3 5-Star hotels, Westerners taken hostage, 172 dead in India

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: kalster
the whole belt along the Pakistan/Afghanistan border needs to be bombed back to stone age, its the breeding ground for all these terrorist organizations. seeing my country attacked repeatedly is disgusting

It's been a breeding ground because of Pakistani ISI policies that set out to brainwash the poor in those areas to fight their dirty wars in India and Afghanistan. The best place to start if the world is really interested in getting rid of terrorism is to dismantle Pakistan and give Afghanistan control of West Pakistan while India gets the East.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
The creation of Pakistan/E. Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Israel are pretty strong causes of terrorism thanks to Britain's colonial legacy. I'm sure there's many more.

The tension between the muslim populations in Pakistan and the Hindu populations of India predate colonialism.

And similarly the fundamental source of Israeli issues is again religious differences that predated colonialism. A lot of other arbitrary borders in the middel-east do just fine, because they are between muslim countries.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
The creation of Pakistan/E. Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Israel are pretty strong causes of terrorism thanks to Britain's colonial legacy. I'm sure there's many more.

The tension between the muslim populations in Pakistan and the Hindu populations of India predate colonialism.

And similarly the fundamental source of Israeli issues is again religious differences that predated colonialism. A lot of other arbitrary borders in the middel-east do just fine, because they are between muslim countries.

There was tension but never outright hostility and civil war that left hundreds of thousands dead (like it did during partition in 1947). India before British interference was doing fine and would have continued to do fine if Pakistan hadn't been created.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Farang
It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that the conflict between India and Pakistan, as well as Bangledeshi terror groups, is directly the result of colonialism. ...
FWIW, just to show I'm not in the blame America first crowd.

Of course you aren't in the blame-America first crowd. You're in the euro/french hater freedom-fries crowd.

How old is Islam?
How old is Hinduism?
When did the two religions begin to have violent conflicts?
Now ask yourself when the Europeans colonized India and Pakistan.

See how you're wrong?

I'm not saying European colonialism helped the situation but pretending there is some causal connection is ridiculous.

I think that everyone can at least agree that the British made the problem much much worse.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
The creation of Pakistan/E. Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Israel are pretty strong causes of terrorism thanks to Britain's colonial legacy. I'm sure there's many more.

The tension between the muslim populations in Pakistan and the Hindu populations of India predate colonialism.

And similarly the fundamental source of Israeli issues is again religious differences that predated colonialism. A lot of other arbitrary borders in the middel-east do just fine, because they are between muslim countries.

The Zionist movement that created Israel, led by folks such as Herzl, did not predate colonialism and was only allowed to succeed because of colonialism.

edit: and I would strongly disagree that arbitrary border in the middle east 'do just fine' Iraq? Lebanon?

India was so messed with that we can never say what would've been, but what we do know is that the British made it a clusterfuck of violence that killed around a million

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: kalster
the whole belt along the Pakistan/Afghanistan border needs to be bombed back to stone age, its the breeding ground for all these terrorist organizations. seeing my country attacked repeatedly is disgusting

Remember back when Powell was doing a debriefing (think it was Afghanistan) and he couldn't tell the before pics from the after pics :laugh:

After the war with the USSR, Afghanistan was left crippled and never recovered thanks to warlords and terrorists having free reign there. It's one of the biggest fuck-ups in history and now the world is seeing the result. Hopefully Obama sticks to his promise and increases US forces in Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban once and for all. Once that's done, Pakistan should be split up into pieces as well.

 

[venkman]

Damn. I was in Thailand in the summer and that country has gone to pot. I was also in India and now this. Watch out Singapore.

 

[jamesall]

felt sorry for the muslims too, because of these few stupid brainwash militant muslims, islamophobia will grow around the world.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is why I have a concealed weapons permit in Florida.. With 500,000+ of my follow citizens following suit in this state, I refuse to be a victim. If they are going to kill me, I am going to punch a few holes in them before they do. This kind of thing pisses me off like no other. Kill these idiots, kill them quickly.. No trials, no talking, no prison, DEATH.

