2900XT vs 8800GTS 320

[Wreckage]

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...w2LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

This evaluation is the embodiment of what video card value is to the gamer. We have a video card, the 320 MB GeForce 8800 GTS at around $289 providing a noticeable gameplay experience advantage compared to the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT that costs $409. In some cases the performance gap is very wide (S.T.A.K.E.R. and BF 2142), in other games performance is closer (Oblivion, Lost Planet), but in most cases the 320 MB GeForce 8800 GTS is providing higher framerates than the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT sometimes equating to a better gaming experience.

 

[pcslookout]

Interesting. Hope anandtech does one as well.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Funny how HOCP comes up with a completely different conclusion than tweaktown or xbit labs or any other recent review site... I wonder why :roll:

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny how HOCP comes up with a completely different conclusion than tweaktown or xbit labs or any other recent review site... I wonder why :roll:

Add that to the fact that wreckage isn't exactily non-biased... None the less, I am happy for another review, even if the review is shoddy and pathetic! I am just glad people ARE retesting these cards. I am pretty much waiting on AT, TH to do a rest before I will judge if the card can hold it's own.

I will also trust Apopp's review...

 

[Keysplayr]

Just listen to the two of you.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny how HOCP comes up with a completely different conclusion than tweaktown or xbit labs or any other recent review site... I wonder why :roll:

Add that to the fact that wreckage isn't exactily non-biased... None the less, I am happy for another review, even if the review is shoddy and pathetic! I am just glad people ARE retesting these cards. I am pretty much waiting on AT, TH to do a rest before I will judge if the card can hold it's own.

I will also trust Apopp's review...

Its just amazing how other sites place the 2900XT between the GTS640 and the GTX, and somehow HOCP places it below the GTS320... IF that doesnt scream biased I dont know what does

I bet they could somehow make the FX look better than the 9700 PRO

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny how HOCP comes up with a completely different conclusion than tweaktown or xbit labs or any other recent review site... I wonder why :roll:

Add that to the fact that wreckage isn't exactily non-biased... None the less, I am happy for another review, even if the review is shoddy and pathetic! I am just glad people ARE retesting these cards. I am pretty much waiting on AT, TH to do a rest before I will judge if the card can hold it's own.

I will also trust Apopp's review...

Its just amazing how other sites place the 2900XT between the GTS640 and the GTX, and somehow HOCP places it below the GTS320... IF that doesnt scream biased I dont know what does

I bet they could somehow make the FX look better than the 9700 PRO

And amazingly, you still haven't told us what H has done wrong in their benching? Did they make numerous mistakes? Inadvertently ran the 2900XT at a higher res than the GTS's?

What is it? What is funny? OUT WITH IT!!!

 

[Munky]

NVOCP says the 320mb 8800gts is better, what a surprise:roll: Then they do an unreplicable apples to oranges comparison that can't be cross-validated with other reviews.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

If they would have used identical setting for all cards then that review would actually mean something.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused
If they would have used identical setting for all cards then that review would actually mean something.

Thats the whole point. They said they had to reduce settings sometimes on the 2900 to get playable framerates. Last year you guys just LUV'd H and their method of benching. This year? Not to thrilled with it?

I'll admit, I didn't like their method at first, but it actually gave more information than most other sites about the playability of games. So what was so different from last year to this year?

 

[Munky]

I never liked their review style. That's like testing a civic vs. a mustang, and saying "to get enjoyable driving out of the civic we had to rice it up a bit with things like NOS, new suspension and a turbo, and look - the civic is faster!"

 

[dadach]

fecking yawn at the review, and double yawn at, always the same, nvidiot trolls

 

[bfdd]

I don't really see any bias here other than you guys who disagree with the review. They clearly state that they had to run the hd2900xt with some settings turned off to get it playable and even then the frames of the 320mb GTS were on par? So wtf are you guys talking about?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky
I never liked their review style. That's like testing a civic vs. a mustang, and saying "to get enjoyable driving out of the civic we had to rice it up a bit with things like NOS, new suspension and a turbo, and look - the civic is faster!"

