256MB FX 5600 Ultra coming

[GetInMyFatBelly]

Anyone else noticed the press release from Gainward that stated a 5600 Ultra (not FX 5800 Ultra) with 256MB of 2.5ns DDR RAM, Dual DVI and a included firewire card. Called the Gainward Ultra/780 XP Golden Sample

 

[Peter D]

i havent heard of it until now but :Q

personally, i think the 5600 will be one of the better sellers from the FX family for nvidia.

 

[kylebisme]

ya it sounds like the best price/preformace offering they have from what i have heard. granted some actual benchmarks will be neet to see.

 

[Orbius]

It'll underperform the 9700 non-pro cost more and if its ever released be 8 months later than the 9700.
Theres no reason I can see to get at all excited about this card.

 

[kylebisme]

i was under the impression that it would be 200$ retail; well maybe not the 256mb version but at least other 5600 utras, isnt that the plan?

 

[nRollo]

" It'll underperform the 9700 non-pro cost more and if its ever released be 8 months later than the 9700.
Theres no reason I can see to get at all excited about this card."

Wow. I can't even find a link to the press release and you already know how it will perform, and what it will cost! Are you one of those gypsy fortune tellers Orbius?

 

[Dragon365]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
i was under the impression that it would be 200$ retail; well maybe not the 256mb version but at least other 5600 utras, isnt that the plan?

5800 Ultra=$400, 5800=$300, 5600 Ultra=$199, 5200 Ultra=$149, 5200=$79

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Dragon365

Originally posted by: TheSnowman i was under the impression that it would be 200$ retail; well maybe not the 256mb version but at least other 5600 utras, isnt that the plan?

5800 Ultra=$400, 5800=$300, 5600 Ultra=$199, 5200 Ultra=$149, 5200=$79

Okay so the question is whether this thing will be able to beat a 9600pro. I think it's somewhat unlikely, given the information we have in today's AT article. I hope they get their #@#$ together next time with the NV35, competition is a good thing.

 

[kylebisme]

like i said, i am still being hopefully that the 5600 can keep up with the 9600, based on the clockspeed numbers and the info on the cores that i have seen i think it is possible that it could go either way. worst comes to worse, whoever is sitting lower when it comes to overall value just has to lower their price a bit to make it a more competitive option. the 9800 is undeniable a king for the high end and and like i said before, i am a bit worried about the 5200. but even if that is the way it comes out, i still see the possibility of some serious price wars coming on soon; the likes of which i don't think we have ever seen in the industry before. there is really no reason to root for one company to be better off as that only helps them, but when they are running neck and neck all of us are much better off than we would be otherwise.

 

[Dragon365]

The 5200 is a bad chip, in my opinion - not enough power to get the job done in DX9 - and if the numbers at the register are to be believed, then the speed is not very good. The 5600 will be the savior of NVIDIA - fast, seemingly overclockable, and feature-rich.

 

[nRollo]

"Okay so the question is whether this thing will be able to beat a 9600pro."
So what if it can't?

A Radeon VIVO was never close to an Ultra. A Radeon 8500 was never as good as a GF3 Ti 500, and was stomped flat by the whole GF4 Ti series. It didn't mean they were bad cards, and it didn't mean people didn't buy lots of them.

The 9500-9700 series has more driver issues, hardware incompatibilities, and the fine scrolling line issue.

Wake up. Winning benchmarks by small percentages in certain circumstances isn't the only criteria to buy a card.

 

[kylebisme]

you are not paying any respect to priceing in your agruments Rollo.

 

[Glitchny]

i haent seen that mayn driver issues with the radeons that havent been fixed, and most problems with the cards are caused by the motherboards not the radeons. the driver complaining and using that to say ati cards are inferior is getting a little old, since the drivers are not nearly as bad as everyone says, and not that far different from the Nvidia drivers.

 

[nRollo]

"You are not paying any respect to priceing in your agruments Rollo."

Sure I am Snowman. When Radeon VIVOs came out, they were slower than GF2 Pros, and cost the same. When 64MB R8500s came out, they were slower than GF3 Ti500s, but cost the same. When 128MB R8500s came out, they were slower than GF4 4400s, and cost the same. Now when GF FX 5600s come out at $200, they'll be the same price as 9600s, and cost the same.
I hope this helps you understand.

 

[nRollo]

"the driver complaining and using that to say ati cards are inferior is getting a little old, since the drivers are not nearly as bad as everyone says, and not that far different from the Nvidia drivers. "

They are indeed a lot better than what they were, they are not at nVidia's level yet though. Nor is hardware compatibility.

 

[kylebisme]

odd, i sweer i remember a 30-50$ pricegap in each of those cards but then again i might be thinking of online prices and not retail. either way, back to the topic, bechmarks should be here monday.

 

[CheapTOFU]

I own a Geforce3 and I always thought Nvidia provides the best drivers.. not anymore..

It's been 4 months since the last drivers was posted on the web..

ATI, however, has posted the new drivers every month..

Here's the preview of GeforceFX 5600 ultra

I think 5600 ultra will be slow.. It uses "128bit ddr" and not "128bit ddr2".... and has only "4 pixel pipelines" and slower "gpu clock"..

