2990wx watercooling try 2

[Markfw]

Can you link your preferred type of this size ? amazon or newegg. I can wait to get the water cooling working, but I do want compression fittings, but I don't like these.
XSPC G1/4" to 1/2" ID, 3/4" OD Compression Fitting V2 for Soft Tubing, Black Chrome, 8-pack

Is what These are.

 

[StefanR5R]

For easier tightening of the compression rings, I have used distilled water occasionally as a lubricant.

Fittings need to match the tubing's ID/OD, obviously.

I have always used EPDM tubing (aiming for longevity of the loops), and find it very well workable with fittings that are specified for the matching ID/OD (mine: 3/8", 5/8").

Edit,
most of the compression fittings that I used (i.e., when not barb fittings), were from EKWB. These fittings can be tightened as well as unscrewed with an Allen key, which I found quite helpful at times. (The compression ring is always to be tightened by hand only.)

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This 500 W argument that is going on here seems like a deliberate misunderstanding of which "socket" is being discussed.

 

[Fir]

Do you have to buy from Amazon or Newegg?
Bitspower compressions will work.
OR just buy G2 1/2" bitspower full barbs and use worm gear clamps! You will NEVER have to worry about it leaking or coming apart.

You can see in the builder's thread how I attached the hose to my block.

Newegg has the bitspower ones:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAEKS6SK5782&cm_re=bitspower_1/2_compression-_-9SIAEKS6SK5782-_-Product

It's a four pack and they are pricey.

Or use barbs like these:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAEKS6SK6007&cm_re=bitspower_1/2"_barb-_-9SIAEKS6SK6007-_-Product

And some of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Koehler-Enterprises-KE20BX-Piece-Clamp/dp/B00XAK72Q2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1534544469&sr=8-3&keywords=stainless+steel+hose+clamps+3/4&th=1

I prefer Ideal brand but those will work just fine since it's low temp and low pressure.

This 500 W argument that is going on here seems like a deliberate misunderstanding of which "socket" is being discussed.

Makes no difference, comes down to fundamentals. If this was RRTech it would be comedy gold.

 

[StefanR5R]

This 500 W argument that is going on here seems like a deliberate misunderstanding of which "socket" is being discussed.

Makes no difference, comes down to fundamentals. If this was RRTech it would be comedy gold.

Well, I didn't think of socket 2066 vs socket TR4 or something, but rather CPU socket vs. wall outlet.

 

[Markfw]

Mark:

Don't use dishwashing fluid!!! YIKES!!!!!

You do NOT want to contaminate your tubing. It's a closed loop system it needs to be kept clean! If your tubing is stiff you can use a hair dryer to soften it. I've never seen fittings like that before. Bitpower and Koolance compressions work smoothly and by hand don't have this issue. If any sharp metal is present and cuts into the tubing walls it can/will cause a leak!

Its not stiff (bending) its just that the fitting is so tight, the surface resistance is very high, Different tubing or ???

 

[aigomorla]

XSPC's make one of the best compressions....
If you dont like them, there isnt much others you will like...

Sigh...
If your having a hard time sliding the compression over, its fine to use diluted soap water, your not using it inside the tubing, your only using it as a lube to slide the compression over.
However as Stefan also stated, sometimes just distilled water will be enough.... its up to you and your judgement.... but the tubing isnt too pourous to the point where using soap water on the OUTSIDE of the tubing will contaminate your loop.



You can get:

Bitspower: _dont like these, the xspcs have a notch in the barb area for a quarter to tighten, these dont, and as others stated, you need a large hex wrench.
https://www.amazon.com/Bitspower-Compression-Fitting-Tubing-Ultimate/dp/B01LYH8DZT/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1534545809&sr=8-9&keywords=bitspower+compression+fittings&th=1

Swiftech: These a bit more bulkier then the XSPC's
https://www.amazon.com/Swiftech-Lok...sr=1-4&keywords=swiftech+compression+fittings

Barrow: Pretty much identical to XSPC's...
https://www.amazon.com/Barrow-Compr...4&sr=1-4&keywords=barrow+compression+fittings

Monsoon: I really like these, however they are very pricey, but they come with tools.
https://www.amazon.com/Monsoon-Cent...&sr=1-5&keywords=monsoon+compression+fittings

Koolance: (meh... id honestly look past these... they are soso.... barrow or xspc's would honestly be my first recomendations)
https://www.amazon.com/Koolance-Com...&keywords=koolance+compression+fittings&psc=1

EK: (id only buy these if you wanted the unique colors which monsoon's didnt offer...)
https://www.amazon.com/EKWB-EK-ACF-...&sr=1-7&keywords=ek+compression+fittings+soft

I prefer compressions because you dont need to use clamps.
I recommend always having some form of clamp and NEVER run a tube with barb straight...
Again compression fittings are clamp design, so it kills 2 birds with 1 stone and also looks clean.