No munky. You can race a civic against a mustang. You just need to give the civic the break and several car lengths to be competitive at the finish line. Similar to reducing eye candy to allow the 2900XT to play at the same playable framerates as the GTS in SOME games.

You gave the perfect analogy and didn't realize it.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: bfdd
I don't really see any bias here other than you guys who disagree with the review. They clearly state that they had to run the hd2900xt with some settings turned off to get it playable and even then the frames of the 320mb GTS were on par? So wtf are you guys talking about?

They simply do not like the results. And have to discredit the site. Simple as that. They will direct you to another site with entirely different results and declare it a decent review, as long as they like the outcome and conclusion. I'm long past even thinking of doing that crap anymore.

 

[bfdd]

I've read the other reviews, but I just fail to see how this is biased or that they tried to skew the results. They are actually far more documented in what they did that MANY other sites I've read the reviews on.

 

[yacoub]

So the 2900 was given some extra help and it still didn't measure up. And it runs hotter and is louder. Yeah, not interested.

 

[ArchAngel777]

I never claimed the site was biased, just the well known fact that Wreckage is biased. This is the *second* review of the 2900XT since the initial release. So we have one review saying it is on par with a 8800GTX and one review saying it cannot even keep up with the 8800GTS. If I am not willing to take the review that shows the 2900XT in a good light, then why would I be willing to accept the review that shows the 2900XT dominated?

This review, in my opinion, was shoddy. That doesn't mean their numbers are false, fake, I just think the review was a P.O.S. regardless of their numbers. So they are stating the card runs like crap - ok, lets wait and see what AT/TH have to say about it when they retest.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
I never claimed the site was biased, just the well known fact that Wreckage is biased. This is the *second* review of the 2900XT since the initial release. So we have one review saying it is on par with a 8800GTX and one review saying it cannot even keep up with the 8800GTS. If I am not willing to take the review that shows the 2900XT in a good light, then why would I be willing to accept the review that shows the 2900XT dominated?

This review, in my opinion, was shoddy. That doesn't mean their numbers are false, fake, I just think the review was a P.O.S. regardless of their numbers. So they are stating the card runs like crap - ok, lets wait and see what AT/TH have to say about it when they retest.

I NEVER read a review saying it was on par with a 8800 GTX, infact I've read all the opposite. I've read it's on par if not slightly faster than an 8800 GTS, but it still is no where close to a 8800 GTX infact ATs review clearly shows an 8800 GTX SINGLE is faster than it in Xfire so wtf?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused
If they would have used identical setting for all cards then that review would actually mean something.

Thats the whole point. They said they had to reduce settings sometimes on the 2900 to get playable framerates. Last year you guys just LUV'd H and their method of benching. This year? Not to thrilled with it?

I'll admit, I didn't like their method at first, but it actually gave more information than most other sites about the playability of games. So what was so different from last year to this year?

i never liked it ... it is a stupid review style that depends on the reviewer's "judgement" as to what is "playable" or not

for HardOCP, it appears that the x2900xt needs at least 5 FPS more at identical settings to be "playable"

i'd say nvidia Bought HardOCP, lock stock and barrel ... they OWN it

i'd say they are completely full of crap on STALKER .. and we'll see ... i trust myself far more then i do the HardOCP nvida fanboys

i have a fast enough system to bench it but my only problem is that i don't have a GTS to compare with my xt

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: bfdd

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
I never claimed the site was biased, just the well known fact that Wreckage is biased. This is the *second* review of the 2900XT since the initial release. So we have one review saying it is on par with a 8800GTX and one review saying it cannot even keep up with the 8800GTS. If I am not willing to take the review that shows the 2900XT in a good light, then why would I be willing to accept the review that shows the 2900XT dominated?

This review, in my opinion, was shoddy. That doesn't mean their numbers are false, fake, I just think the review was a P.O.S. regardless of their numbers. So they are stating the card runs like crap - ok, lets wait and see what AT/TH have to say about it when they retest.

