280x Prices up 20%?

[Z15CAM]

nVidia should just as well discontinue their free Game Package because the Green team is the only Video Card MFGr with cards to sell ;o)

 

[AnandThenMan]

Ah, got it. Makes sense for them, sucks for the consumer.

 

[3DVagabond]

More than that available, those are the two lowest-priced ones. Inventory fluctuates though so what is true one moment might not be the next but at the time I checked there were a few other models available. In any case, Newegg is not the only channel. There is stock if you are creative. I landed a new with warranty 7990 from an authorized dealer last week with not much markup and that's one of the rarest, hardest to find cards out there, for instance.

But I get the sense you just want to argue for the sake of arguing at this point. Does it matter whether this shortage is better or worse than HD58xx or 8800GTX? Not really. In all three cases there was an obvious supply-demand imbalance and prices rose as a result. I stand by my statement that we did see this kind of situation before, in 2009 and in ~2007 or so (foggy memory, it was around the time of the 8800GT or 8800GTX).

At the time there were 2/32 available. It had nothing to do with price. Now there are 8/32 (they obviously got a shipment in). That's still not plenty of availability. You have to be the only person who hasn't noticed a shortage. Of course circumstances matter when you are comparing different situations. That's what adds context to it.

As far as you "sensing that I just want to argue", don't post inaccurate statements if you don't want anyone to point them out. It is a forum for discussion.

 

[blastingcap]

At the time there were 2/32 available. It had nothing to do with price. Now there are 8/32 (they obviously got a shipment in). That's still not plenty of availability. You have to be the only person who hasn't noticed a shortage. Of course circumstances matter when you are comparing different situations. That's what adds context to it.

As far as you "sensing that I just want to argue", don't post inaccurate statements if you don't want anyone to point them out. It is a forum for discussion.

Enough is enough, I didn't say there wasn't a shortage, read my posts, I said that at the time I was posting that not all high end cards were sold out, in contrast to what another poster said. He said they were TOTALLY sold out. His exact quote:

It's hilarious to see every single high end AMD card OoS on the egg. And I mean in hilarious as I can't recall it happening with either company ever.

I responded:

Actually there are plenty of high end cards available on Newegg right now, just not at launch prices, so it's not true that Newegg is out of stock.. they and/or AIBs are just scalping. For instance you can buy a R9 290 for $499.99 right now. Not a great price, but it's in stock. You can also buy a R9 280X for $399.99 right now. Etc. They are in stock, just not at good prices.

This is very similar to the HD58xx situation in Nov-Dec 2009 where Newegg prices were getting kind of out of control, like $310+ for a HD5850. And back then the supplies of HD48xx were drying up as well similar to how HD79xx is hard to find now.

I also recall there being a massive shortage of 8800GT/X video cards back in the day when NV's card was so much better that everybody piled onto that GPU making it hard to keep in stock.

Bold added for emphasis.

His statement was false at the time I typed my post (though it might have been true at the time he typed HIS post), and it still is according to you (there are 2-8 in stock according to YOU). At the time I wrote my post, there were several cards still in stock and I merely cited the two cheapest ones... you IMMEDIATELY interpreted that to mean that there were only 2 cards in stock. That was your error, not mine. And in any case, your own statements would tend to disprove Imouto's quote. So why are you trying to pick a fight with me instead of him? Why are you selectively quoting me to make it seem like I said something different than what I actually said?

Clearly, I also said actually there have been similar shortages in the past like how in 2009, AMD had their high-end cards wiped out except what little remained of 48xxs, very similar to now. Obviously there is a shortage because prices are way jacked up right now; it is possible to have several overpriced cards available ("plenty") and yet be in a shortage at the same time (my previous posts compared this situation to 2009 and 2007 where there were shortages of HD58xx and 8800GT cards). This is because if it weren't a supply-demand imbalance situation, you wouldn't see prices skyrocket to well above MSRP like this.

Bottom line: In no way shape or form did I say there was not a shortage. So you can stop twisting my words, thanks.

Aside from your arguing for no reason (repeat: I was correcting someone else saying that there were ZERO cards available), does it even matter exactly how bad the supply-demand imbalance is this time vs. last time? You're splitting hairs as if you're a lawyer arguing a case, but you aren't even being paid for it. (Or maybe you are, whatever.) Please find something more productive to do than picking fights over hypertechnicalities, especially when your own evidence actually SUPPORTS what I said (that cards are not completely OOS yet). Don't bother responding to this post, I refuse to get into a hair-splitting contest over minutiae with you, sorry.

Due to the nature of your post history, which speaks for itself, I've also Ignore-Listed you and hope you do the same for me. Thank you.

