2900 XT lacks a UVD

[Creig]

You know what, keeping insulting each other is not going to help anything. I've presented my evidence and made my point.

 

[Wreckage]

It's funny as much as "Crieg" would like this issue to go away, he keeps bumping the thread back to the top. :laugh:


However, it's clear from his first post in this thread, he just wanted to troll and insult people. So his credibility is zero.

Originally posted by: Creig
If only Anandtech could lack a Wreckage.

Is this a huge issue? No. Is this something that should be addressed? Yes.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

This is why Einstein was the greatest scientist ever, all of you are biased, and none of you are, its all relative

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
This is why Einstein was the greatest scientist ever, all of you are biased, and none of you are, its all relative

Bah he was no Isaac Newton. (relatively speaking).

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Creig
You know what, keeping insulting each other is not going to help anything. I've presented my evidence and made my point.

"all apologies" you mean ... no evidence and no point ... not from what i can see ... just an angry response to having AMD's ethics brought into question

it's clear to everyone ... except you ... that AMD mislead with their info and their slides ...
--was it intentional? ... i doubt it ... just convenient at Press Launch to omit some details ... and very unfortunately for them, they didn't clarify it when launch actually came.

Hence the *disclaimer* ... the admission ...
... now what is your spin on it again?

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: Creig
You're right, I forgot about the whole HDCP fiasco. While both Nvidia and ATI were involved, ATI was definitely more at fault on that one.

I think my nerves are just getting on edge after listening to certain people whine about AMD over and over and over non-stop for the past 6 months and seeing others troll endlessly. The 2900XT seems to be a decent card for the money, but some people here seem hellbent on proving that it's the cause of everything evil in the world and should be crushed along with the company that made it.

I'm just saying, nVidia went through this similiar situation (to a much lesser extent) upon G80's arrival several months ago, and I don't recall you jumping up to defend them like you have with AMD.

Nelsieus

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: Creig
You're right, I forgot about the whole HDCP fiasco. While both Nvidia and ATI were involved, ATI was definitely more at fault on that one.

I think my nerves are just getting on edge after listening to certain people whine about AMD over and over and over non-stop for the past 6 months and seeing others troll endlessly. The 2900XT seems to be a decent card for the money, but some people here seem hellbent on proving that it's the cause of everything evil in the world and should be crushed along with the company that made it.

I'm just saying, nVidia went through this similiar situation (to a much lesser extent) upon G80's arrival several months ago, and I don't recall you jumping up to defend them like you have with AMD.

Nelsieus

i remember doing the same thing to nvidia than i am doing to AMD ... pointing out a "flaw" in their truth in advertising ... and don't remember Creig telling me not to that i was "crucifying nvidia" ... perhaps we should look up his stance back then when the shoe was on the other foot

 

[otispunkmeyer]

well it makes them no worse than NV, that means both teams Hi end cant have wicked fast Hi-def decoding while the cheaper mid/low range cards do.

it makes sense to a point, thos cards are more suited to cramped HDTV cases, but considering the outlay for one of these top rung cards you would kind of expect it to be there.

however, ATi have kinda messed up somewhere in their advertisment because while it sometimes doesnt explicitly say the 2900 has a UVD, it does say that the 2900 uses AVIVO and that the UVD is part of AVIVO.

at least nvidia didnt say that pure video 2 was part of its 8800...but they do say just pure video, its better than nothing, but pv2 is pretty awesome

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
well it makes them no worse than NV, that means both teams Hi end cant have wicked fast Hi-def decoding while the cheaper mid/low range cards do.

it makes sense to a point, thos cards are more suited to cramped HDTV cases, but considering the outlay for one of these top rung cards you would kind of expect it to be there.

however, ATi have kinda messed up somewhere in their advertisment because while it sometimes doesnt explicitly say the 2900 has a UVD, it does say that the 2900 uses AVIVO and that the UVD is part of AVIVO.

at least nvidia didnt say that pure video 2 was part of its 8800...but they do say just pure video, its better than nothing, but pv2 is pretty awesome

To tell you the truth, I don't even see Pure Video listed under 8800's as a feature on Nvidia's site. It says "Pure Video" on the box my card came in however.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Creig

It just doesn't seem to be worth the effort I'm putting forth to defend AMD for being totally misleading on a couple of presentation slides.

Fixed.

Just to quote one of the slides...

ATI Radeon Firsts:

First to 65nm
First with 512-bit memory interface
First with UVD
First for Windows Vista

LOL First for Vista? OK

Currently they don't have a GPU out with either UVD or 65nm that I know of.

I don't see how their "UVD" is any different from "Purevideo HD" which is out already.

You should investigate then, there are 65nm ATi gpus like the Radeon HD 2400 and HD 2600XT.

http://ati.amd.com/products/Radeonhd2400/specs.html

ATI Radeon? HD 2400 Series - GPU Specifications
ATI Radeon? HD 2400 Feature Summary
180 million transistors on 65nm fabrication process
64-bit DDR2/GDDR3 memory interface
Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture
40 stream processing units
Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders

http://ati.amd.com/products/Radeonhd2600/specs.html

ATI Radeon? HD 2600 Series - GPU Specifications
ATI Radeon? HD 2600 Feature Summary
390 million transistors on 65nm fabrication process
128-bit DDR2/GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
Ring Bus Memory Controller
Fully distributed design with 256-bit internal ring bus for memory reads and writes

Even though I'm not able to find them yet in any etailer.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: Creig

It just doesn't seem to be worth the effort I'm putting forth to defend AMD for being totally misleading on a couple of presentation slides.

Fixed.

Just to quote one of the slides...

ATI Radeon Firsts:

First to 65nm
First with 512-bit memory interface
First with UVD
First for Windows Vista

LOL First for Vista? OK

Currently they don't have a GPU out with either UVD or 65nm that I know of.

I don't see how their "UVD" is any different from "Purevideo HD" which is out already.

ATI/AMD had their graphics drivers for previous gen cards done first before NVidia.

 

[imported_Equinox]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
HIS put a "Certified for Windows Vista" sticker on the box, but the only full version game (circa 2002) physically present on the DVDs does not run on Vista. You get to wait for UVD and Valve's Black Box and a good PCIe 2.0 power adapter. I've no experience with HIS support yet, but if HIS is like any other company I've dealt with, they'll just tell you to wait for newer drivers...after putting you through an entry level techie having you change your multimedia decoders and USB devices around because he really has no idea what UVD is.

This isn't exactly funny, but this whole post made me LOL because it is so true.

It isn't limited to HIS, ATI, AMD, NVidia or whoever...calling tech support for any reason other than an RMA (because you have already diagnosed your own problem) is generally a very bad idea. I pity those who do not know any better and actually expect help from such a move.

Back on topic, I read in the UVD thread at Beyond3d that the Cat 7.5's still have trouble when you enable playback acceleration in PowerDVD. No word on whether WinDVD works or not.

I don't own an HD 2900XT so I can't personally test it, not that it would matter to me even if I did. I'm pretty much satisfied if the picture is roughly the correct shape and color with audible sounds.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: evolucion8
You should investigate then, there are 65nm ATi gpus like the Radeon HD 2400 and HD 2600XT.

Neither of these products have been released yet.

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.tweaktown.com/computex2007/13/index.html

AMD's Dave Orton told the press that attended the Press Conference that the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT in deed does UVD, but due to the power full shader engine in the GPU, it is done in software rather than in hardware

I think we have found the source of confusion.