I NEVER read a review saying it was on par with a 8800 GTX, infact I've read all the opposite. I've read it's on par if not slightly faster than an 8800 GTS, but it still is no where close to a 8800 GTX infact ATs review clearly shows an 8800 GTX SINGLE is faster than it in Xfire so wtf?

1) http://www.techspot.com/review...asus-radeon-hd-2900xt/

2) Were not talking about Initial reviews. Reading comprehension FTW.

3) So lets wait and see?

 

[aka1nas]

Other than BF2142, it seemed like they went out of their way to avoid situations that show off the GTS 320MB card's weaknesses. They never went past 2xAA in the other games. It wasn't a performance thing either, as they ran games at settings that produced anywhere from 60+ fps to under 30fps.

From the majority of other reviews of the GTS 320 as well as several complaints from forum members of the forum, there is pretty solid evidence that the GTS 320 craps out with 1600x1200 + with 4x+ AA in most games. There are a few here and there that evidently don't use enough video memory to cause this, but there are plenty of games that do have problems with the card at settings that people would actually want to use.

 

[n7]

Hard OCP's reviews = hilarious nV biased joke.

Their initial review's results didn't match up with basically all the other reviews out there.

Now they must retest to prove their bias apparently?

I'm not going to even read their garbage.

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused
If they would have used identical setting for all cards then that review would actually mean something.

Thats the whole point. They said they had to reduce settings sometimes on the 2900 to get playable framerates. Last year you guys just LUV'd H and their method of benching. This year? Not to thrilled with it?

I'll admit, I didn't like their method at first, but it actually gave more information than most other sites about the playability of games. So what was so different from last year to this year?

i never liked it ... it is a stupid review style that depends on the reviewer's "judgement" as to what is "playable" or not

for HardOCP, it appears that the x2900xt needs at least 5 FPS more at identical settings to be "playable"

i'd say nvidia Bought HardOCP, lock stock and barrel ... they OWN it

i'd say they are completely full of crap on STALKER .. and we'll see ... i trust myself far more then i do the HardOCP nvida fanboys

i have a fast enough system to bench it but my only problem is that i don't have a GTS to compare with my xt

Sorry Appopin, now your pulling stories out of your arse bud.....Please show where you get the bias from in the review?....and what is with the Nvidia bought HardOCP, that sounds like trolling to me....

Everybody is allowed an opinion, just because you dont agree with their judgment, doesnt make it wrong or unfair..

ATI dropped the ball again, this hardware seriously needs better optimized drivers

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: SolMiester

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Dazed and Confused
If they would have used identical setting for all cards then that review would actually mean something.

Thats the whole point. They said they had to reduce settings sometimes on the 2900 to get playable framerates. Last year you guys just LUV'd H and their method of benching. This year? Not to thrilled with it?

I'll admit, I didn't like their method at first, but it actually gave more information than most other sites about the playability of games. So what was so different from last year to this year?

i never liked it ... it is a stupid review style that depends on the reviewer's "judgement" as to what is "playable" or not

for HardOCP, it appears that the x2900xt needs at least 5 FPS more at identical settings to be "playable"

i'd say nvidia Bought HardOCP, lock stock and barrel ... they OWN it

i'd say they are completely full of crap on STALKER .. and we'll see ... i trust myself far more then i do the HardOCP nvida fanboys

i have a fast enough system to bench it but my only problem is that i don't have a GTS to compare with my xt

Sorry Appopin, now your pulling stories out of your arse bud.....Please show where you get the bias from in the review?....and what is with the Nvidia bought HardOCP, that sounds like trolling to me....

Everybody is allowed an opinion, just because you dont agree with their judgment, doesnt make it wrong or unfair..

ATI dropped the ball again, this hardware seriously needs better optimized drivers

If we sit back and read his post, I would say he expressed his opinion, the one that you "allowed"... Is he still allowed that opinion?

Apop is certainly not a troll... You must be new around here if you think so.