 

[3DVagabond]

If it's against the law, then how to golf manufacturer's do it? I guess it boils down to implementation because golf manufacturers do not let pro shops charge their own prices. Pro shops will have products removed from their shops if they try to undersell other pro shops. It boils down to protecting the brand for manufacturers and also makes pro shops offer good service in order for people to buy from them. Maybe they operate outside of the norm due to some loop hole.

I guess what you are saying is they 'fix' the price and charge too much...sort of like what happened with memory back in the day. That is not what I am saying...and that is also why I stated it probably will never happen in the technology industry because of too many conflicts of interest.

It's unfortunate they can't, but I also understand why they don't. The free market is always best, but it is not always perfect.

It's a "gentleman's agreement". Trust me there is nothing in writing for these golf pro shops. Newegg is far too big of a company dealing with too many suppliers to enforce any kind of a price agreement on. If Sapphire USA doesn't want to sell to them, then Sapphire Asia will, etc... (That's just speaking figuratively. I have no idea what supplier(s) Newegg gets their Sapphire product from.)

 

[3DVagabond]

Enough is enough, I didn't say there wasn't a shortage, read my posts, I said that at the time I was posting that not all high end cards were sold out, in contrast to what another poster said. He said they were TOTALLY sold out. I said actually not really. So why are you not taking issue with HIS inaccurate statement? Why are you criticizing me for correcting HIS inaccurate statement?

I also said actually there have been similar shortages in the past like how in 2009, AMD had their high-end cards wiped out except what little remained of 48xxs, very similar to now.

Aside from your arguing for no reason (repeat: I was correcting someone else saying that there were ZERO cards available), does it even matter if this time is THIS crazy or THAT crazy? You're splitting hairs as if you're a lawyer arguing a case. Please find something more productive to do. Crazy is crazy. Stop trying to pick fights over hypertechnicalities. Don't bother responding to this post, I refuse to get into a hair-splitting contest over minutiae with you, sorry.

Don't bother responding? So is this a lecture now instead of a discussion?

You said there were plenty, I disagreed. Sorry if that upset you.

Actually there are plenty of high end cards available on Newegg right now...

If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine. Have a nice day.

Edit: You've edited your post. Let me respond. You already corrected his statement, I didn't need to. I'm not picking a fight. Simply not agreeing entirely with your statement that there are plenty available. You really are making way too mush out of this. People are free to disagree here.

 

[stahlhart]

People here are free to disagree respectfully.

1x290 and 1x280X = plenty of stock? Two out of thirty two models?

This is not respectfully.

-- stahlhart

 

[Imouto]

When I posted there wasn't a single high end AMD GPU available for any price and I think that 6 models OoS are quite different than 2.

That's all.

 

[Will Robinson]

This one looks nice..available in Australia right now.

 

[Attic]

Gotta smile at how the market here has switched. I went through some trouble to get after a 280x given there price when they were listed at 300. Like a few others I was too late, I thought initially that all the out of stock indications I was getting must have been some kind of error/misunderstanding, then the prices shot WAY WAY up.

Now the 280's are showing for 400 in most circumstances and I can get a 770GTX with monster over clock (1200/7200) from PNY for 300 after rebate.

There's been some discuss as to who is buying up all the high end AMD stock and for what purpose. As far as corporations buying em up en masse to mine, I can see that. I always felt that those with deep pockets were buying up all the stock to create artificially high demand in the secondary markets where they could flip their new merchandise for a profit. There may not really be any demand at the new prices other than as a manipulation effort to squeeze new folks wanting to get into litecoin mining. Time will tell where the prices settle, but it clearly makes no sense for gamers to be paying these exorbitant prices for the high end AMD cards, it'd be even worse were it just a manipulation game using litecoin as cover.

 

[Tohtori]

This one looks nice..available in Australia right now.

I wouldn't buy that! They forgot to clock up that core and memory not to mention they propably forgot to install GPU on the card at all. But most worrying is the dimensions of that thing, worlds first black hole powered GPU?

 

[tolis626]

I wouldn't buy that! They forgot to clock up that core and memory not to mention they propably forgot to install GPU on the card at all. But most worrying is the dimensions of that thing, worlds first black hole powered GPU?

From an engineering point of view,fitting a GPU with 0 stream processors in a 0 sq. mm space and having it run at 0MHz is easy,all at a very low power envelope.The real question here is how do you sell such a GPU?My knowledge on marketing is too limited to even speculate though...

 

[Rezist]

From an engineering point of view,fitting a GPU with 0 stream processors in a 0 sq. mm space and having it run at 0MHz is easy,all at a very low power envelope.The real question here is how do you sell such a GPU?My knowledge on marketing is too limited to even speculate though...

The real question is the perf/mm infinite or is it undefined?

 

[Will Robinson]

From an engineering point of view,fitting a GPU with 0 stream processors in a 0 sq. mm space and having it run at 0MHz is easy,all at a very low power envelope.The real question here is how do you sell such a GPU?My knowledge on marketing is too limited to even speculate though...

