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Moonbeam

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I don't see the DNC getting onboard with Warren other than VP.
"A definate maybe, co incidence exist."

However, if you examine bigot behavior closely you will note that motivational thinking, the linking of what is perceived to a desire to see just that increases the instances that appear to prove the underlying bias astronomically. You probably believe that you see corruption in Joe Hunter Ukrainian thingi, but I think you just see only what you already believe must be true of Democrats, that they are morally corrupt. However, when you look at the Trump and his kids you see nothing.

You should probably know then, that as convinced as you are of the corruption you think you see, I see a different form of the same thing. I see in you and Felix an incapacity to see reality owing to party identity. Now that we post under instructions not to denigrate each other, I think it might be worth your while to listen to some of the rationally presented challenges that have been presented that are intended to help you see some, to them at least, glaring holes in your are thinking.

For example, interchange offered a very detailed description of the actual events regarding Hunter and his business dealings no logical argument from your side has assailed. How come he can present an argument like that and you can't. Why is he able to critique Hunter as something less than perfect but not criminal whereas you seem reluctant to do that.

For reasons that I can't really explain but only have theories about, I subjected my own thinking to deep challenge as a young man and came to the conclusion that everything I had held sacred was false. It killed me then but I don't need those crutches now. But what my own experience taught me is that the loss of my precious beliefs felt like being robbed, or worse, cast into hell. If you are aware of mythology world wide it may have suggested that the door to heaven begins with a journey through hell. It gets worse as you self discover but then it gets so much better.

Not telling you what to do. Just wanted you to know that everything you fear has already happened and there is nothing of real value you can lose today. It's probably why we have the practice of baptism. You transform by taking a bath and come out clean leaving the dirt behind. We should all know this but we have trust issues.
 

jmagg

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Nov 21, 2001
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"A definate maybe, co incidence exist."

However, if you examine bigot behavior closely you will note that motivational thinking, the linking of what is perceived to a desire to see just that increases the instances that appear to prove the underlying bias astronomically. You probably believe that you see corruption in Joe Hunter Ukrainian thingi, but I think you just see only what you already believe must be true of Democrats, that they are morally corrupt. However, when you look at the Trump and his kids you see nothing.

You should probably know then, that as convinced as you are of the corruption you think you see, I see a different form of the same thing. I see in you and Felix an incapacity to see reality owing to party identity. Now that we post under instructions not to denigrate each other, I think it might be worth your while to listen to some of the rationally presented challenges that have been presented that are intended to help you see some, to them at least, glaring holes in your are thinking.

For example, interchange offered a very detailed description of the actual events regarding Hunter and his business dealings no logical argument from your side has assailed. How come he can present an argument like that and you can't. Why is he able to critique Hunter as something less than perfect but not criminal whereas you seem reluctant to do that.

For reasons that I can't really explain but only have theories about, I subjected my own thinking to deep challenge as a young man and came to the conclusion that everything I had held sacred was false. It killed me then but I don't need those crutches now. But what my own experience taught me is that the loss of my precious beliefs felt like being robbed, or worse, cast into hell. If you are aware of mythology world wide it may have suggested that the door to heaven begins with a journey through hell. It gets worse as you self discover but then it gets so much better.

Not telling you what to do. Just wanted you to know that everything you fear has already happened and there is nothing of real value you can lose today. It's probably why we have the practice of baptism. You transform by taking a bath and come out clean leaving the dirt behind. We should all know this but we have trust issues.

You've written alot of words and I appreciate that. I personally take issues as they come and try to use logic to determine my opinion regardless of subject. When it comes to politics, it's all bread and circus imo. BTW I'm a union Democrat historically and politically agnostic recently. Also, pretending to know my problems (and everyone else's) and why they exist is silly.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Hard to say how much Joe Biden's name and influence helped him. He graduated from Georgetown and then Yale law, and rose to executive VP at a major bank holding company, and his resume from there certainly involves positions and contacts supportive of sitting on the board of an overseas energy player. That said, MBNA America where he was first employed was a Biden donor, he has well known addiction problems, and many of his ventures include partnership with political figures or relatives. He hasn't led the most virtuous life, that's for sure.

