3 5-Star hotels, Westerners taken hostage, 172 dead in India

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paulney

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Guys from India, could you please explain to me why is the mob mad at CNN reporter in this live clip?
angry mob

What does that dude want? I can't understand his accent.
Thanks.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: bharatwaja
There's something called a breaking point. . . We indians are being pushed to that point.
Hinduism isn't and has never been radical, and hinduism says "trust in god, he'll take care of you" not like islam, which tells the ppl to take to arms and glorifies jihad. "Extremist hindus" is an oxymoronic term, might not even be "oxy" just like house said.
Does even one person here actually care about what we're going through if at all, other than for the safety of your nationals?
First ask your nation(s) to stop supporting pakistan in one form or the other, like supplying defense, aircrafts and so on.
India is a land of a billion ppl, i don't see poverty and other negative things that you ppl see, but i see a land of endless opportunities. We will prevail. And those who conspire against us will only find themselves six feet under. God bless my country.

Mock me how much ever you ppl want, i won't care.


Don?t fool yourself. Stop kidding yourself. How long has it been since Muslims were in the minority in Lebanon? Now the infidels are fleeing the country almost as fast as visas can be issued. Hinduism once existed from the Khorasan region of Iran up to the Phillipines and also the whole of Indonesia and was totally replaced by Islam mainly by the sword and unrelenting terror. Muslims have killed at least 100 million Hindus just in India long before white man arrived. For example, Aurangzeb killed 5 million in 20 years. Bahmani Sultans killed 100000 every year for 250 years only is South India. Babur killed 1 million in 3 years. Akbar killed 2-3 million. Timur Lang killed 1 million in 1 month. Qasim killed 2 million people. Ghazni Mohammed and Gauri Mohammed together killed nearly 30 million during their added total of 30 invasions. Tipu Sultan in south killed 10 million. In Bengal Muslims killed nearly 30 millions. Nadir Shah killed 100000 civilians in one day. And on and on and on. In recent times, in Bangladesh, Pakistan's Muslim-soldiers killed 3 million Hindus in one year in 1971. Every year since I've been alive 30+ years now at least 1000 hindus are blown to pieces by Muslim terror in India. When are you going start to fight back? Any time now.... How about after another 100 million + are dead? Instead just the opposite happening : Your government ignores the threat and is dismissive of it with claims all people are the same and we can all get along. They ignore history and it's not even taught in politically correct schools.

Islam will rule India and probably the world in my lifetime.


LOL did you pull those numbers out of your ass or some hindu propaganda site? There's no crediblity to those numbers at all, especially from the times of Aurangzeb, Babur etc. If anything, the Mogul rulers in India brought prosperity and civilization to the locals. Don't forget it was the Hindu kings that essentially sold out their people to the conquering Moguls so that they could keep their luxurious lifestyles--the Hindus sold themselves out. War is part of human nature no matter what background you're from. Trying to depict a religion, which is just an ideal at best, as a driving force for war is ridiculously narrow minded and absurd but I wouldn't expect much more out of a pussy like you.

Start here http://voi.org/books/tlmr/ or try reading Will Durant's The Story of Civilization, Vol. I, Our Oriental Heritage. Like the Germans you'll find Muslim rulers kept records of their genocides in Allahs service as a matter of pride.
 

5150Joker

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: bharatwaja
There's something called a breaking point. . . We indians are being pushed to that point.
Hinduism isn't and has never been radical, and hinduism says "trust in god, he'll take care of you" not like islam, which tells the ppl to take to arms and glorifies jihad. "Extremist hindus" is an oxymoronic term, might not even be "oxy" just like house said.
Does even one person here actually care about what we're going through if at all, other than for the safety of your nationals?
First ask your nation(s) to stop supporting pakistan in one form or the other, like supplying defense, aircrafts and so on.
India is a land of a billion ppl, i don't see poverty and other negative things that you ppl see, but i see a land of endless opportunities. We will prevail. And those who conspire against us will only find themselves six feet under. God bless my country.

Mock me how much ever you ppl want, i won't care.


Don?t fool yourself. Stop kidding yourself. How long has it been since Muslims were in the minority in Lebanon? Now the infidels are fleeing the country almost as fast as visas can be issued. Hinduism once existed from the Khorasan region of Iran up to the Phillipines and also the whole of Indonesia and was totally replaced by Islam mainly by the sword and unrelenting terror. Muslims have killed at least 100 million Hindus just in India long before white man arrived. For example, Aurangzeb killed 5 million in 20 years. Bahmani Sultans killed 100000 every year for 250 years only is South India. Babur killed 1 million in 3 years. Akbar killed 2-3 million. Timur Lang killed 1 million in 1 month. Qasim killed 2 million people. Ghazni Mohammed and Gauri Mohammed together killed nearly 30 million during their added total of 30 invasions. Tipu Sultan in south killed 10 million. In Bengal Muslims killed nearly 30 millions. Nadir Shah killed 100000 civilians in one day. And on and on and on. In recent times, in Bangladesh, Pakistan's Muslim-soldiers killed 3 million Hindus in one year in 1971. Every year since I've been alive 30+ years now at least 1000 hindus are blown to pieces by Muslim terror in India. When are you going start to fight back? Any time now.... How about after another 100 million + are dead? Instead just the opposite happening : Your government ignores the threat and is dismissive of it with claims all people are the same and we can all get along. They ignore history and it's not even taught in politically correct schools.

