2900 XT lacks a UVD

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Wreckage

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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
And here I thought Wreckage looked pretty unbiased lately People never change lol

Who wants to help me find an obscure flaw in G80 and make a thread about it?

My apologies. However, many people ask about "what card to buy for video playback" and this should be noted in their buying decision. So I hardly call that obscure. It's funny how certain people will jump on my for this thread, but when a similar thread pops up regarding another company, they fall silent.

Virtually no one in this thread is unbiased, so if you must call the kettle black in order to make yourself feel better so be it.

However what I posted was not only factual and relevant to the topic at hand, you and others have only posted sadness at hearing the truth. Attacking me over this issue is a true insight into your personality.
 

gunblade

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First, this information is confirmed through AMD graphic spokeperson Dave.

This is an information that is legit and would help people to be more informed about their buying decision.

I see no point in attacking the messenger if he/she is not spreading FUD. People really need to be more objective in defending their favored company.

I would actually favor AMD if all things being equal since I hope they stay alive.
But this info certainly needed to be made known so people can be aware of it.

AMD or Nvidia, information(not FUD) needed to be passed to consumer and leave the judgement to the buyer.
 

Matt2

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Originally posted by: gunblade
First, this information is confirmed through AMD graphic spokeperson Dave.

This is an information that is legit and would help people to be more informed about their buying decision.

I see no point in attacking the messenger if he/she is not spreading FUD. People really need to be more objective in defending their favored company.

I would actually favor AMD if all things being equal since I hope they stay alive.
But this info certainly needed to be made known so people can be aware of it.

AMD or Nvidia, information(not FUD) needed to be passed to consumer and leave the judgement to the buyer.

I agree. This information is completely valid. The fact that people are attacking Wreckage and not addressing the real issue only shows their own bias.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: gunblade
First, this information is confirmed through AMD graphic spokeperson Dave.

This is an information that is legit and would help people to be more informed about their buying decision.

I see no point in attacking the messenger if he/she is not spreading FUD. People really need to be more objective in defending their favored company.

I would actually favor AMD if all things being equal since I hope they stay alive.
But this info certainly needed to be made known so people can be aware of it.

AMD or Nvidia, information(not FUD) needed to be passed to consumer and leave the judgement to the buyer.

I agree. This information is completely valid. The fact that people are attacking Wreckage and not addressing the real issue only shows their own bias.

I will address the issue when Wreckage makes a thread about a flaw in G80, because we all know the card isnt perfect

But we know thats not gonna happen is it? And I dont care about this UDV thing either way... If I am biased because of that, well... Go join the HardOCP forums, theres all the Nvidia love you need
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Wreckage
I think what he is saying is, the only ATi threads you make, are ones that try and make ATi look bad. Which is actually pretty true.
I'm not denying that. I try to counter balance the forum. You are a die hard ATI defender, so I don't see the difference. I don't imagine you posting it, for example. Regardless I think it's important and worthy of discussion. Just as the partial Purevideo support in the 6800 needed to be explored.

Try to counter balance the forums? Heh. I dont make anti-NV topics. In fact, the last topic I made, put ATi in a bad light...

But yes, this needs some attention. I do recall you not thinking the purevideo problem was a problem at all though. Funny now that the shoe may be on the other foot.
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Try to counter balance the forums? Heh. I dont make anti-NV topics. In fact, the last topic I made, put ATi in a bad light...
I was not trying to single out any individual with that statement. If something bad does arise from the G80 there are plenty of people on the other side of the fence that will be on it like a sumo wrestler on a twinkie.
But yes, this needs some attention. I do recall you not thinking the purevideo problem was a problem at all though. Funny now that the shoe may be on the other foot.

I have a 6800 with the broken purevideo and it was not an issue for me, however I would not use that card in my HTPC. It's worth mentioning that people (from that side of the fence I mentioned earlier) will mention issues that happened 3 or 4 generations ago. They STILL rant about the FX when they currently have a similar situation on their hands. I guess it's all part of the fun of being in this forum.

 

soybeast

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You know how you can all act unbiased? Talk about the actual topic, not the poster for pages on end.