I also believe there is a reason why this type of thing continues to happen in countries like Pakistan and India.. because they refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems. There is simply no way that you would have these type of things happen in the United States.. We just wouldn't stand for it.. I am sure a lot of the looney left on this forum would say our reaction to 9/11 was an overeaction.. But I think its also why they have not attempted another attack in the United States.. WE REACTED.. we didn't stand for it.. we didn't accept it, and we weren't afraid to defend ourselves.

These countries need to act swiftly and put an end to this situation, then they need to collectively decide that they are not going to put up with this anymore.. Only then will things change.

Hey, look everyone, it's the problem with America. People like this douchebag.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: jamesall
felt sorry for the muslims too, because of these few stupid brainwash militant muslims, islamophobia will grow around the world.

Extremist muslims are the ones cutting off the heads

Moderate muslims are holding the feet.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jamesall
felt sorry for the muslims too, because of these few stupid brainwash militant muslims, islamophobia will grow around the world.

Extremist muslims are the ones cutting off the heads

Moderate muslims are holding the feet.

What?!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is why I have a concealed weapons permit in Florida.. With 500,000+ of my follow citizens following suit in this state, I refuse to be a victim. If they are going to kill me, I am going to punch a few holes in them before they do. This kind of thing pisses me off like no other. Kill these idiots, kill them quickly.. No trials, no talking, no prison, DEATH.

I also believe there is a reason why this type of thing continues to happen in countries like Pakistan and India.. because they refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems. There is simply no way that you would have these type of things happen in the United States.. We just wouldn't stand for it.. I am sure a lot of the looney left on this forum would say our reaction to 9/11 was an overeaction.. But I think its also why they have not attempted another attack in the United States.. WE REACTED.. we didn't stand for it.. we didn't accept it, and we weren't afraid to defend ourselves.

These countries need to act swiftly and put an end to this situation, then they need to collectively decide that they are not going to put up with this anymore.. Only then will things change.

Hey, look everyone, it's the problem with America. People like this douchebag.

He is right.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is why I have a concealed weapons permit in Florida.. With 500,000+ of my follow citizens following suit in this state, I refuse to be a victim. If they are going to kill me, I am going to punch a few holes in them before they do. This kind of thing pisses me off like no other. Kill these idiots, kill them quickly.. No trials, no talking, no prison, DEATH.

I also believe there is a reason why this type of thing continues to happen in countries like Pakistan and India.. because they refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems. There is simply no way that you would have these type of things happen in the United States.. We just wouldn't stand for it.. I am sure a lot of the looney left on this forum would say our reaction to 9/11 was an overeaction.. But I think its also why they have not attempted another attack in the United States.. WE REACTED.. we didn't stand for it.. we didn't accept it, and we weren't afraid to defend ourselves.

These countries need to act swiftly and put an end to this situation, then they need to collectively decide that they are not going to put up with this anymore.. Only then will things change.

Clearly you have no idea about what India puts up with and how it attempts to deal with terrorism. It is a country of over a billion people, poor, exceptionally heterogenous culturally and economically and shares porous borders. I bet you take offense at the 2M illegals who come into the US. Now, if the US cannot even control its borders, how is India, with a population multiple times the size of the US with a GDP a small fraction as big going to use tech and intelligence to solve terrorism?

I am not Indian but I bet that saying they "refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems" would be offensive to those who actually know what India goes through.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
The creation of Pakistan/E. Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Israel are pretty strong causes of terrorism thanks to Britain's colonial legacy. I'm sure there's many more.

The tension between the muslim populations in Pakistan and the Hindu populations of India predate colonialism.

And similarly the fundamental source of Israeli issues is again religious differences that predated colonialism. A lot of other arbitrary borders in the middel-east do just fine, because they are between muslim countries.

