2400+ 2500+ 2600+ Mobile Bartons back @ newegg

[Dantzig]

What kind of PS are you using? and what kind of multiplier?

My power supply is the quiet version of the Antec TruePower 380w that came with my Sonata. FSB = 200MHz DDR. Multiplier at 2200MHz = 11, 2400MHz = 12, 2500MHz = 12.5, etc. I haven't had time to tweak the FSB speed or do anything else.

 

[WallyKid]

Originally posted by: Dantzig

What kind of PS are you using? and what kind of multiplier?

My power supply is the quiet version of the Antec TruePower 380w that came with my Sonata. FSB = 200MHz DDR. Multiplier at 2200MHz = 11, 2400MHz = 12, 2500MHz = 12.5, etc. I haven't had time to tweak the FSB speed or do anything else.

I believe my Highpower is getting week. I need 1.7v to boot 11X200. Thanks for the reply.

 

[skeptic]

Man, the price on the 2600 is down to $104. I should have just waited another day (jumped on it at 108). You think if I called them up they would give me $4 bucks back LOL (has not arrived yet).

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: WallyKid

Originally posted by: Dantzig

What kind of PS are you using? and what kind of multiplier?

My power supply is the quiet version of the Antec TruePower 380w that came with my Sonata. FSB = 200MHz DDR. Multiplier at 2200MHz = 11, 2400MHz = 12, 2500MHz = 12.5, etc. I haven't had time to tweak the FSB speed or do anything else.

I believe my Highpower is getting week. I need 1.7v to boot 11X200. Thanks for the reply.

"Usually" when the vcore drops as much as yours has, it's not the power supply that's the problem but rather the motherboard.

There's a simple test to see which it is, monitor the voltage levels on (whichever) rail the CPU uses power, For example a board with an ATX 12V 4-pin connector is using 12V for CPU power, or a board without that connector is using 5V for CPU power. Monitor that voltage rail on the power supply... if it doesn't dip a lot, say more than 5%, it's most likely the motherboard.

Edit: By "monitor" it I mean that it MUST have voltage readings taken at a connector, the motherboard's own voltage monitor readings cannot be used else you're not differentiating between a board vs psu problem.

Then again, your Highpower 340W is a decent power supply, but really not suited to powering both this o'c CPU and (a higher-end video card or a ton of HDDs, depending on which rail the CPU draws from).

 

[Drizzy]

walleykid I would suggest burning in your setup. Choose a point that you know is stable and run Prime for 24 hours or something and then slowly creep up. Each time give it a decent burn in period and see if you cant get more. I am still having stability issues going above 2400... Is it strange that when I set my vcore to 1.825 it shows up as 1.76 - 1.74? Seems kinda fvcked up to me...?

 

[Northland]

L12 mod solved the problem completely! Now running prime95 stable at 2.4 Mhz (200 FSB X 12 Multi).

So if you have a "picky" board, the L12 mod may be just the ticket.

Will test higher FSB's over the weekend.

Northland

Originally posted by: Northland
I'm in the process of building an NF7-S v2 with a mobile 2400 and have run into an odd problem. Even though I am running PC3200 ram, I can't seem to raise the FSB above 167. I have tried PC2700, PC3000 and PC3200 ram and none will go over 167 no matter how much voltage I feed in. Do you think I need to do the L12 mod so that the board senses the chip as 200 FSB? Or am I doing something stupid? BTW - I can do 2333 @ 1.75V with a FSB of 166 and a multi of 14! Not sure how far it can go yet . . . Northland

 

[WallyKid]

Originally posted by: mindless1

Originally posted by: WallyKid

Originally posted by: Dantzig

What kind of PS are you using? and what kind of multiplier?

My power supply is the quiet version of the Antec TruePower 380w that came with my Sonata. FSB = 200MHz DDR. Multiplier at 2200MHz = 11, 2400MHz = 12, 2500MHz = 12.5, etc. I haven't had time to tweak the FSB speed or do anything else.

I believe my Highpower is getting week. I need 1.7v to boot 11X200. Thanks for the reply.

"Usually" when the vcore drops as much as yours has, it's not the power supply that's the problem but rather the motherboard.

