3.4C@3.8 on air or P4 3.2EE??

[caz67]

Hi Guys.

I am in a debate, with a mate of mine.

He wants to build a high end P4 gaming system, he doesn't want AMD.

He reckons that a 3.4C@3.8 will kick the ass, of a 3.2 Extreme Edition. I am talking about gaming, encoding , photoshop , office applications , everything.

I told him, that once you overclock the 3.2EE to 3.6+. The 3.4 has no hope. The 2mg, of L3 cache, makes a huge difference.

I told him, that the EE excels, at gaming.

 

[orion7144]

The EE all the way...

 

[MichaelZ]

P4 EE owns any other P4.

 

[caz67]

Thats what i thought.

cheers

 

[Nebor]

Tell him to get a P4 3.2C and then just change out the other $600 and roll around in it. He'll get more tangible results that way.

 

[Corporate Thug]

P4 EE no contest

 

[Margalus]

the EE will overclock better than the northwood anyway. Unless he can get an M0 stepping northwood, in which case the northwood will overclock about the same as the EE. The EE's are marvelous overclockers.

 

[Algere]

Originally posted by: Margalus
the EE will overclock better than the northwood anyway. Unless he can get an M0 stepping northwood, in which case the northwood will overclock about the same as the EE. The EE's are marvelous overclockers.

They better be, for the price you pay for 'em.

 

[caz67]

Why do the EE's overclock so much better than Northwoods??

Is that because of the L3 cache and being a Gallatin Core??

 

[caboob]

Originally posted by: caz67
Why do the EE's overclock so much better than Northwoods??

Is that because of the L3 cache and being a Gallatin Core??

Thee EE's are the best yielding CPUs, those that don't pass are marked down to 2.4Cs and 2.8Cs.

 

[ectx]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Tell him to get a P4 3.2C and then just change out the other $600 and roll around in it. He'll get more tangible results that way.

Good point.

If you have too much money, I can suggest a lot other sutff.

 

[Margalus]

Originally posted by: caz67
Why do the EE's overclock so much better than Northwoods??

Is that because of the L3 cache and being a Gallatin Core??

yes, it is the new core.

 

[caz67]

Thee EE's are the best yielding CPUs, those that don't pass are marked down to 2.4Cs and 2.8Cs.

Ahh. Hence the excellent overclockability of the 2.4 and 2.8's.

Thanks.

 

[Goi]

Your topic is kinda misleading though. The P4 3.4@3.8GHz would probably own the P4 3.2EE@3.2GHz, but the 3.2EE might overclock beyond 3.8GHz. "Might" because nothing in overclocking is guaranteed.

 

[DesolationWilliams]

i say get a 3.4c and spend the extra $600 on vapochill or prometia machII. u will probebly get 4ghz.

 

[newb54]

Originally posted by: DesolationWilliams
i say get a 3.4c and spend the extra $600 on vapochill or prometia machII. u will probebly get 4ghz.

Exactly, or spend the $600 on a top of the line video card and some raptors and some better ram.

 

[smahoney]

Actually the 3.2 and 3.4 EE's that don't pass muster are not always lablled as 2.4's or 2.8's. If they pass cache testing the end up as Xeons - other wise some go out as 2.4's or 2.8's. Speed Binning is overused - most 2.4 and 2.8 M0 were never tested that high - there is a much larger requirement for 2.4 and 2.8 CPU's than for Xeons or EE chips. The yield quality and OEM order requirements are making speed binning a waste of time and resources. This is part of the reason the M0's are going so high - if they tested them they would have labelled them as EE's and shipped them. The reality is that most corporate PC's are 2.4 or 2.8 and that is influencing the processor shipments. I figure Intel might be looking at 1 in a hundred or less of their Galatin yield to test for an EE - and that is probably a high guess.

PS - The EE chips do NOT OC as well as the other Northwoods - heavy power requirements for the extra cache so you need a very good heatsink and motherboard.

 

[Margalus]

Originally posted by: smahoney
PS - The EE chips do NOT OC as well as the other Northwoods - heavy power requirements for the extra cache so you need a very good heatsink and motherboard.

have you ever tested any of the EE chips? the fact is that they overclock MUCH better than all other northwoods except for th M0 stepping. And the M0 stepping northwoods don't overclock any better than the EE's, they only overclock about the same

 

[smahoney]

I base that one my own experience and looking at the number of systems going out that have 3.2 and 3.4 vs 3.2 EE and 3.4 EE chips using water and vapor cooling and what speeds they are hitting. Late yields of 'normal' 3.2 and 3.4 northwoods are going higher than the EE chips. Apples to Apples the late yield 3.2 and 3.4 chips are going as much as 200MHz faster then the EE chips with the same cooling solutions. Whether that makes them faster without the additional L3 cache is another issue. The additional transistors that make up the L3 cache consume more power and generate more heat - simple physics. What I would like to see is an M0 stepping of the regular 3.2 and see how high it could go. Fact is the limiting factor on most of the 2.4 and 2.8 M0 chips that have adequate cooling is the motherboard stability with high FSB speeds. Even with memory dividers, there is still a lot of stress on the northbridge.