The Zionist movement that created Israel, led by folks such as Herzl, did not predate colonialism and was only allowed to succeed because of colonialism.

edit: and I would strongly disagree that arbitrary border in the middle east 'do just fine' Iraq? Lebanon?

India was so messed with that we can never say what would've been, but what we do know is that the British made it a clusterfuck of violence that killed around a million

lol and the anti-semites reveal themselves!

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The gift of British colonialism. It never stops.

British colonialism caused Islamic terror in India. You should stick to blaming the zionists.

British colonialism created the environment to let stuff like this flourish. You should stick to denying the Holocaust.

Please enlighten us oh wise one, what "environment" did British colonialism create to "let stuff like this flourish"?

Do you honestly think that British colonialism left a happy world? It's really sad how history education has fallen in priority. At least start on Wikipedia and then go into more serious texts. Here is a link for you: link

British colonialism made productive societies out of shit holes. When the British left they returned to being shitholes for the most part. All colonialism was in history is a brief gap of peace and prosperity for the majority of the countries colonized before returning to there natural order of things. (Countries that had a history/culture beforehand).

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
The creation of Pakistan/E. Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and Israel are pretty strong causes of terrorism thanks to Britain's colonial legacy. I'm sure there's many more.

The tension between the muslim populations in Pakistan and the Hindu populations of India predate colonialism.

And similarly the fundamental source of Israeli issues is again religious differences that predated colonialism. A lot of other arbitrary borders in the middel-east do just fine, because they are between muslim countries.

The Zionist movement that created Israel, led by folks such as Herzl, did not predate colonialism and was only allowed to succeed because of colonialism.

edit: and I would strongly disagree that arbitrary border in the middle east 'do just fine' Iraq? Lebanon?

India was so messed with that we can never say what would've been, but what we do know is that the British made it a clusterfuck of violence that killed around a million

lol and the anti-semites reveal themselves!

How is what I said at all anti-semetic? Do you think Zionism is a dirty word? I think this comment is funny because that is the only way you could construe what I said to be anti-semetic. So yes, the anti-semites do indeed reveal themselves.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is why I have a concealed weapons permit in Florida.. With 500,000+ of my follow citizens following suit in this state, I refuse to be a victim. If they are going to kill me, I am going to punch a few holes in them before they do. This kind of thing pisses me off like no other. Kill these idiots, kill them quickly.. No trials, no talking, no prison, DEATH.

I also believe there is a reason why this type of thing continues to happen in countries like Pakistan and India.. because they refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems. There is simply no way that you would have these type of things happen in the United States.. We just wouldn't stand for it.. I am sure a lot of the looney left on this forum would say our reaction to 9/11 was an overeaction.. But I think its also why they have not attempted another attack in the United States.. WE REACTED.. we didn't stand for it.. we didn't accept it, and we weren't afraid to defend ourselves.

These countries need to act swiftly and put an end to this situation, then they need to collectively decide that they are not going to put up with this anymore.. Only then will things change.

Hey, look everyone, it's the problem with America. People like this douchebag.

He is right.

if he was right the US would have finished the job in Afghanistan and wiped out taliban/Al Qaeda and not go after iraq with unfinished business in Afghanistan

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is why I have a concealed weapons permit in Florida.. With 500,000+ of my follow citizens following suit in this state, I refuse to be a victim. If they are going to kill me, I am going to punch a few holes in them before they do. This kind of thing pisses me off like no other. Kill these idiots, kill them quickly.. No trials, no talking, no prison, DEATH.

I also believe there is a reason why this type of thing continues to happen in countries like Pakistan and India.. because they refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems. There is simply no way that you would have these type of things happen in the United States.. We just wouldn't stand for it.. I am sure a lot of the looney left on this forum would say our reaction to 9/11 was an overeaction.. But I think its also why they have not attempted another attack in the United States.. WE REACTED.. we didn't stand for it.. we didn't accept it, and we weren't afraid to defend ourselves.