Its a special one...:sneaky:

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Difficulty isnt gonna rise too fast from now since its limited by the number of higher end Radeons available.. and they are all out or near out of stock everywhere.

I have NEVER seen this kind of shenanigans before: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...3_1559&zenid=757904c4cc200560956e311ed3803511
The biggest pc etailer here is out of stock.. no more 7950, 7970s, and now 280X all out as well as R290/X in very low availability. And I know from these guys, they received a LOT of cards but demand is nuts.

Hint to buy AMD stock? :whiste:

I already went in at $3.15 and I'm hoping these sales will help them out some more. AMD stock to the moon right after China wakes up!

 

[blastingcap]

Difficulty isnt gonna rise too fast from now since its limited by the number of higher end Radeons available.. and they are all out or near out of stock everywhere.

I have NEVER seen this kind of shenanigans before: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php...3_1559&zenid=757904c4cc200560956e311ed3803511
The biggest pc etailer here is out of stock.. no more 7950, 7970s, and now 280X all out as well as R290/X in very low availability. And I know from these guys, they received a LOT of cards but demand is nuts.

Actually, they get sold out almost as fast as they come in so that's why they keep bouncing in and out of stock. Someone linked to a UK retailer's comment somewhere earlier today at one of the major forums (this one or Hardforum I think) about how they (the UK retailer) are receiving hundreds of cards daily but are selling hundreds each day, so that at any given moment in time they have little inventory. Same thing is going on in the USA. Not sure about Australasia but man, they MAKE these things over there, you guys have the shortest supply chains of all. So I presume that the same thing is happening there--inventory going in and out.

 

[Blue_Max]

I just want one to game on - they're sold out everywhere I want to shop! I could buy online but I want the local warranty, etc. Greedy jerks hoarding them hoping to mine "free money".

 

[nwo]

I just want one to game on - they're sold out everywhere I want to shop! I could buy online but I want the local warranty, etc. Greedy jerks hoarding them hoping to mine "free money".

Isn't the local warranty only good for the "return policy" period of time, after that manufacturer's warranty takes place doesn't it? Unless you like getting ripped off with a local extended warranty.

 

[Silverforce11]

Whats even more lame, are dudes who bought heaps of 7950s/280X are now selling LTC mining rigs online and in local ads here, barebone open system, 4 GPUs, USB stick boot, preconfigured for mining.

And they're sold out too.

 

[Blue_Max]

Isn't the local warranty only good for the "return policy" period of time, after that manufacturer's warranty takes place doesn't it? Unless you like getting ripped off with a local extended warranty.

My local shop's "easy replacement" warranty has been awesome. If running 24/7 it makes sense to get! They've been awesome to me.

 

[nitromullet]

Interesting times... I just sold my 7950 for $350. These cards were going for $180-200 AMIR back in September. I've been buying (and selling) video cards for quite a while now, and I've never seen anything like this. To have demand and price rise so much after dropping so low, so late after launch is unprecedented.

The closest thing I've ever seen to this was people paying top dollar for reference cards months after launch so they could fit waterblocks, but nothing close to this.

Selling the card does sort of leave me in a lurch though... I definitely got good money for it, but with all the AMD cards sold out there aren't really any inexpensive replacements. I guess I could break even and get a minor upgrade with a GTX 770, but I've already had three GK104 cards.

Not that I have any ill will towards the miners, but I hope the bottom drops out on LTC mining and the market gets flooded with cheap R9 290s! I'll definitely take one of those for $350!

 

[24601]

Interesting times... I just sold my 7950 for $350. These cards were going for $180-200 AMIR back in September. I've been buying (and selling) video cards for quite a while now, and I've never seen anything like this. To have demand and price rise so much after dropping so low, so late after launch is unprecedented.

The closest thing I've ever seen to this was people paying top dollar for reference cards months after launch so they could fit waterblocks, but nothing close to this.

Selling the card does sort of leave me in a lurch though... I definitely got good money for it, but with all the AMD cards sold out there aren't really any inexpensive replacements. I guess I could break even and get a minor upgrade with a GTX 770, but I've already had three GK104 cards.

Not that I have any ill will towards the miners, but I hope the bottom drops out on LTC mining and the market gets flooded with cheap R9 290s! I'll definitely take one of those for $350!

That's a whole lot of not going to happen.

Just get yourself a 780 or something.

 

[Torn Mind]

I should have bought those 7950s when I had the chance. Why did I not look into mining? WHY, STUPID ME!!!!!

 

[blastingcap]

Just buy coins directly if you are so bullish on them.

 

[Will Robinson]

You keep saying that....if you already have a card why buy them direct?
DIY is way more fun,you have the card to game on and you learn about crypto currency from the ground up.