There are obvious problems with saying more, of course. No one that I'm aware of has provided any shred of evidence that his choices of questionable virtue were remotely close to illegal. More importantly, they don't intersect with Joe Biden's political activity at all. Hunter's pursuits are his own.

He got the cushy bank job after getting kicked out of the Navy for a testing positive for cocaine use.

Banks are very careful about vetting employees because they have to vet high dollar loan applicants - I know this first hand. Yet, because of daddy's position as VP they looked the other way and hired him. The same bank gave money to the Biden campaign in 2008.....during the height of the financial crises when many banks were being shut down by the FDIC.
 
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Vic

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He got the cushy bank job after getting kicked out of the Navy for a testing positive for cocaine use.

Banks are very careful about vetting employees because they have to vet high dollar loan applicants - I know this first hand. Yet, because of daddy's position as VP they looked the other way and hired him. The same bank gave money to the Biden campaign in 2008.....during the height of the financial crises when many banks were being shut down by the FDIC. LOL!

You must not have that much firsthand knowledge with FINRA and SAFE, because if you did, you'd know that a prior positive drug test isn't part of the background screenings.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
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We're only supposed to be concerned about Democrats. It's ok if Republicans are openly corrupt.

Every time Hunter and Joe Biden's problems are mentioned on MSNBC, CNN, etc they are quickly dismissed as unfounded or untrue ...so funny.

Here is an example...


When President Trump turned to the Bidens and Ukraine in a speech, MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace cut off the coverage, declaring she had to protect the listeners: “We hate to do this, really, but the president isn't telling the truth.” When Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) tried to answer a question about the Ukraine scandal by referencing the Bidens, “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd angrily told him not to “gaslight” the nation.

When Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) raised the issue on CNN, host Erin Burnett cut him off: “There is no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything wrong, and this is something that has been looked into, and I think — I want to make a point here — I think what we need to talk about right now is what did the president right now do or not do.” Other CNN hosts have repeated the line of “no evidence of wrongdoing” like a virtual incantation.

Joe Biden has insisted he never spoke with his son about his foreign dealings — an incredible but categorical statement. The then-vice president flew with his son on Air Force Two on an official trip to China but suggests they never discussed his son’s deal seeking $1.5 billion in investments with the state-backed Bank of China. During the trip, Hunter reportedly introduced his father to Chinese private equity executive Jonathan Li, who was part of that deal. Yet Biden insists he was never told of any business linkage or dealings.

If true, Biden was, at a minimum, willfully blind not to ask his son about potential conflicts or controversies. But it does not appear to be true, at least in part — because Hunter Biden has said he informed his father about the Ukraine deal.

All of this should be of some interest to the media, which has exhaustively — and rightfully — pursued foreign deals by the Trump family. And there is no reason why the media cannot pursue allegations against both the Trumps and the Bidens.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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You must not have that much firsthand knowledge with FINRA and SAFE, because if you did, you'd know that a prior positive drug test isn't part of the background screenings.

FINRA regulates brokerage firms not banks. And it depends on the type of loan being made as to which rules apply. For example, if you want to get an SBA loan, you will be disqualified if you were convicted of a crime of "moral turpitude", are blocked by the Treasury Department from banking services in the United States (OFAC list), owe substantial back taxes to the IRS, etc.

And while being dismissed from the Navy for drug use is not a crime, it might be wise to consider the moral turpitude of someone who was when establishing a business relationship. If you think it can be overlooked and everyone deserves a second chance, thats ok. But you have to remember, it will always be questioned. And with high profile people like the Bidens or Trumps, you can bet it will be.
 

interchange

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He got the cushy bank job after getting kicked out of the Navy for a testing positive for cocaine use.

Banks are very careful about vetting employees because they have to vet high dollar loan applicants - I know this first hand. Yet, because of daddy's position as VP they looked the other way and hired him. The same bank gave money to the Biden campaign in 2008.....during the height of the financial crises when many banks were being shut down by the FDIC.

He was hired by MBNA in 1996. He was discharged from the Navy reserve for positive drug screen in 2013.

Since you have decided to post again in this thread, would you care to answer my basic questions?
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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He got the cushy bank job after getting kicked out of the Navy for a testing positive for cocaine use.

