25,000 U.S. troops headed to gulf

[JellyBaby]

And the entire middle east will better because of it.

Didn't OBL claim the U.S. would be better after he forces us to Islam? Sometimes the best policy is to mind one's own business.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It's about time. We Americans Fight each other about the war more than the troops on the ground will have to fight. Two weeks tops. Saddam will be in Switerland or Saudi or dead (LOL) then we have some election and be there about 5 years reforming thier ways at thier expense (oil). Not a bad deal all in all.

Heh....

We may as well just claim the entire Persian Gulf ours.

Well I doubt that will happen. Iraq Iran maybe since they have a good history of secularism and democracy which helps us a lot in occupation and conversion to western ideals since they have basically been there before. SA and the other terrorists countries are still the main problem and like with palestine they won't give in to force.

One thing I think is good this will break the already weekend back of the OPEC cartel. Look for oil at $10 a barrel again. The SA royal family must sell to maintain their decadent lifestyles and keep thier people from a revolution.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It's about time. We Americans Fight each other about the war more than the troops on the ground will have to fight. Two weeks tops. Saddam will be in Switerland or Saudi or dead (LOL) then we have some election and be there about 5 years reforming thier ways at thier expense (oil). Not a bad deal all in all.

And the entire middle east will better because of it.

Ah, Texas. Figures.

:|

 

[Moonbeam]

HappyPuppy, Where have you been? You can see that life is but a joke just by looking into the eyes of children. Sometimes you can start laughing histerically trying to explain to them why they and their parents have to die. The reasons, you see, are just so far above their heads. They can only really be understood by sophisticated people charged with real responsibility, tough people who know what they are doing.

And what's the matter with you, CFster, struggling to get up to speed? What part of reality are you having trouble with?

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

In response, on Saturday the Iraqi government scoffed at the preparations. ?Whoever dares to strike Iraq and its people will pay a high price,? the official Iraqi army newspaper, Al-Qadissiya, said in an editorial. ?The beating of war drums, the noise of weapons, the sending of warships, the mobilizing of armies will neither frighten nor terrorize the Iraqis.?

Hey, he's right - afterall the first time not a single iraqi surrendered and the allies lost thousands upon thousands of troops in the gulf war :Q

You're right. That's what it says in my daughters public school history book. It says that Saddam himself led his troops to glorious victory against the cowardly American invaders. He personally killed over 300 American soldiers with his bare hands while leading attacks against the entrenched enemy positions. The American troops broke and ran at every onslaught. Saddam became so distraught over the carnage that he called off his troops. They left behind food and medical supplies for the totally routed coalition forces. For this, he was re-elected by a 100% margin in the last free election.

 

[MSNY]

My 2 cents...

While we decide when to destroy Sadam I think we have a greater threat growing.

North Korea

They already have nukes ponted at our troops in SK. They are playing it smart.
Knowing that we are preoccupied with Traq they are now saber-rattleing. Even if Bush
has the will, and we invade Iraq and accomplish our mission there he could be in trouble
policically for not dealing with NK on the SAME basis. When Bush named them as part of the
"evil axis" I think he made a commitement right then and there. It will just be about 2 months
and they will build a lot more nukes. We have a lot more evidence that NK is a LOT more dangerous
then Iraq would or could be RIGHT NOW !

Sooner or later we WILL have to stop them. I think NK is now a lot more dangerous then
Iraq and we should take them out first.

 

[JellyBaby]

They can only really be understood by sophisticated people charged with real responsibility, tough people who know what they are doing.

Like George W. Bush!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: MSNY
My 2 cents...

While we decide when to destroy Sadam I think we have a greater threat growing.

North Korea

They already have nukes ponted at our troops in SK. They are playing it smart.
Knowing that we are preoccupied with Traq they are now saber-rattleing. Even if Bush
has the will, and we invade Iraq and accomplish our mission there he could be in trouble
policically for not dealing with NK on the SAME basis. When Bush named them as part of the
"evil axis" I think he made a commitement right then and there. It will just be about 2 months
and they will build a lot more nukes.

