciation degree for $100K.

Plumbing has made my bro a lot of $$ but he's driven like no one I know. I didn't get that trait.
 

boomerang

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Yeah well, I have a friend that is a welder and has been out of work for the past year. Its not all great out there for the trades, especially if you are still a journeyman. There isn't a repeatable and guaranteed path to success.
Location, location, location.
 

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Meh, he has to work 72 hours a week to get that much. No thanks, but I do agree with the overall theme of the story -- that is, the trades can provide a good living for people.

I worked 12.5 hours a day for the last 4 weeks (except Christmas day) working on a emergency outage, my overtime on my checks for that time frame was just a little over $8,700. Not a bad way to finish out last year/start out this year. I used to work like this quite often when I was a field service rep and had several $150k + years (2007 - $183K) thankfully it only once ever 2 or so years now as it sure wears one in their mid 50's down in a couple of weeks.
 

mizzou

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I can't imagine working 72 hours a week consistently. That must be so exhausting.

40 is where it's at! I like to throw in 10-20 hours overtime each month though....
 

Brovane

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Meh, he has to work 72 hours a week to get that much. No thanks, but I do agree with the overall theme of the story -- that is, the trades can provide a good living for people.

Yeah because it is better to get a College Degree and then get to work a Salary Job were you get to work unpaid OT?
 
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