There's a simple test to see which it is, monitor the voltage levels on (whichever) rail the CPU uses power, For example a board with an ATX 12V 4-pin connector is using 12V for CPU power, or a board without that connector is using 5V for CPU power. Monitor that voltage rail on the power supply... if it doesn't dip a lot, say more than 5%, it's most likely the motherboard.

Edit: By "monitor" it I mean that it MUST have voltage readings taken at a connector, the motherboard's own voltage monitor readings cannot be used else you're not differentiating between a board vs psu problem.

Then again, your Highpower 340W is a decent power supply, but really not suited to powering both this o'c CPU and (a higher-end video card or a ton of HDDs, depending on which rail the CPU draws from).

My power supply does have a 4pin 12v connector and it is right beside the regular connector. When you say 5%, i assume you are saying 5/100 * 12. The 12v rail drops to 11.86 after i start prime. And this is only at 11X200. And still it failed after 9 mins. And vcore droped from 1.7 to 1.63. Which 5 percent would have been 1.615. I'm kind of stuck, i'm not sure what it is. Please let me know what you think. I really hate to think its the motherboard.

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: WallyKidMy power supply does have a 4pin 12v connector and it is right beside the regular connector. When you say 5%, i assume you are saying 5/100 * 12. The 12v rail drops to 11.86 after i start prime. And this is only at 11X200. And still it failed after 9 mins. And vcore droped from 1.7 to 1.63. Which 5 percent would have been 1.615. I'm kind of stuck, i'm not sure what it is. Please let me know what you think. I really hate to think its the motherboard.

The 5% is a rough figure (and yes, 5/100 * V = 5% of V) but nonetheless I already let you know what I thought. Reread what I wrote... I did not write about a 4 pin connector on your power supply. I did not search for which motherboard you have, did not positively ID it so you have to determine yourself if the board uses 12V or 5V for CPU... I gave a hint about how to do that based on the 4-pin connector (or lack of).

I did not write about checking 5% of the vcore. I could've been more clear about the test, that you need to use a voltage/multimeter to check the power supply output on a power supply connector. If the motherboard voltage is dropping but the voltage levels at the power supply connectors aren't, the problem is the motherboard. This is a basic important test unless you want to gamble on which part is the problem, though there's still an fair chance your particular CPU just won't go much higher regardless.

 

[toant103]

highest i got out of my xp2400 mobile is 2400Mhz at 1.7 vcore. My stupid gigabyte board will only let me increase the juice by 10%

 

[WallyKid]

Originally posted by: toant103
highest i got out of my xp2400 mobile is 2400Mhz at 1.7 vcore. My stupid gigabyte board will only let me increase the juice by 10%

Consider yourself lucky...i don't really know why, but my max currently is at 2.3 ghz unstable at prime. I think it is the powersupply, because i went to get a 430 trupower, that makes it a little more stable than my highpower 340w. Since the 430w true power isn't really doing a whole lot better, i will be returning it, and i just bought a fortron source 530w power supply. I hope this will help me get to 2.4 at 1.85vcore. What powersupply are you guys using? It seems like everyone is getting to at least 2.4 except for me.

 

[tchinhe]

I wonder how well will my enermax 330w do..... hahaha.......... I bite the bullet and went ahead and placed the order. I never had good luck with overclocking..... evne in the days of the celery 400 processor. was never able to bring it up to 100FSB. 1st generation athlon did not have much luck either. so what is the default mhz of the 2400+? I read some post saying that it is close to 2ghz so 2.4ghz is not that much more. I can't find anything on amd's website. I hate this XP + thing.

edit:

I answered my question when I look at the first post again.... 2400+ is 1.8ghz....... summer is coming maybe I can underclock this thing on a hot day..... 1600+ I have now is pretty hot.

Will the Alpha heatsink be enough for the 2400+?

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: tchinhe

Will the Alpha heatsink be enough for the 2400+?

Well an 8045 is better than most of the air-cooled 'sinks mentioned in this thread, but if your summer ambient temps are atypically high you'll have to see for yourself. It's definitely a notch below the likes of a Thermalright SLK9xx, almost as good as a SLK800 depending on the fan. I have one running a T'Bred (or is it a Thornton, was one of those special XP1700s that SVC was selling last year) @ 2.3GHz, 1.7V. It'll go higher with the 8045 but I used a voltage-reduced, nearly silent 92mm fan on it with a custom-fab'd adapter... with the stock Delta fan it was more than adequate but much louder than I'd accept. Basically I like runnning CPUs as fast as possible while still inaudible.