You can buy R9700 for $230 now.. and by the time FX5600ultra comes out, it will be less than $200...

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"You are not paying any respect to priceing in your agruments Rollo."

Sure I am Snowman. When Radeon VIVOs came out, they were slower than GF2 Pros, and cost the same. When 64MB R8500s came out, they were slower than GF3 Ti500s, but cost the same. When 128MB R8500s came out, they were slower than GF4 4400s, and cost the same. Now when GF FX 5600s come out at $200, they'll be the same price as 9600s, and cost the same.
I hope this helps you understand.

i can attest that a 128 MB radeon 8500 was never close to the price of a Ti4400 they we at least $50 cheaper probably more like $80 edit: its more like $100 Ti4400 vs 128 MB RADEON 8500 LE

i got my Radeon 8500 64 MB for $200 when it came out

Ti500's were at least $300's if that is not a difference i dont know what is Ti500 vs Radeon 8500

 

[Guga]

Radeon VIVO was never close to an Ultra. A Radeon 8500 was never as good as a GF3 Ti 500, and was stomped flat by the whole GF4 Ti series. It didn't mean they were bad cards, and it didn't mean people didn't buy lots of them

R8500 was never good as GF3 TI500???

hahhaha...


no comments about that..

 

[nRollo]

MCHammer:
LOL- "Hammer time!" <does crazy dance, loses all money, ends up fighting with child movie stars on reality show>
Er, I didn't say "At no point in their history were R8500s cheaper than Ti500s". I said "when they came out". I'll translate to rap-ese for you: "When they first was bustin' out all over the hood".
I also don't believe your link, but even if I did, I was talking about local retail, not OEM. I guarantee you the R8500s were $299.99 at release down at the local Best Buy, if not more.

As for you, GUGA:

Stomped at B&W, 39-63fps

Stomped at Sam 68-85fps

Stomped at Q3 and CS

Stomped FLAT at UT 72-95fps

Half as fast at Aquanox, 2/3 as fast at DroneZ

Next driver release, still slower

Yep, still slower

This is where we're at with the FX line- THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED YET.

 

[kylebisme]

ya mchammer, i don't belive you link either, how could you even bother to post something from such an unreputable site.

 

[HappyNic]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"You are not paying any respect to priceing in your agruments Rollo."

Sure I am Snowman. When Radeon VIVOs came out, they were slower than GF2 Pros, and cost the same. When 64MB R8500s came out, they were slower than GF3 Ti500s, but cost the same. When 128MB R8500s came out, they were slower than GF4 4400s, and cost the same. Now when GF FX 5600s come out at $200, they'll be the same price as 9600s, and cost the same.
I hope this helps you understand.

but there WAS a Price difference of at least $50 on most of the card that you were comparing when they were release. The Radeon 8500 was never mean to compete with the Geforce ti500 it was to compete with the Geforce 3, which they are in fact faster. The Ti500 was release so Nvidia will be king again. Didn't the ti500 came out after the 8500? When the 8500 came out it was for $299 at local retailer, but I see Geforce ti500 for atleast $350 or more. And at their release I got my radeon 8500 retail also for $200 ( everyone remember the DELL special on HOT deals).

Bestbuy sells their video card at MSRP prices but if you look around the net you'll get them cheaper than that.

 

[CJP]

Do you guys think that 256MB will offer any real advantage over 128MB?

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: CJP
Do you guys think that 256MB will offer any real advantage over 128MB?

Hell no...It's just marketing B.S..

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: Rollo
MCHammer:
LOL- "Hammer time!" <does crazy dance, loses all money, ends up fighting with child movie stars on reality show>
Er, I didn't say "At no point in their history were R8500s cheaper than Ti500s". I said "when they came out". I'll translate to rap-ese for you: "When they first was bustin' out all over the hood".
I also don't believe your link, but even if I did, I was talking about local retail, not OEM. I guarantee you the R8500s were $299.99 at release down at the local Best Buy, if not more.

As for you, GUGA:

Stomped at B&W, 39-63fps

Stomped at Sam 68-85fps

Stomped at Q3 and CS

Stomped FLAT at UT 72-95fps

Half as fast at Aquanox, 2/3 as fast at DroneZ

Next driver release, still slower

Yep, still slower

This is where we're at with the FX line- THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED YET.

im sure you buy all your hardware from best buy

EDIT: and i did get a radeon 8500 RETAIL for $202 at release maybe not at bestbuy but i am not dumb enough to buy my computer stuff there either

EDIT2: if you are not going to believe me link why do you even come to this site since they provide utterly worthless information

EDIT3: link

The GeForce 2 Ti is NVIDIA's new "mainstream" product, clocked at 250MHz. Core / 400MHz. (200MHz. DDR) memory and priced in line with current GeForce 2 Pro cards (approximately $150). The GeForce 3 Ti 200 should offer performance similar to current GeForce 3s, at about half the price. GeForce 3 Ti 200s should be priced in the $200 range. We don't actually have a card to verify this but it should ship with a core clockspeed of 175MHz. and a 400MHz. (200MHz. DDR) memory subsystem. For now, let's get a little more detailed with the GeForce 3 Ti 500's (MSRP $350) specifications.