Banks are very careful about vetting employees because they have to vet high dollar loan applicants - I know this first hand. Yet, because of daddy's position as VP they looked the other way and hired him. The same bank gave money to the Biden campaign in 2008.....during the height of the financial crises when many banks were being shut down by the FDIC. LOL!

You appear critical of something that I allow as a possibility, trading of his father's name, but if true it pales in significance to Trump's family use of the father in Office. Consider Ivanka being a defacto cabinet level of state AND engaging in trade with China and Trump is the POTUS and personally benefits from business dealings orders of magnitudes more than any other in history.

There's no comparison between Hunter and Trump kids in which I include in-laws and Biden personally trading for immense financial gain? Please.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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You appear critical of something that I allow as a possibility, trading of his father's name, but if true it pales in significance to Trump's family use of the father in Office. Consider Ivanka being a defacto cabinet level of state AND engaging in trade with China and Trump is the POTUS and personally benefits from business dealings orders of magnitudes more than any other in history.

There's no comparison between Hunter and Trump kids in which I include in-laws and Biden personally trading for immense financial gain? Please.

You know, I havent really looked in the Trump kids. But Im sure everything is on the up and up.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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You know, I havent really looked in the Trump kids. But Im sure everything is on the up and up.

It may be, but you have no reason to believe any different about the Bidens and the demonstrable facts show precisely what I said, no faith required.
 

Vic

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Jun 12, 2001
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FINRA regulates brokerage firms not banks. And it depends on the type of loan being made as to which rules apply. For example, if you want to get an SBA loan, you will be disqualified if you were convicted of a crime of "moral turpitude", are blocked by the Treasury Department from banking services in the United States (OFAC list), owe substantial back taxes to the IRS, etc.

And while being dismissed from the Navy for drug use is not a crime, it might be wise to consider the moral turpitude of someone who was when establishing a business relationship. If you think it can be overlooked and everyone deserves a second chance, thats ok. But you have to remember, it will always be questioned. And with high profile people like the Bidens or Trumps, you can bet it will be.

Now you're just trying to distract from the fact you were wrong about a prior positive drug test being a disqualifier from getting a bank job. Nor is it a crime of moral turpitude, that's just silly.

The reason you're not convincing anyone is because your argument against the Bidens rests solely on innuendo, whereas the argument against the Trumps has transcripts, Trump's own words (such as, to China), and the Trumps' own actions (Jr running his "blind trust").
 
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Every time Hunter and Joe Biden's problems are mentioned on MSNBC, CNN, etc they are quickly dismissed as unfounded or untrue ...so funny.

Here is an example...


Where is the proof. What you posted is innuendo.
Back your claim up with proof.

As of now we know for a fact Biden was never under investigation in the Ukraine. They have stated this as a fact.
We do know the company he worked for was under investigation but no charges were filed. Again this is fact.
Where are your facts?
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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He got the cushy bank job after getting kicked out of the Navy for a testing positive for cocaine use.

Banks are very careful about vetting employees because they have to vet high dollar loan applicants - I know this first hand. Yet, because of daddy's position as VP they looked the other way and hired him. The same bank gave money to the Biden campaign in 2008.....during the height of the financial crises when many banks were being shut down by the FDIC.
I seriously doubt it!
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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It may be, but you have no reason to believe any different about the Bidens and the demonstrable facts show precisely what I said, no faith required.

You are correct. Since Hunter already admitted to working for the Ukrainians for $50,000 per month faith is not required. He got the job because of his dad and he kept it from 2014-2019. The whole affair is pretty shady, but then he goes off and takes money for hedge fund that manages money for the government of China while his dad is in office. So he quit that job too.

Who knows what kind of shady thing that guy will do next, but it tells you alot about Hunter Biden.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Where is the proof. What you posted is innuendo.
Back your claim up with proof.

As of now we know for a fact Biden was never under investigation in the Ukraine. They have stated this as a fact.
We do know the company he worked for was under investigation but no charges were filed. Again this is fact.
Where are your facts?

The point I was making is that the left wingers in the media do not want to discuss Hunter, they only want to hinder Trumps re-election by an means necessary. The paragraphs I listed are not innuendo but examples of the media dimissing news the Bidens underhanded affairs.
 
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