2560x1440p/1600p @ 120Hz >>> 4k

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toyota

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with common sense settings even my dinky card can run any game at 4k. many games could even do 60 fps even without all low settings.
 
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cmdrdredd

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with common sense settings even my dinky card can run any game at 4k. many games could even do 60 fps even without all low settings.

Which is pointless. Why would you run medium @ 4k when you can run Ultra at 1440p and the game looks much better? That's what many are talking about.
 

toyota

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Which is pointless. Why would you run medium @ 4k when you can run Ultra at 1440p and the game looks much better? That's what many are talking about.
um that's got nothing to do what what i was saying. I was talking about that it will not be anywhere near 10 years before we can have gpus that can run 4k just fine.
 

Grooveriding

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I have NOT seen this, but the quality of this display compared to other displays is just sad. It's not that great of a display. Not all monitors are made equally (I saw this in a review for the 55 inch model?).

Also, 4K content is just lacking and the frame rates are barely playable.
I don't think OP is saying 4K tests are bad, it's just they shouldn't be the ONLY thing released. It gets ridiculous when companies "Leak" their 4K benchmarks as the only thing (AMD...). "Leak" something else lol.

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I have to agree on the OLED comment even more. LED is great man, but really, I need better blacks, and brighter whites. Just better CONTRAST ratio/display quality. OLED delivers that. 4K isn't as interesting as an even 1080p OLED display. With Bright blacks and dull whites, even if you had 8K running at 60FPS, a washed out image just won't cut it.



10 years away? Over exaggerating much? I'd say 2 years if we're LUCKY, 3 years standard, 4 years if we're pushing it.
With how fast 4K displays have been moving towards affordability I won't be too surprised if we see 2.5K USD 70 inch 4K tvs by 2015 Christmas Season.

Currently we're at 3.5K USD for a 55 inch Sony 4K HDTV.


The displays will get cheap, but I clearly was not discussing displays. The video card hardware is totally anemic right now for 4K.

I tried Titan SLI IN 4k and it was a shit show. Medium settings in BF3 less than 60fps most of the time and it looked like crap. Want to run high settings ? Try Metro Last Light no AA with high settings: 15-20fps. Crysis 3 .. same 20fps. Battlefield 3 the same.

Even in the best possible case scenario of a 100% performance increase on 20nm, which won't happen anyway as they are on record as stating TSMC 28nm to 20nm will be a smaller performance gain than 40nm to 28nm was. But just for the sake of it and getting twice the performance... you are still talking two top end GPUs to get 40fps add a third for 55 maybe. Give me a break and that is still dialling back settings. And 20nm cards are still a year off and will be around for over two years.

This all ignores games getting more demanding as time goes by.

10 years for GPUs to run today's games at 4K 120fps is optimistic if anything.
 

cmdrdredd

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um that's got nothing to do what what i was saying. I was talking about that it will not be anywhere near 10 years before we can have gpus that can run 4k just fine.

It is what you're talking about. Go 4k but only run medium settings (settings below console quality many times) cause you can't get playable framerates otherwise. I'm asking what the point is?

I doubt anyone in their right mind would choose 4k @ medium over 1440p @ Ultra in games with the same system given the choice. This doesn't account for any benefits of 4k on the desktop environment.
 
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toyota

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It is what you're talking about. Go 4k but only run medium settings (settings below console quality many times) cause you can't get playable framerates otherwise. I'm asking what the point is?

I doubt anyone in their right mind would choose 4k @ medium over 1440p @ Ultra in games with the same system given the choice. This doesn't account for any benefits of 4k on the desktop environment.
NO its not what I am talking about. if you cant figure it from what I just told you then i don't know what else to say.
 

cmdrdredd

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NO its not what I am talking about. if you cant figure it from what I just told you then i don't know what else to say.

You said "common sense settings" and "without all low settings" that says to me "Run below ultra and you can run 4k on low end hardware".

So if you're not willing to explain how I'm wrong and just want to claim it's not what you said when I quoted it, there's no point responding anymore.
 

toyota

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You said "common sense settings" and "without all low settings" that says to me "Run below ultra and you can run 4k on low end hardware".