 

[Showtime]

I have a question about real performance.
The 2500 mobile chip is around $100. The DFI lan party is $14x. So about $260 + shipping for me from New Egg for the best ocing AMD combo available IMO.
A P4 C chip and an Abit ic7 ($100) would cost me about $30 more depending on the vendor. 2.8c's are good for around 3.5 ghz. 2500 Mobiles are good for around 2.5ghz. At those speeds which combo performs better at gaming and video playback etc. I've read that AMD's rated at 2600 etc perform a little worse than HT P4's at 2.6ghz etc. so Im not looking at what AMD would call it a 3700 or something. I'm looking for 2.5ghz vs 3.5ghz. AMD or Intel.
I've generally had good luck ocing older pentium 4's (1.6a @2.3+, 1.8a@2.7), but the AMD combo is cheaper.
I plan to use the following:
-Silent stream for cooling or my old TT900 hsf so temps shouldn't be an issue.
-Antec 1030 B modded case with 6 80mm fans.
-2 sticks of 256 SS 3200 DDR or maybe some new better ram.
-9700 np or if that amazon deal comes thru... 9800pro 256.
-430 Antec true ps
-Couple 80 gig 7200s or some raptors if prices contiune to fall.

TIA

-show

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: toant103
highest i got out of my xp2400 mobile is 2400Mhz at 1.7 vcore. My stupid gigabyte board will only let me increase the juice by 10%

I agree with WallyKid... "consider yourself lucky"

it looks like most people need 1.8V to get to 2400MHz

 

[lazarus000]

Well just got my today and i'm not have near the luck of some of the others.

my desktop barton ran 205 fsb/2.2ghz rock solid easily on this rig ... this 2400+ can't break 190fsb/1.8 so far.



so far i've only had voltage to 1.7 though and tried to overclock straight outa the box


tomorrow i will let it burn in a little and up the volt a little bit


barring some miracle, i don't see how it's gonna do 2.4 though

 

[FriedRiceBob]

hrm.

i'm trying to decide if a 2400+ upgrade is right for me.
i have an epox 8k5a2 (KT333) and i'm currently running a 1600+ at 166fsb (1.75ghz, 2100+)
i'm running on a GC68 cheapo cooler, but it's got a good sunon fan (38 or 42cfm, i think?) on it

i dunno if i'll see that big a difference from 700 mhz (assuming i get to ~2400) and the greater cache. i suppose i would...

 

[bunnyfubbles]

depending upon what you do with you computer, 500MHz would be enough to make a night and day difference...and the extra cache is nice. I've jumped on and upgraded from a 1700+ to a 2400+...I'm definately seeing night and day difference...although I also upgraded my motherboard - ABIT KR7A (VIA KT266A) to an ABIT NF7-S (nForce2) - and that certainly helped with the performance boost.

 

[ShinSa]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
depending upon what you do with you computer, 500MHz would be enough to make a night and day difference...and the extra cache is nice. I've jumped on and upgraded from a 1700+ to a 2400+...I'm definately seeing night and day difference...although I also upgraded my motherboard - ABIT KR7A (VIA KT266A) to an ABIT NF7-S (nForce2) - and that certainly helped with the performance boost.

I'm currently running an AGOIA XP1600+ with a Kr7A @ 152FSB, and thinking of doing the XP2400+ and NF7S upgrade.
Was your 1700+ overclocked at all?

I think my Infineon Ram is holding me back from going higerer.

 

[cownipples]

I recieved my 2500 mobile chip yesterday and got it running stable on a nf7 at 1.8 volts at 12.5 x 210= 2600mhz running 3dmark 8 hours straight and prime stable for 4 hours. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones my ram is kingston hyper xpc3200 timmings are 2.2.2.5

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: cownipples
I recieved my 2500 mobile chip yesterday and got it running stable on a nf7 at 1.8 volts at 12.5 x 210= 2600mhz running 3dmark 8 hours straight and prime stable for 4 hours. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones my ram is kingston hyper xpc3200 timmings are 2.2.2.5

Phat.

