2nd Generation 37GB Raptors DO NOT EXIST...

[fkloster]

[rant]...and may never exist. Please mods pin this statement for the hordes of noobs who seem to go about their business 'assuming' that 2nd generation 37GB Raptors are readily available. [/rant]

 

[Schadenfroh]

j00 suck at teh ranting

 

[fredtam]

There will also be a corresponding single-platter 37 GB unit. Interestingly, the new Raptors will still use an onboard PATA-to-SATA bridge disdained by many enthusiasts. When hot-swap functionality, command queuing, and the potential for blazing performance remain, however, why should we care? Performance and functionality, not PCB layouts, remain the bottom line.

 

[fkloster]

Originally posted by: fredtam
There will also be a corresponding single-platter 37 GB unit. Interestingly, the new Raptors will still use an onboard PATA-to-SATA bridge disdained by many enthusiasts. When hot-swap functionality, command queuing, and the potential for blazing performance remain, however, why should we care? Performance and functionality, not PCB layouts, remain the bottom line.

Like I said... there is NO new 37gb raptor available period.

 

[RIGorous1]

but there will be a 37gb unit...

 

[beatle]

I think we all knew what he meant. It's frustrating for those who are waiting for the new 37 gig drive (me!) and there is no release date.

 

[fredtam]

You shouldn't expect newer ones on the market until the supply of the old ones dwindles. It shouldn't be long since the FDBs are showing up on the higher capacity caviar drives.

 

[NFS4]

Bah, I have a NEW 74GB Raptor (just came in today) so

 

[Dug]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Bah, I have a NEW 74GB Raptor (just came in today) so

I want to know how it compares to your 37gb's in raid.

Can't decide if I'm going to get the 74g or wait for 37's.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Dug

Originally posted by: NFS4
Bah, I have a NEW 74GB Raptor (just came in today) so

I want to know how it compares to your 37gb's in raid.

Can't decide if I'm going to get the 74g or wait for 37's.

I haven't run any benchamrks yet, but it is MUCH quiter.

 

[sharkeeper]

What's the big deal?

This is not a suitable product if your i/o needs are primary and cost is secondary. That's what SCSI is for and will always be.

Cheers!

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam
What's the big deal?

This is not a suitable product if your i/o needs are primary and cost is secondary. That's what SCSI is for and will always be.

However it is a suitable product if BOTH i/o needs and cost are primary concerns (gone are the days where performance is primary at all costs - for the most part). It'll dominate most other hard drives in performance, and the cost is far less than the good performing SCSI drives.

Maxtor Atlas 15k: $556 for 74 GB,
Fujitsu MAS3735: $516 for 74 GB,
WD Raptor: $272 for 74 GB.

And that doesn't include the SCSI controller cost that most users don't have. Similar trends will be seen with the 37 GB models.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam
What's the big deal?

This is not a suitable product if your i/o needs are primary and cost is secondary. That's what SCSI is for and will always be.

It's actually a better drive for gamers than SCSI, since most motherboards come with SATA now and 10K gives a big boost over 7200 RPM for loading map levels.

I almost ordered one with my box of newegg parts last week, for the P4 3.2 I'm building, but decided to wait and see if the quieter 7200 RPM drives I ordered are fast enough for me. From what people say about the 74GB the seeks are still a little loud even though the idle is quiet.

 

[sharkeeper]

The MAS 15k drives will totally dominate the Raptor. No comparison. It's like an Eclipse turbo racing a 993 twin turbo!

I suppose if you're stuck in the low end with onboard SATA and no PCI-X chipset, they'll do ok.

I just built a 3.2GHz system with 1GB Corsair (the new memory with LED's--I like those!) and a pair of 74GB raptors in RAID0 and frankly am not impressed with the system "snap". I guess I'm spoiled rotten with 1GB/S SCSI RAID systems. (Can someone explain why the NFS Underground Demo refuses to install on such a system? I managed to run it by unzipping a compressed folder and launching the exe from there, but it appears that this riceboy game--which is addictive as crack btw-- doesn't like four way systems!)

The FDB motors on the new turkeys practically eliminate the buzzy high pitched whine of their previous cousins. What a relief that will be to the quiet pc freaks.

Cheers!

 

[Dug]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Dug

Originally posted by: NFS4
Bah, I have a NEW 74GB Raptor (just came in today) so

I want to know how it compares to your 37gb's in raid.

Can't decide if I'm going to get the 74g or wait for 37's.

I haven't run any benchamrks yet, but it is MUCH quiter.

No benchmarks needed. Just general impressions on how it feels.

I'm using large files, so i'm wondering if I should go raid or work between two seperate drives.

 

[beatle]

The Raptor destroys SCSI in a price/performance race. Heck, it beats ALL drives in the Officemark High End benchmark. In Bootup and Gaming, it's beaten by SCSI, but only by 10-15%. Servers are still the domain of SCSI, however, which is no surprise. For a few dollars more, maybe I'd bite. For over 2x the price? Not a chance!