These countries need to act swiftly and put an end to this situation, then they need to collectively decide that they are not going to put up with this anymore.. Only then will things change.

Hey, look everyone, it's the problem with America. People like this douchebag.

He is right.

if he was right the US would have finished the job in Afghanistan and wiped out taliban/Al Qaeda and not go after iraq with unfinished business in Afghanistan

We can't because of all the QQ'ers about "omg there people too!"

 

[Atheus]

At the risk of getting back on topic, it's all going off...

It's morning now in Mumbai, many parts of the city are still under control of terrorists, and the rest has ground to a halt as people are being told to stay at home.

At least 101 people killed including at least 6 foriegners.

In other news, a convoy has been attacked outside the US embassy in Afghanistan, and protestors still control Bangkok airport.

 

[venkman]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The gift of British colonialism. It never stops.

British colonialism caused Islamic terror in India. You should stick to blaming the zionists.

British colonialism created the environment to let stuff like this flourish. You should stick to denying the Holocaust.

Please enlighten us oh wise one, what "environment" did British colonialism create to "let stuff like this flourish"?

Do you honestly think that British colonialism left a happy world? It's really sad how history education has fallen in priority. At least start on Wikipedia and then go into more serious texts. Here is a link for you: link

British colonialism made productive societies out of shit holes. When the British left they returned to being shitholes for the most part. All colonialism was in history is a brief gap of peace and prosperity for the majority of the countries colonized before returning to there natural order of things. (Countries that had a history/culture beforehand).

I guess if slaughtering unarmed people in a stadium or forcing people to grow fabric crops instead of food and watching them starve to death is considered a productive society, then yes, I agree with you.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The gift of British colonialism. It never stops.

British colonialism caused Islamic terror in India. You should stick to blaming the zionists.

British colonialism created the environment to let stuff like this flourish. You should stick to denying the Holocaust.

Please enlighten us oh wise one, what "environment" did British colonialism create to "let stuff like this flourish"?

Do you honestly think that British colonialism left a happy world? It's really sad how history education has fallen in priority. At least start on Wikipedia and then go into more serious texts. Here is a link for you: link

British colonialism made productive societies out of shit holes. When the British left they returned to being shitholes for the most part. All colonialism was in history is a brief gap of peace and prosperity for the majority of the countries colonized before returning to there natural order of things. (Countries that had a history/culture beforehand).

I guess if slaughtering unarmed people in a stadium or forcing people to grow fabric crops instead of food and watching them starve to death is considered a productive society, then yes, I agree with you.

You know some people use kitchen knives to commit murder as well? The benefits of the education, infrastructure, skills, and modernism brought to the undeveloped world far outweighs the supposed freedoms they temporarily lost (that they didn't even knew existed) as we brought them up to modernity. If we had worked harder to do that with Islam we would not be having the issues we have now of barbarians who resort to medieval fashions to get there point across. You can sit there and blame the west, and Britain and colonization and culture saturation and whatever other bullshit excuse you want to use, it boils down to the fact these cultures have not changed in a 100 years even with the rise of democracy and the fall of authoritarian and theocracies around the world.

Sometimes there is no hope. India should deal with the terrorists it has with a heavy hand, do it quickly and wipe them out, take the temporary and mandatory international scorn and than move on with life.


Here's a nice little source showing the benefits of colonization and missionaries on areas of barbarism. Link

(To clarify, not only was certain colonizes areas barbaric, the majority of Europe was a cesspool of barbarism before the Greeks and Romans colonized it. It's not just Africa and the SE Asia that was colonized, history is a little longer than 1000 years)

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Duddy

I hope this isn't the beginning of a worldwide attack.

This all started at sundown there. What if the same thing happens here in the US tonight?

and it's all Obama's fault right?

