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drizek

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You can stop trying to persuade him now, fellas...

I was half joking there. Yes, I admit, I'm a bit of a fanboy, but I'm not wholly irrational. The 990fx chipset supports a lot of things that cedarpoint doesn't, despite a few flaws.

The fact that SB is so fast is just a testament to how stagnant everything is, but the reality is that it is the equivalent of buying a core2duo instead of a C2Q or Phenom II. Its good value, but you don't see too many wolfdales around any more. There's room for a lot more performance at 32nm, but nobody seems to be delivering it yet.
 

Red Dawn

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The fact that SB is so fast is just a testament to how stagnant everything is, but the reality is that it is the equivalent of buying a core2duo instead of a C2Q or Phenom II. Its good value, but you don't see too many wolfdales around any more. There's room for a lot more performance at 32nm, but nobody seems to be delivering it yet.

How does this make any sense? 4.5 Ghz isn't performance for you?
 
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Bartman39

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The first iterations of USB 3.0 was to use pcie lanes to function. It limits bandwidth in multi-gpu scenarios. No idea if thats the case with new motherboards.

http://www.overclockers.com/usb-30-testing-gigabyte-ud3r-ud6/

Pretty sure that was with the first gen P67 boards and has been addressed with the newer generations of the boards...? Also if you read more into the article you linked here...

SSUSB + Turbo & SLI Gaming….what???

I wanted to go into a bit more detail on this test. Going back to the quote from Gigabyte above, …”one way is Turbo mode where it uses PCI-E lanes to communicate directly with the CPU for best performance. The other way is through the P55 chipset where it is limited to PCI-E gen 1 speed (2.5Gb/s) – when turbo mode is disabled”… I have seen around the web some concern over this implementation, so I wanted to give some examples over performance with the system bandwidth stressed. My testing is by no means exhaustive, and more investigation may need to be done. Going back to what we know about the Lynnfield architecture is that the PCIe controller is built into the CPU itself, and there is a total of only 16 lanes. That means if you have a single graphics card, it will perform best if it can use all 16 lanes, and if you have dual cards, you’d be running with 8 PCIe lanes to each.
Gigabyte really didn’t want to force users into degrading their graphics performance by only allowing the SSUSB controller to use one of the CPU’s PCIe lanes. Instead, they decided to link it to both the CPU and to the P55 chipset which supports a single PCIe 1.1 lane (2.5Gb/s limited). This is where “Turbo” mode comes in. If you have an external SSUSB SSD and want maximum performance from it, use Turbo mode and the SSUSB controller will use one of the 16 PCIe lanes on the CPU, slightly deteriorating the graphics performance, but allowing maximum throughput to the SSUSB connected devices. If you are more concerned with maximizing your graphics performance, and don’t need the extra SSUSB throughput, or if you have a slower SSUSB device like the HDDs in my testing, turn off Turbo mode, and use all 16 PCIe lanes on the CPU for your graphics cards.
I’ve heard a bit of grumbling that Gigabyte made a bad decision here, but I honestly cannot see a better way to implement this technology, and I applaud Gigabyte for leaving the decision in the hands of the user for deciding what performance should take priority in their system. For those users who do not want to compromise performance for any device, they should be looking at a system based on the Nehalem (X58 & LGA1366) architecture anyway. For a budget friendly system based around P55, this should make everyone happy.
The purpose of my testing here was to show that although no single component of the system is performing with 100% of it’s potential bandwidth, performance is still excellent, and SSUSB is still a massive improvement over USB 2.0!