Sooner or later we WILL have to stop them. I think NK is now a lot more dangerous then
Iraq and we should take them out first.

!? You only attack those who you can easily beat up unless they attack you first. NK will jack us like vietnam, if we try them. They have dense follage, they have nukes. Sure we'd win but at to much cost of US lives so it's a no brainer to me. You sanction them and starve them and hope they don't attack first. It's too risky.

 

[monckywrench]

If we fight an urban-warfare style war with Iraq (which many experts are predicting), I hope you bought your stocks in the body bag market.

Such predictions (I regard them as eager wishful thinking from those who want us to lose enough troops to derail our regional policy) are based on the assumption that the Iraqis will have the ability to dictate the terms of engagement and thus use urban areas to advantage. It is not always necessary to occupy a city to neutralise it militarily, and our weapons systems are far more precise than in 1991. We have learned quite a bit since arrogantly sending light forces into Mogadishu without either adequate self-protection or fixed-wing air support.
Let's not forget how the Yugoslav problem was solved. We kicked in the door and, after things stabilised, the rest of our UN allies came in and worked out the occupation problems, at which job they are more skilled then the US. If we luck out Iraq (an artificial construct of the Ottoman breakup rather than a natural "country") will fragment into smaller, ethnic enclaves where Kurds, Shiites, and the like can form their own governments.
BTW, "body bags" are not what returning dead arrive in, though the alliteration sounds better than "aluminium caskets" which accounts for its popularity.

 

[MSNY]

It's too risky

Think of the risk if we don't act at all against NK.

Once they have a short range ICBM to mount a nuke onto they will
attack us. I have no doubt about this, they are a lot more crazy then
Sadam has ever been. We have troops in harms way NOW.

To claim we can deal with Iraq militarily and NOT Apply the same policy to NK
is a bit hypocrticial on our our part. We can bully the weak and not the strong.

It will take guts, but we will have to act against NK.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: PsychoAndy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It's about time. We Americans Fight each other about the war more than the troops on the ground will have to fight. Two weeks tops. Saddam will be in Switerland or Saudi or dead (LOL) then we have some election and be there about 5 years reforming thier ways at thier expense (oil). Not a bad deal all in all.

And the entire middle east will better because of it.

Ah, Texas. Figures.

Hey, watch it there PAB. If it wasn't for us Texans, this country would belong to Mexico.

 

[Moonbeam]

I hear N. Korea has some wonderful frozen tree bark you can eat. What do you bet we undertake a massive diplomatic effort to capture all that bark for the American market. All your tree bark are belong to us.

 

[monckywrench]

It will take guts, but we will have to act against NK

NK is a peninsula, not attached to anything vital. We can wait. Since the only way to rapidly overwhelm them is nuclear (a good reason to develop ground-penetrating atomic weapons) , continuing the policy of containment is wise. In fact, sanctioning them so the place implodes while pressing China to restrain them seems the ideal option.
It was always expected that if they came South we'd tac nuke them, which is probably why they developed their excellent strategy of blackmailing South Korea instead. This is more of same. Even if they launched we would still erase them, and we can't nuke preemptively without China coming unglued at us. I hope they jack up the tension enough to wake up the gullible people in South Korea, since most of them have forgotten the Korean War and think the North wants to unite with them in a mutual love-fest.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: monckywrench

If we fight an urban-warfare style war with Iraq (which many experts are predicting), I hope you bought your stocks in the body bag market.