So if you're not willing to explain how I'm wrong and just want to claim it's not what you said when I quoted it, there's no point responding anymore.
I just told you it was in response to acting like it would take 10 years for gpus to be to play at 4k at high frame rates. if my dinky gpu can already play every game out there most of which on medium or better settings then of course it will not take 10 years for top of the line gpus to play at 4k good enough.
 

HurleyBird

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For me it's going to depend on screen size. Less than 35" and I'll take the 2560x1600 120Hz screen. Over 35" and I'll take the 4K 60Hz display.
 

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I've used 120hz 1080p and my 60hz 1440p and I'll take the higher resolution any day. I haven't seen 4k in person but I'd imagine I'd pick the higher resolution over 120hz 1440p.


diminishing returns


1080p is a horrible resolution for a 27" monitor, 2560x1440p is fantastic. The oversized and VISIBLE pixels melt away on the screen at your desk. The retina display mac has even higher resolution and pixel density, but those stats are MEANINGLESS compared to the size advantage of the 27" panel for a desk.

For a really large tv, 4k will make a big difference in quality. But where are you all gaming on the pc? Your living room?

I play games on my computer desk, I am sitting a couple feet away, and I am perfectly happy with 1440p. I want better contrast refresh rates before higher res because at the screen sizes I am going to use on a desk, 1440p is plenty sharp.
 

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diminishing returns


1080p is a horrible resolution for a 27" monitor, 2560x1440p is fantastic. The oversized and VISIBLE pixels melt away on the screen at your desk. The retina display mac has even higher resolution and pixel density, but those stats are MEANINGLESS compared to the size advantage of the 27" panel for a desk.

For a really large tv, 4k will make a big difference in quality. But where are you all gaming on the pc? Your living room?

I play games on my computer desk, I am sitting a couple feet away, and I am perfectly happy with 1440p. I want better contrast refresh rates before higher res because at the screen sizes I am going to use on a desk, 1440p is plenty sharp.

For gaming you may be right about 1440p being plenty but for work purposes I'd love to have more pixels.
 

cmdrdredd

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diminishing returns


1080p is a horrible resolution for a 27" monitor, 2560x1440p is fantastic. The oversized and VISIBLE pixels melt away on the screen at your desk. The retina display mac has even higher resolution and pixel density, but those stats are MEANINGLESS compared to the size advantage of the 27" panel for a desk.

For a really large tv, 4k will make a big difference in quality. But where are you all gaming on the pc? Your living room?

I play games on my computer desk, I am sitting a couple feet away, and I am perfectly happy with 1440p. I want better contrast refresh rates before higher res because at the screen sizes I am going to use on a desk, 1440p is plenty sharp.

I would not mind playing some games on my 4k TV with a PS4 or XB1 controller plugged into my PC. Some games definitely benefit from a controller vs mouse/KB.
 

toyota

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I can barely see the text on my 1440P 27". Can't imagine a 4k resolution 27" display, I'd need a microscope.
I thought Windows 8.1 was going to have 200% dpi option that would perfectly double everything. I have not seen a single person test it or even mention it again though. maybe I will see if anything pops up on google.
 
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Absolutely OP

Games aren't even made for 4k at this time, so it is pointless. Let them get to 1440p first.

I would rock 1440p fast response lightboost 120 hz all day over 4k, any day
 

toyota

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Absolutely OP

Games aren't even made for 4k at this time, so it is pointless. Let them get to 1440p first.

I would rock 1440p fast response lightboost 120 hz all day over 4k, any day
lol you dont really make games for 4k. 4k is nothing more than a higher 16:9 resolution so nothing special has to be done to the game.
 

toyota

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lol think about playing the original DOOM at 4k and you will see the problem
and you can do that just fine by modding one file just like you had to for 1920x1080 but what does a 10 year old game have to do with your comment? you said games are not even being made for 4k and that makes no sense. any game that works at 1920x1080 will work just fine at 4k.
 
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and you can do that just fine by modding one file just like you had to for 1920x1080 but what does a 10 year old game have to do with your comment? you said games are not even being made for 4k and that makes no sense. any game that works at 1920x1080 will work just fine at 4k.