Post facts and sources. The smart people will figure out what's really going on. Although pointing out the fact that the poster has a greater than average tendency to be biased is relevant as it makes people more cautious about the credibility of the poster and his/her information. But please, don't attack him/her. It only puts you lower than the person you're attacking.
 

cmdrdredd

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For the record...the entire line is marketed as "HD" not just the 2900xt

They slapped it on there because HD is a big selling point these days. marketing products for HighDefinition is a good way to make people take a 2nd look.
 

ronnn

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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
And here I thought Wreckage looked pretty unbiased lately People never change lol

Who wants to help me find an obscure flaw in G80 and make a thread about it?

Just having fun I am sure. Actually the purpose of this thread was to point out that the new midrange cards from amd have an extra feature not found with the competition. Very unbiased and quite thoughtful.
 

mruffin75

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The response I got from Sapphire Tech support was:

"This new asic board design on the HD2900XT does not have an extra allocated unit in the chip for de/encoding HD contents, but is easily strong enough to do this without a special UVD section. That is why AMD decided not to include the UVD on it. If you have other question please get back with us at..."

So if this is true... I'm fine with that... Will just have to test it out somehow when my power supply arrives...
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: gunblade
First, this information is confirmed through AMD graphic spokeperson Dave.

This is an information that is legit and would help people to be more informed about their buying decision.

I see no point in attacking the messenger if he/she is not spreading FUD. People really need to be more objective in defending their favored company.

I would actually favor AMD if all things being equal since I hope they stay alive.
But this info certainly needed to be made known so people can be aware of it.

AMD or Nvidia, information(not FUD) needed to be passed to consumer and leave the judgement to the buyer.

I agree. This information is completely valid. The fact that people are attacking Wreckage and not addressing the real issue only shows their own bias.

I will address the issue when Wreckage makes a thread about a flaw in G80, because we all know the card isnt perfect

But we know thats not gonna happen is it? And I dont care about this UDV thing either way... If I am biased because of that, well... Go join the HardOCP forums, theres all the Nvidia love you need

You get more biased by the nanosecond don't you? G80 flaws have been, and will continue to be discussed here in this forum and countless others. But the only way you will acknowledge THIS topic, is if Wreckage posts another thread about a G80 flaw? What in the land of F is wrong with you? Werd.

Edited for name calling.
 

yacoub

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**runs through the lines of ATi and NVidia fanboys while yelling "MATROX FTW WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!"**

 

Auric

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S3 forevar beotches! Er, yeah.

Donut equate this to Nvidia's failed PVP on account of the original parts were defective. This is more like the 8800 simply lacking the VP2 altogether.

It makes sense because the "high-end" gaming parts are usually released first and on the biggest arse process and additionally assumes a high-end CPU.

I, for one, rarely partake of such parts so no beeg deal. Bring on the X2600.
 

dreddfunk

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The point of initiating this thread seems to have little to do with informing the consumer and much to do with picking a fight. There was some thread started the other day with the title "HD2900xt stomps the 8800gtx." I just didn't even bother to look it was such a silly attempt to pick a fight.

Such tactics have again succeeded. That's too bad. It's also too bad that the 2900xt apparently doesn't have a UVD. Then again, it probably has enough horsepower to decode HD video without one. *Sigh* Another mountain successfully made out of a molehill by the AT Video forum.

 

Keysplayr

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Like others have said, I'm sure the 2900 has enough "cahones" to do what it needs to do.
2600 has this UVD yes? So that should be nice for casual gamers that want to build HTPC's.
 

Matt2

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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: gunblade
First, this information is confirmed through AMD graphic spokeperson Dave.

This is an information that is legit and would help people to be more informed about their buying decision.

I see no point in attacking the messenger if he/she is not spreading FUD. People really need to be more objective in defending their favored company.

I would actually favor AMD if all things being equal since I hope they stay alive.
But this info certainly needed to be made known so people can be aware of it.

AMD or Nvidia, information(not FUD) needed to be passed to consumer and leave the judgement to the buyer.

I agree. This information is completely valid. The fact that people are attacking Wreckage and not addressing the real issue only shows their own bias.

I will address the issue when Wreckage makes a thread about a flaw in G80, because we all know the card isnt perfect

But we know thats not gonna happen is it? And I dont care about this UDV thing either way... If I am biased because of that, well... Go join the HardOCP forums, theres all the Nvidia love you need

You're not making sense.

So if an AMD fanboy had posted this instead of a Nvidia fanboy, the information provided would have been more valid?
 