 

[WallyKid]

Originally posted by: cownipples
I recieved my 2500 mobile chip yesterday and got it running stable on a nf7 at 1.8 volts at 12.5 x 210= 2600mhz running 3dmark 8 hours straight and prime stable for 4 hours. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones my ram is kingston hyper xpc3200 timmings are 2.2.2.5

I am just curious, since 2600+ is only 6 dollars away, with much higher Clockspeed, why didn't most of the people who got 2500 get 2600? Is that because 2600 is less overclockable?

 

[Zim]

I am just curious, since 2600+ is only 6 dollars away, with much higher Clockspeed, why didn't most of the people who got 2500 get 2600? Is that because 2600 is less overclockable?[/quote] Six bucks is six bucks! Personally, I just wonder why people went for anything above the 2400+. They all seem to OC about the same.

On another issue...

I may be getting old and conservative, but I'd like to ask the OC'ers here why they would push their chip to the edge of its performance. Apart from the bragging rights, there isn't a huge difference in real-world performance between 2.2GHz and 2.4GHz. Why spend big bucks on heatsinks and fans to run a chip on the edge of stability when you can pull back a little, save some cash, and have a fast stable system. Isn't that what's it's all about? Besides, come summer, you guys will most likely have to throttle back anyway to deal with the extra heat.

At the moment I'm getting a 3200+ cpu for 1/3 price (2400+ 11x @200FSB) with a cooler that cost me $10. If I was to spend $100 on extra case/cpu cooling just to squeeze an extra 10% out of the cpu it would defeat the whole purpose of overclocking... i.e. to save money. Remember, an Athlon XP 3200+ is only $200. And yes I know OC'ing is good fun and it's interesting, but it's crazy to get upset because you can only get your cpu to 2.2GHz. Relax and enjoy!

 

[ShinSa]

Originally posted by: Zim
I am just curious, since 2600+ is only 6 dollars away, with much higher Clockspeed, why didn't most of the people who got 2500 get 2600? Is that because 2600 is less overclockable?

Six bucks is six bucks! Personally, I just wonder why people went for anything above the 2400+. They all seem to OC about the same.

On another issue...

I may be getting old and conservative, but I'd like to ask the OC'ers here why they would push their chip to the edge of its performance. Apart from the bragging rights, there isn't a huge difference in real-world performance between 2.2GHz and 2.4GHz. Why spend big bucks on heatsinks and fans to run a chip on the edge of stability when you can pull back a little, save some cash, and have a fast stable system. Isn't that what's it's all about? Besides, come summer, you guys will most likely have to throttle back anyway to deal with the extra heat.

At the moment I'm getting a 3200+ cpu for 1/3 price (2400+ 11x @200FSB) with a cooler that cost me $10. If I was to spend $100 on extra case/cpu cooling just to squeeze an extra 10% out of the cpu it would defeat the whole purpose of overclocking... i.e. to save money. Remember, an Athlon XP 3200+ is only $200. And yes I know OC'ing is good fun and it's interesting, but it's crazy to get upset because you can only get your cpu to 2.2GHz. Relax and enjoy![/quote]


I totally agree with you. Generally speaking people look for unlocked chips in order to lower their multiplier and increase the FSB. Assuming that all mobile chips lie with the CPU manufacturing theory, XP2400+ should reach higher FSB than the rest.

I've always chose GC68 which cost 5 bux over $40 heatsinks and still managed decent FSB.

 

[toant103]

Originally posted by: edplayer

Originally posted by: toant103
highest i got out of my xp2400 mobile is 2400Mhz at 1.7 vcore. My stupid gigabyte board will only let me increase the juice by 10%

I agree with WallyKid... "consider yourself lucky"

it looks like most people need 1.8V to get to 2400MHz

but it won't run 3dmarks2003.

does anyone know how to increase vcore to 1.85 for gigabyte ga-7n400 pro2?

the board will only let me do 10% increase for the vcore

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: ShinSa
I totally agree with you. Generally speaking people look for unlocked chips in order to lower their multiplier and increase the FSB. Assuming that all mobile chips lie with the CPU manufacturing theory, XP2400+ should reach higher FSB than the rest.

how do you figure a 2400+ can get to a higher FSB than any other Athlon?