Such predictions (I regard them as eager wishful thinking from those who want us to lose enough troops to derail our regional policy) are based on the assumption that the Iraqis will have the ability to dictate the terms of engagement and thus use urban areas to advantage. It is not always necessary to occupy a city to neutralise it militarily, and our weapons systems are far more precise than in 1991. We have learned quite a bit since arrogantly sending light forces into Mogadishu without either adequate self-protection or fixed-wing air support.
Let's not forget how the Yugoslav problem was solved. We kicked in the door and, after things stabilised, the rest of our UN allies came in and worked out the occupation problems, at which job they are more skilled then the US. If we luck out Iraq (an artificial construct of the Ottoman breakup rather than a natural "country") will fragment into smaller, ethnic enclaves where Kurds, Shiites, and the like can form their own governments.
BTW, "body bags" are not what returning dead arrive in, though the alliteration sounds better than "aluminium caskets" which accounts for its popularity.

Well said. Those predicting massive American casualties are really hoping for it. It ain't gonna happen!

 

[Gaard]

I strive to be able to read minds someday also.

BTW, what's your definition of 'massive'?

 

[MO0t]

Personally, I'm sick of this "war" which hasn't even started yet. I'm tired of floating out here in the middle of nowhere, pretending to be the world's police force. If we fix the saddam issue, I bet we'll continue to occupy Iraq for years to come. Too much money there to risk loosing it again. I'll be happy when this ship finally turns around and goes back to the states.

 

[Ime]

North Korea won't use nukes unless we use them first.

Obviously if I'm wrong and they DO use nukes, I say turn NK into glass. Or maybe we should just kill all the men, sell all the women into slavery, and plow salt into the ground. Oh wait, that's what the Roman's did! Maybe we shouldn't do that, then.

 

[Moonbeam]

I know it's very important that I keep blathering about how powerful we are because I'm down to my last clean pair of undies.


There is a very simple way for the American People, not the government to solve this problem. The Chinese are the power that can control N. Korea. We here in San Fran will doubtless start printing out dollar sized notices with a message that we will take to sales counters here. We will put one of our dollars besides a piece of made in China merchandice we leave at the sales counter. The bill will say that we plan to buy this item if and only if China solves the N Korea problem, and that until they do we will not buy anything made in China.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I know it's very important that I keep blathering about how powerful we are because I'm down to my last clean pair of undies.


There is a very simple way for the American People, not the government to solve this problem. The Chinese are the power that can control N. Korea. We here in San Fran will doubtless start printing out dollar sized notices with a message that we will take to sales counters here. We will put one of our dollars besides a piece of made in China merchandice we leave at the sales counter. The bill will say that we plan to buy this item if and only if China solves the N Korea problem, and that until they do we will not buy anything made in China.

Hell just froze over! I can agree with that suggestion, Moonbeam.

 

[Josh]

Are we bout to claim some ownag3 on saddam?

 

[Moonbeam]

We did that, Happy, when the Chinese wouldn't let our spy plane go. I hear it got attention.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I know it's very important that I keep blathering about how powerful we are because I'm down to my last clean pair of undies.


There is a very simple way for the American People, not the government to solve this problem. The Chinese are the power that can control N. Korea. We here in San Fran will doubtless start printing out dollar sized notices with a message that we will take to sales counters here. We will put one of our dollars besides a piece of made in China merchandice we leave at the sales counter. The bill will say that we plan to buy this item if and only if China solves the N Korea problem, and that until they do we will not buy anything made in China.

Hell just froze over! I can agree with that suggestion, Moonbeam.

Moonbeam does have a good idea.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's not my idea, I guess you know. It's from our wonderful KGO news talk radio where you can hear actual real life liberals and conservatives. Very refreshing.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's not my idea, I guess you know. It's from our wonderful KGO news talk radio where you can hear actual real life liberals and conservatives. Very refreshing.

Liberals on radio? What corporation fund such a thing. Where?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's not my idea, I guess you know. It's from our wonderful KGO news talk radio where you can hear actual real life liberals and conservatives. Very refreshing.

Liberals on radio? What corporation fund such a thing. Where?

There are pockets of them, fortunatly they are not too wide spread