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is why I have a concealed weapons permit in Florida.. With 500,000+ of my follow citizens following suit in this state, I refuse to be a victim. If they are going to kill me, I am going to punch a few holes in them before they do. This kind of thing pisses me off like no other. Kill these idiots, kill them quickly.. No trials, no talking, no prison, DEATH.

I also believe there is a reason why this type of thing continues to happen in countries like Pakistan and India.. because they refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems. There is simply no way that you would have these type of things happen in the United States.. We just wouldn't stand for it.. I am sure a lot of the looney left on this forum would say our reaction to 9/11 was an overeaction.. But I think its also why they have not attempted another attack in the United States.. WE REACTED.. we didn't stand for it.. we didn't accept it, and we weren't afraid to defend ourselves.

These countries need to act swiftly and put an end to this situation, then they need to collectively decide that they are not going to put up with this anymore.. Only then will things change.

Heh. One extremist asking for the deaths of other extremists. Oh the sweet irony.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The gift of British colonialism. It never stops.

British colonialism caused Islamic terror in India. You should stick to blaming the zionists.

British colonialism created the environment to let stuff like this flourish. You should stick to denying the Holocaust.

Please enlighten us oh wise one, what "environment" did British colonialism create to "let stuff like this flourish"?

Do you honestly think that British colonialism left a happy world? It's really sad how history education has fallen in priority. At least start on Wikipedia and then go into more serious texts. Here is a link for you: link

British colonialism made productive societies out of shit holes. When the British left they returned to being shitholes for the most part. All colonialism was in history is a brief gap of peace and prosperity for the majority of the countries colonized before returning to there natural order of things. (Countries that had a history/culture beforehand).

Asian History and the British Empire are hardly my areas of expertise but I can say that without a doubt you are full of shit. I thought this kind of apologist rhetoric stopped being taught about 40 years ago?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The gift of British colonialism. It never stops.

British colonialism caused Islamic terror in India. You should stick to blaming the zionists.

British colonialism created the environment to let stuff like this flourish. You should stick to denying the Holocaust.

Please enlighten us oh wise one, what "environment" did British colonialism create to "let stuff like this flourish"?

Do you honestly think that British colonialism left a happy world? It's really sad how history education has fallen in priority. At least start on Wikipedia and then go into more serious texts. Here is a link for you: link

British colonialism made productive societies out of shit holes. When the British left they returned to being shitholes for the most part. All colonialism was in history is a brief gap of peace and prosperity for the majority of the countries colonized before returning to there natural order of things. (Countries that had a history/culture beforehand).

I guess if slaughtering unarmed people in a stadium or forcing people to grow fabric crops instead of food and watching them starve to death is considered a productive society, then yes, I agree with you.

You know some people use kitchen knives to commit murder as well? The benefits of the education, infrastructure, skills, and modernism brought to the undeveloped world far outweighs the supposed freedoms they temporarily lost (that they didn't even knew existed) as we brought them up to modernity. If we had worked harder to do that with Islam we would not be having the issues we have now of barbarians who resort to medieval fashions to get there point across. You can sit there and blame the west, and Britain and colonization and culture saturation and whatever other bullshit excuse you want to use, it boils down to the fact these cultures have not changed in a 100 years even with the rise of democracy and the fall of authoritarian and theocracies around the world.

Sometimes there is no hope. India should deal with the terrorists it has with a heavy hand, do it quickly and wipe them out, take the temporary and mandatory international scorn and than move on with life.


Here's a nice little source showing the benefits of colonization and missionaries on areas of barbarism. Link

(To clarify, not only was certain colonizes areas barbaric, the majority of Europe was a cesspool of barbarism before the Greeks and Romans colonized it. It's not just Africa and the SE Asia that was colonized, history is a little longer than 1000 years)

LOL Christian higher learning? Dude hurry up and get on the rapture train and get the fuck off our planet and take your fellow loons with you.