 

[Markfw]

Do you have to buy from Amazon or Newegg?
Bitspower compressions will work.
OR just buy G2 1/2" bitspower full barbs and use worm gear clamps! You will NEVER have to worry about it leaking or coming apart.

You can see in the builder's thread how I attached the hose to my block.

Newegg has the bitspower ones:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAEKS6SK5782&cm_re=bitspower_1/2_compression-_-9SIAEKS6SK5782-_-Product

It's a four pack and they are pricey.

Or use barbs like these:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAEKS6SK6007&cm_re=bitspower_1/2"_barb-_-9SIAEKS6SK6007-_-Product

And some of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Koehler-Enterprises-KE20BX-Piece-Clamp/dp/B00XAK72Q2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1534544469&sr=8-3&keywords=stainless+steel+hose+clamps+3/4&th=1

I prefer Ideal brand but those will work just fine since it's low temp and low pressure.



Makes no difference, comes down to fundamentals. If this was RRTech it would be comedy gold.

How about these ? same except silver and $24 for 4 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LYH8DZT/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3GO5VFCNOM5I7&psc=1

 

[Fir]

Sounds like the ferrule's ID is a bit small for that tubing. Heat would soften it but if it's got a sharp edge it's going to bind into the wall and not go anywhere. You could lube it carefully. Just don't want to get ANYTHING inside the tubing OR your block.

I've used mostly Tygon or Norprene tubing for low pressure builds. Norprene is amazing stuff, it's soft and just works. It does kink easy so if you have to push it up against a corner I recommend using a bend resist spring (plastic) over the outside of the tubing where the bend is.

EDIT:

Just saw your post. The silvers look good. I believe those are silver plated. Silver has antimicrobial qualities which is good but it has to be extremely pure silver and I'm not sure I'd believe that. For that reason I always recommend a strip or coil of silver (1 per 1liter of total coolant volume) in the system.

 

[Markfw]

XSPC's make one of the best compressions....
If you dont like them, there isnt much others you will like...

Sigh...
If your having a hard time sliding the compression over, its fine to use diluted soap water, your not using it inside the tubing, your only using it as a lube to slide the compression over.
However as Stefan also stated, sometimes just distilled water will be enough.... its up to you and your judgement.... but the tubing isnt too pourous to the point where using soap water on the OUTSIDE of the tubing will contaminate your loop.



You can get:

Bitspower: _dont like these, the xspcs have a notch in the barb area for a quarter to tighten, these dont, and as others stated, you need a large hex wrench.
https://www.amazon.com/Bitspower-Compression-Fitting-Tubing-Ultimate/dp/B01LYH8DZT/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1534545809&sr=8-9&keywords=bitspower+compression+fittings&th=1

Swiftech: These a bit more bulkier then the XSPC's
https://www.amazon.com/Swiftech-Lok...sr=1-4&keywords=swiftech+compression+fittings

Barrow: Pretty much identical to XSPC's...
https://www.amazon.com/Barrow-Compr...4&sr=1-4&keywords=barrow+compression+fittings

Monsoon: I really like these, however they are very pricey, but they come with tools.
https://www.amazon.com/Monsoon-Cent...&sr=1-5&keywords=monsoon+compression+fittings

Koolance: (meh... id honestly look past these... they are soso.... barrow or xspc's would honestly be my first recomendations)
https://www.amazon.com/Koolance-Com...&keywords=koolance+compression+fittings&psc=1

EK: (id only buy these if you wanted the unique colors which monsoon's didnt offer...)
https://www.amazon.com/EKWB-EK-ACF-...&sr=1-7&keywords=ek+compression+fittings+soft

The bitspower look like they have multiple barbs, so they may seal better ? and more wide on the part where you tighten, I like those. What do you think ?

 

[aigomorla]

The bitspower look like they have multiple barbs, so they may seal better ? and more wide on the part where you tighten, I like those. What do you think ?

id honestly spend a bit more and grab the monsoons if you didnt like the XSPC.
But im telling you now, quality wise bitspower is less then XSPC in compression fittings, having tried both.

https://www.amazon.com/Monsoon-Cent...-5&keywords=monsoon+compression+fittings&th=1

Cheaper versions in just standard chrome.

 

[dlerious]

Its not stiff (bending) its just that the fitting is so tight, the surface resistance is very high, Different tubing or ???

Different tubing would be the cheapest option. Here's some I've used in a different size:

Bitspower
https://www.amazon.com/Bitspower-Co...ments=p_89:EKWB|Monsoon|Bitspower|Barrow&th=1

Barrow
https://www.amazon.com/Barrow-Compr...efinements=p_89:EKWB|Monsoon|Bitspower|Barrow

EKWB
https://www.amazon.com/EKWB-EK-ACF-...efinements=p_89:EKWB|Monsoon|Bitspower|Barrow

Monsoon
https://www.amazon.com/Monsoon-Comp...ments=p_89:EKWB|Monsoon|Bitspower|Barrow&th=1

 

[Markfw]

id honestly spend a bit more and grab the monsoons if you didnt like the XSPC.
But im telling you now, quality wise bitspower is less then XSPC in compression fittings, having tried both.

https://www.amazon.com/Monsoon-Center-Compression-Fitting-Tubing/dp/B00F956MEE/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1534545996&sr=1-5&keywords=monsoon+compression+fittings&th=1

Cheaper versions in just standard chrome.