Also not sure if this just applies to Gigabyte or all P67 boards...? When I have more time I`ll do a bit of research to know for sure but as the author stated "slightly deteriorating the graphics performance" sounds more like its a minor issue and possibly worth a frame or two in gaming...? But I will say the difference in crossfire with X58 boards and the P67`s (16X+16X Vs. 8X+8X) is next to nothing to begin with... Also I ran a memory comparision linked just below... Clearly SB is a memory bandwith monster and winner all the way around... You can wait and wait and wait but there will always be something better down the line but just how long down the line...? Just remember when a new cpu comes out a new chipset has to go with it to make it perform... Put a new cpu on an old chipset and you have nothing more than a new paint on an old car (looks good but doesnt run any better)... In other words upgrade to current wait a year or two and upgrade again its just a basic fact to stay with the curve... BTW just sold my I7 920 system to a guy that was still using an Opty system, talk about an upgrade... Like going from a match to a flame thrower...:biggrin:

Third post down...
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2166596&page=2
 

drizek

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How does this make any sense? 4.5 Ghz isn't performance for you?

Sure, it's not bad, but I would rather have 8 cores at 4.5 GHz. That's what 2011 will offer(possibly).

More importantly, I'm worried that S1155 won't support 8+ Core IB chips. It just seems like a dead end platform to me, not just in terms of the CPU but also with PCIe and memory. Sure, dual 8x is enough for now, but will it be enough in 3 years?
 

biostud

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When BD arrives you'll start to wonder if you should wait for SB-E hex core, and when SB-E are available, you'll start to wonder if you should wait for IB, and when.....

There will always be something new on the horizon.
 

dma0991

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Sure, it's not bad, but I would rather have 8 cores at 4.5 GHz. That's what 2011 will offer(possibly).

More importantly, I'm worried that S1155 won't support 8+ Core IB chips. It just seems like a dead end platform to me, not just in terms of the CPU but also with PCIe and memory. Sure, dual 8x is enough for now, but will it be enough in 3 years?

Even if you were to have 8 BD cores at 4.5GHz it wouldn't match up in terms of performance to a 8 core @ 4.5GHz from Intel. Not to mention that most probably the 8 cores might have 16 threads to go with it.

The only 8 cores from Intel that I heard of is Haswell and beyond. If Intel were to cram 8 cores on a chip with IB, I am guessing that would be IB-E on the LGA2011 instead of the LGA1155. LGA1155 is not exactly a dead end considering that its lifespan is 2 years with SB and IB which is not that bad actually.

Even if you were to rant about x8x8 is insufficient, PCIE 3.0 is coming out soon. Are you going to be disappointed by that fact as well?
 

Red Dawn

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Sure, it's not bad, but I would rather have 8 cores at 4.5 GHz. That's what 2011 will offer(possibly).

More importantly, I'm worried that S1155 won't support 8+ Core IB chips. It just seems like a dead end platform to me, not just in terms of the CPU but also with PCIe and memory. Sure, dual 8x is enough for now, but will it be enough in 3 years?

That's what the FS forum is for, you uprade and sell your old hardware there to help offest the cost
 

drizek

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Even if you were to have 8 BD cores at 4.5GHz it wouldn't match up in terms of performance to a 8 core @ 4.5GHz from Intel. Not to mention that most probably the 8 cores might have 16 threads to go with it.

The only 8 cores from Intel that I heard of is Haswell and beyond. If Intel were to cram 8 cores on a chip with IB, I am guessing that would be IB-E on the LGA2011 instead of the LGA1155. LGA1155 is not exactly a dead end considering that its lifespan is 2 years with SB and IB which is not that bad actually.

Even if you were to rant about x8x8 is insufficient, PCIE 3.0 is coming out soon. Are you going to be disappointed by that fact as well?

There have been rumors of sandy bridge 8 core.

Pcie 3.0 is obviously anoteher doubling of performance. Pcie 16x is sufficient for a while, 8x is ging to start being a bottleneck soon.
 

RoyG

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Get a 990 board, you might cry when BD is actually out.

Get a 2600k, it's fast and Ivybridge won't be out until next early summer.
 

grimpr

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*IF* an 8core 8130p at 320$ destroys the 4c/8t Core i7 2600k Sandy Bridge at most multithreaded benchmarks and workloads then you'll know you made the wrong choise, my proposition is grab an Core i5 2500K and put the saved money on an SSD, cant beat the performance and VFM of this combination.
 
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