Wreckage

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http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/12552

I've just learned something that compels me to publish a major correction to our review of the Radeon HD 2900 XT GPU. I got the clear, distinct impression from AMD's presentations, statements, and conversations with me at its Radeon HD press event that its new UVD video decode acceleration logic was present in its entire lineup of Radeon HD graphics chips, and I relayed that information to you in our review of the product, promising to follow up with tests of this feature at a later date.

True to my word, I set out yesterday to test HD video decode acceleration on a Radeon HD 2900 XT using an HD DVD drive and a version of PowerDVD supplied by AMD for such purposes. To my surprise, CPU utilization during playback on our Core 2 Extreme X6800 test system ran between 40 and 50%, well above what one would expect from a solution with full HD video decode acceleration.

Naturally, I contacted AMD to inquire about the problem. I received a reply from AMD's David Baumann discussing the issue that ended with this revelation:

"Be aware, though, that HD 2900 XT itself does not feature UVD, this is specific to 2600 and 2400, so the levels of CPU utilization you see should be somewhat similar to the previous generation. "

The UVD logic handles the CPU-intensive bitstream processing and entropy decode acceleration portions of the HD video playback pipeline. These are the most notable video decode acceleration capabilities that would separate the Radeon HD 2900 series from its direct competition, the GeForce 8800 series, if the HD 2900 XT actually had them. Turns out it does not. As the email states, the video playback capabilities of the Radeon HD 2900 XT are essentially similar to those of the previous-gen Radeon X1950.
 

Matthias99

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Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Why do I care about this?

KT

You care about it if your CPU isn't fast enough to decode 1080p HD content and you wanted to get an X2900XT to handle both that and gaming duties. ATI/AMD were billing the 'end-to-end' HD video decode as a feature of the new line of cards.

:thumbsdown:

They should have been clearer in describing the acceleration features, as several sources seemed to be reporting that they were present in the X2900 when they are not.
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Why do I care about this?

KT

You care about it if your CPU isn't fast enough to decode 1080p HD content and you wanted to get an X2900XT to handle both that and gaming duties. ATI/AMD were billing the 'end-to-end' HD video decode as a feature of the new line of cards.

:thumbsdown:

They should have been clearer in describing the acceleration features, as several sources seemed to be reporting that they were present in the X2900 when they are not.

Oh, ok, so I don't care. But I could see how some people would.

Boo to AMD for misrepresentin'!

KT
 

Keysplayr

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Not caring here either. I generally watch movies on my TV with a DVD player. I try not to sit in front of my PC THAT much as I use mine for work to. I don't want to start sprouting vegitation.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: gunblade
First, this information is confirmed through AMD graphic spokeperson Dave.

This is an information that is legit and would help people to be more informed about their buying decision.

I see no point in attacking the messenger if he/she is not spreading FUD. People really need to be more objective in defending their favored company.

I would actually favor AMD if all things being equal since I hope they stay alive.
But this info certainly needed to be made known so people can be aware of it.

AMD or Nvidia, information(not FUD) needed to be passed to consumer and leave the judgement to the buyer.

I agree. This information is completely valid. The fact that people are attacking Wreckage and not addressing the real issue only shows their own bias.

I will address the issue when Wreckage makes a thread about a flaw in G80, because we all know the card isnt perfect

But we know thats not gonna happen is it? And I dont care about this UDV thing either way... If I am biased because of that, well... Go join the HardOCP forums, theres all the Nvidia love you need

You're not making sense.

So if an AMD fanboy had posted this instead of a Nvidia fanboy, the information provided would have been more valid?

Read Dreddfunk's post, point is if this was posted by an AMD fan it would be with the purpose to actual INFORM people, but Wreckage? Give me a break, you know perfectly he just wants to make Ati fans mad

When was the last time he made a thread about Purevideo? Hmmm never? It isnt perfect you know
 

Wreckage

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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Read Dreddfunk's post, point is if this was posted by an AMD fan it would be with the purpose to actual INFORM people, but Wreckage? Give me a break, you know perfectly he just wants to make Ati fans mad

When was the last time he made a thread about Purevideo? Hmmm never? It isnt perfect you know

I guess using your logic, would an AMD fan post this?

Considering how many have decried my posting it, seems doubtful.

So many hypocritical posts against me, I wonder if they even taste the irony?
 
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