Thanks, I ordered those.

 

[aigomorla]

Different tubing would be the cheapest option. Here's some I've used in a different size:

he would have the change his barbs if he went different tubing size.
Unless u mean different brand...

I dont understand why he's having so much problems with the primochill LRT's... they are probably the best soft tubing in our hobby, and do not cloud up as bad as tygons over time.




Mark you can try a different brand.. maybe the batch of LRT you got is bad...
Here is XSPC's tubing:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AZJZ30..._rd_r=53B6KEEM49V2RDEXJSA3&pd_rd_w=5mtgc&th=1

Masterkleer is about the budget brand of our hobby as well:
https://www.amazon.com/Masterkleer-Tubing-13mm-19mm-meters/dp/B0056Z5TIC/ref=sr_1_14_sspa?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1534547564&sr=1-14-spons&keywords=masterkleer+tubing&th=1

You can also use Tygon.... but you wont find that on amazon in the lengths you require.
You will probably need to head over to Performance-pcs.com

 

[Markfw]

I tried one of the XPSC, since that who makes half my stuff I have. 6 feet might do it

I just noticed on my tubing case it came with 2 tubes of something, one called sysprep, and one called utopia, with no instructions. Do you know what those are for ?

Edit: one looks like a cleaner before you start, and one an additive for long term use.

 

[aigomorla]

dont use those additives... they are garbage....

 

[dlerious]

he would have the change his barbs if he went different tubing size.
Unless u mean different brand...

I dont understand why he's having so much problems with the primochill LRT's... they are probably the best soft tubing in our hobby, and do not cloud up as bad as tygons over time.

I meant I use 3/8 x 5/8 instead of 1/2 x 3/4. I've used Primochill LRT in my last couple of builds and EK ZMT in one. Haven't noticed any problems with either - though the EK is black, so it's harder to tell, have to use water in res as an indicator unless I want to pull it apart and try looking inside.

 

[Markfw]

OK, its together, and one leak found/maybe fixed. But there is a lot of air in the lines. Does the radiator have to have its inlet/outlet at the bottom ?

 

[Markfw]

OK, most of the air is out, but this thing is noisy ! Sounds like a mini shower in there, or water running or ??

Leak test underway:

 

[aigomorla]

its probably your radiator purging air....
let it run a bit, and the rad should purge...

also keep filling that res.

Other then that it looks like a clean and small loop.

And no the rad does not need to have its inlet/outlet at the bottom.
Infact most run the inlet and outlet at the top.

The only time i will advise is when you have the radiator mounted at the top horizontally with the barbs facing down.

This can lead to bleeding nightmares because it can get very difficult to bleed the rads when you have that big bubble at the very top.

 

[Markfw]

OK, I played around moving the water block around, twice now, and each time the air noise got a lot worse. reservoir is only down less then a quarter of an inch. Letting it run more. I don't think I have any leaks. May run overnight.

Oh, and BTW, the pump uses sata, so I had to get an adapter for that molex on the PSU ( the $15 one I am using to purge)

 

[aigomorla]

make sure ur not using sata adapters which are molded... like these:

Those are prone to catching fire... ive lost way too many from fire to count that i avoid those now like a plauge.
I think its because when they are molded like that, there is a higher chance of the 12V_+/- to cross, and it just catches fire....

Make sure the sata head is like this:

You see how each wire has its own slot so wire cross is not possible...

 

[Markfw]

How long should I leak test ?

 

[aigomorla]

anywhere from 6-24 hours

I usually leak test for 30 min... and then just run it live while keeping an eye on it with toilet paper wraped around the barb area.

 

[Markfw]

BTW, my only leak was where I inserted the silver coil, and did not push it far enough in the hose, and it interfered with the seal. So I removed the adapter/barb, push the coil WAY farther in, then re-installed. Good so far, lesson learned. Now its a couple of inches from the pump input.

 

[Markfw]

OK, so its up and running at 1.3 vcore and 4 ghz. But the video card is all over the place on utilization for seti. Anyway, its only drawing 450 watts from the wall, and not sure how much of that is CPU. But without a 20 inch box fan blowing on the 3 120 mm rad fans, it goes way over 85c. With that on, it spikes at 82, but gets as low at 65.

So what is wrong ? or is this normal ?

And the pump is at 2. t goes to 5. Should I put it higher ? Is that the problem ? With a 360x60 mm rad ?