FWIW, the servers @ work with RAID 5 15k rpm MAS drives do not feel all that quick when doing one thing at a time (which the performance profile of many desktop users.)

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Dug

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Dug

Originally posted by: NFS4
Bah, I have a NEW 74GB Raptor (just came in today) so

I want to know how it compares to your 37gb's in raid.

Can't decide if I'm going to get the 74g or wait for 37's.

I haven't run any benchamrks yet, but it is MUCH quiter.

No benchmarks needed. Just general impressions on how it feels.

I'm using large files, so i'm wondering if I should go raid or work between two seperate drives.

Well, it sure does FEEL fast. I installed Windows XP Pro, Office 2003 Pro, and XP SP2 beta in under 25 mins or so.

 

[FishTankX]

Originally posted by: beatle
The Raptor destroys SCSI in a price/performance race. Heck, it beats ALL drives in the Officemark High End benchmark. In Bootup and Gaming, it's beaten by SCSI, but only by 10-15%. Servers are still the domain of SCSI, however, which is no surprise. For a few dollars more, maybe I'd bite. For over 2x the price? Not a chance!

FWIW, the servers @ work with RAID 5 15k rpm MAS drives do not feel all that quick when doing one thing at a time (which the performance profile of many desktop users.)

That's probably because they're tuned for mutlitasking over single tasking. It's in their blood (firmware/caching algorithms).

I'm sure they'd excell at audio and such, which requires obscene temp files.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: beatle
The Raptor destroys SCSI in a price/performance race. Heck, it beats ALL drives in the Officemark High End benchmark. In Bootup and Gaming, it's beaten by SCSI, but only by 10-15%. Servers are still the domain of SCSI, however, which is no surprise. For a few dollars more, maybe I'd bite. For over 2x the price? Not a chance!

FWIW, the servers @ work with RAID 5 15k rpm MAS drives do not feel all that quick when doing one thing at a time (which the performance profile of many desktop users.)

Seagate 73GB 10,000RPM SCSI Hard Drive, Model ST373307LC, OEM Drive Only $339.00

How's that twice the price of $272?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Bah, I have a NEW 74GB Raptor (just came in today) so

I've had one running for 2 weeks or so now. It smokes.

hdparm -tT /dev/hde3

/dev/hde3:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 2152 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1075.09 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 176 MB in 3.03 seconds = 58.00 MB/sec

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: fredtam
You shouldn't expect newer ones on the market until the supply of the old ones dwindles. It shouldn't be long since the FDBs are showing up on the higher capacity caviar drives.

That's not how technology are released. The newer ones would just be priced higher than the older drives. Imagine if manufacturers always waited until the older technolgoy was depleted before releasing newer ones...

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: fredtam
You shouldn't expect newer ones on the market until the supply of the old ones dwindles. It shouldn't be long since the FDBs are showing up on the higher capacity caviar drives.

That's not how technology are released. The newer ones would just be priced higher than the older drives. Imagine if manufacturers always waited until the older technolgoy was depleted before releasing newer ones...

I agree with you, but this time the new 37Gig raptors are not going to release it as seperate from the old- it'll still come under the same number

 

[fredtam]

Thats how western digital works. There have been times you could get a hd under the same model number but with updated platters and such at the same price. No way to tell the difference until you got them. This keeps vendors from getting stuck with the old crap because unless trhe price difference is large most people will go with the newer. It would be different if they were going to continue production of the old one. Then they may have them set at different price points. You will find that when they do come out the price will be a little higher but thats because vendors want to milk you while its still considered the latest and greatest.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: beatle
The Raptor destroys SCSI in a price/performance race. Heck, it beats ALL drives in the Officemark High End benchmark. In Bootup and Gaming, it's beaten by SCSI, but only by 10-15%.

All the 15k scsi drives beat the raptor on all tests. Your comparisons are only valid when comparing 10k scsi drives to the raptor. As BBWF pointed out, 10k SCSI drives are not much more expensive then raptors. For 2x the price, you can get much better performance from the 15k SCSI drives.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: beatle
The Raptor destroys SCSI in a price/performance race. Heck, it beats ALL drives in the Officemark High End benchmark. In Bootup and Gaming, it's beaten by SCSI, but only by 10-15%. Servers are still the domain of SCSI, however, which is no surprise. For a few dollars more, maybe I'd bite. For over 2x the price? Not a chance!

FWIW, the servers @ work with RAID 5 15k rpm MAS drives do not feel all that quick when doing one thing at a time (which the performance profile of many desktop users.)

Seagate 73GB 10,000RPM SCSI Hard Drive, Model ST373307LC, OEM Drive Only $339.00

How's that twice the price of $272?

Controller.