It is making no sense because you have no brains.

How does DOOM's graphics compare to BF4's? What if all we had to play were DOOM like games? Should I move to a 4k monitor?

Of course, hell no
 

toyota

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It is making no sense because you have no brains.

How does DOOM's graphics compare to BF4's? What if all we had to play were DOOM like games? Should I move to a 4k monitor?

Of course, hell no
yes clearly I am the one here with no brains. you don't even have the ability to see how stupid what you are saying actually is.
 

exar333

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4K look's amazing. If I could get a decent 32-36 display with 4k, I would spend 1.5k-2k in a heartbeat for 3x290x or 3x780 to run it.
 

Bateluer

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Which is pointless. Why would you run medium @ 4k when you can run Ultra at 1440p and the game looks much better? That's what many are talking about.

The point is that some people here have been claiming you need triple Titans or 7990s to game at 4K and that it'll be years before 4K gaming is realistically attainable. And thats blatantly false today, upper tier 20nm cards next year will be handling 4K pretty easily. Once pricing drops on 4K displays, 4K will become the new high end standard for PC gaming. Probably before the end of 2015.

Gonna suck to be a console gamer in 2016, still playing on 900p. :/
 

exar333

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The most exciting thing about 4k displays is being able to have more choices. Using a TV for a computer display has been a no-go for me because it is so crappy for text and other stuff. Unless you just watched movies/TV and gamed, 1080P on a 40+ inch display is terrible. As 4k displays start getting more affordable, a larger display is a definite option. You can always game in 1080P and then choose either 4k or 1080P content for videos. Desktop and text then can be appropriately displayed in 4k to allow for decent regular use as well. Win/Win.

Edit: And if you have the GPU horsepower, then gaming at 4k is possible too.
 

Aithos

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The point is that some people here have been claiming you need triple Titans or 7990s to game at 4K and that it'll be years before 4K gaming is realistically attainable. And thats blatantly false today, upper tier 20nm cards next year will be handling 4K pretty easily. Once pricing drops on 4K displays, 4K will become the new high end standard for PC gaming. Probably before the end of 2015.

Gonna suck to be a console gamer in 2016, still playing on 900p. :/

You realize that we've gone from 1920x1200 DOWN to 1920x1080 right? We don't even have a fraction of people playing on 120hz or 2650x1440, if you think suddenly 4k is going to be everywhere then you're just like people who claimed 3D TV was the next big thing. HINT: smart TV was a big thing, 3D is a joke and is only good for 120 fps capability on plasma screens (LCD are all garbage for TVs).

I agree it won't be 10 years until 4k is viable, but the problem isn't the resolution, it's the settings that make triple SLI Titans not viable currently. Who the hell needs to max all the fancy texture settings when you have 4x the pixels on the screen? A higher resolution at lower settings has ALWAYS been superior. How many of you would back down to 720p on ultra settings instead of 1080p at high? Didn't think so. You could run a "true" 4k screen (not a panel that is essentially two mashed together) at medium settings and it would blow away the picture quality of 1080p. Even 1440p -> 4K is a huge jump in resolution, but the difference on a smaller screen (say 27") is less drastic as it would be on a 32" or bigger.

With all that being said the fact is this: Most people have 24" monitors or smaller, some have 27" and very few have larger. Under 27" at a normal distance 4k is almost pointless because people will have a hard time distinguishing the difference. 120hz and being able to keep a consistently high framerate are FAR more important to overall experience in the long run. I agree that right now 1440p IPS panels natively at 120hz is the future and monitor companies would be missing a MAJOR opportunity to be first to market with a panel capable of being marketed as a TRUE gaming/productivity monitor for graphics professionals. I'd drop a grand in a heartbeat for a glossy/semi-glossy Asus 27" IPS with those specs.

Considering Korean panels QNIX, XSTAR and Yamasaki have all shown it's possible and stable over Dual Link DVI it should only be a matter of time. Bring me 4k when there is content being meaningfully created for that resolution. Upscaling is majorly inferior to native resolution and anyone who claims otherwise is flat out an idiot. Bring me a DVD upscaled to 1080p and the same movie that was shot for bluray and let's see how big a difference there is...
 
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