Islam will rule India and probably the world in my lifetime.


LOL did you pull those numbers out of your ass or some hindu propaganda site? There's no crediblity to those numbers at all, especially from the times of Aurangzeb, Babur etc. If anything, the Mogul rulers in India brought prosperity and civilization to the locals. Don't forget it was the Hindu kings that essentially sold out their people to the conquering Moguls so that they could keep their luxurious lifestyles--the Hindus sold themselves out. War is part of human nature no matter what background you're from. Trying to depict a religion, which is just an ideal at best, as a driving force for war is ridiculously narrow minded and absurd but I wouldn't expect much more out of a pussy like you.

Start here http://voi.org/books/tlmr/ or try reading Will Durant's The Story of Civilization, Vol. I, Our Oriental Heritage. Like the Germans you'll find Muslim rulers kept records of their genocides in Allahs service as a matter of pride.


Yep the first book written by K.S. Lal, a hindu. It's the typical b.s. the hindus have been spewing there for years now. It's no surprise you linked to it as some kind of evidence, like I said you would.
 

RESmonkey

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I don't psot in P/N but I should start with this one:


IT"S ALL BECAUSE OF RELIGION. GET RID OF RELIGION!
 

BuckNaked

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IBN reporting 6 hostages killed at the Oberoi in the last hour... more shots fired at the Taj...
 

RESmonkey

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The world needs a non-lethal bomb, like a stun weapon. Use it on the building with hostages, knock everyone out, go in and rescue.

 

RESmonkey

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some hostage came out and said they've got lots of food and a room+ full of firearms, explosives, etc.
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: Mani
Not sure if he is, but in my experience, a lot of brits actually believe this crap.

No we don't. Half the population of London are immigrants from the colonies - you try living here and spouting such outdated shit and see how far you get.

Probably a symptom of denial that their colonialism did as much damage as it helped, and the fact that they are currently relegated to an afterthought in world politics, behind even some of the 3rd world.

Why would we want to deny anything? The British Empire no longer exists. It's like blaming modern young Germans for WWII - it's really insulting and it really really pisses them off.

I have never in all my years had a British Indian say anything like this to me.

/edit: and BTW India and China are no longer 3rd world, assuming they are the countries you mean, and it won't be long before they outrank YOU.

As I'm sure you know, London is not exactly a representative sample of all Brits. I may not be a native, but I've spent a several years around Brits and in England, and many (note: not all) believed colonialism did more good than bad, and several went so far as spouting the equivalents of the idiotic "we were fixing shitholes" crap spouted by some of the ignorant toolboxes here.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: RESmonkey
I don't psot in P/N but I should start with this one:


IT"S ALL BECAUSE OF RELIGION. GET RID OF RELIGION!
Sadly, I'm sure people will still find some stupid excuse to kill each other.

 

BuckNaked

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http://timesofindia.indiatimes...rticleshow/3766765.cms

WASHINGTON: Strategic gurus and security analysts in the US and from across the world are examining Pakistan's role in terrorism following yet
another terror episode in India ending with fingers pointed at its widely-reviled neighbour.

While initial reports from India suggested the Mumbai carnage was a localised attack by militant malcontents in India because of the "Deccan Mujaheddin" decoy that was used to claim responsibility, evidence cited by Indian army and security experts based on phone intercepts, nature of weaponry, mode of entry by sea etc., has quickly focused the attention on Pakistan.

The statement by India's normally cautious and restrained prime minister, Manmohan Singh, that groups based across the border, a thinly-disguised reference to Pakistan, has also galvanized the strategic and security community into examining Islamabad's role in the region that has already been subjected to scrutiny in the past.

"From a tactical perspective most terrorist attacks in India have been carried out through the use of improvised explosive devices planted on bicycles, motorcycles and cars, and triggered by timers or mobile telephones. In contrast, according to press reports, the attackers involved in the latest Mumbai violence were armed only with Kalashnikov assault rifles, principally, and hand grenades," Jane's Country Risk Daily Report noted in an assessment on Thursday that discounted an internal insurgent attack.

The report also said the apparent focus on killing or capturing foreign businesspeople, specifically US and UK nationals, which has never occurred before, also suggested "a wider global anti-Western agenda." This stands in contrast to the national issues that appeared to motivate Indian Mujahideen, it said.

Experts also said the heavy weaponry, grenades, and the sustained attack pointed to intense training and planning beyond the scope of indigenous groups.

Other intelligence experts and websites also zeroed in on Pakistan's role in the region. "There have been reports from credible sources for years that Pakistani intelligence has used terrorist groups to conduct war-by-proxy against traditional rival India. With the latest horrific attacks throughout Mumbai, evidence continues to accumulate that may add new substance to such reports," the website Washington Examiner noted.

US officials and lawmakers refrained from naming Pakistan, but their condemnation of "Islamist terrorism" left little doubt where their anxieties lay. "It is often said that India and America have a natural bond as the two largest democracies. Today, we share a bond of a common enemy: what the 9/11 Commission identified as Islamist terrorism. Islamist ideology is spreading across South Asia, and must be stamped out," California Congressman Ed Royce said.

What has added potency to the latest charges against Islamabad is the Bush administration's own assessment - leaked to the US media - that Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI was linked to the bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul some weeks back that killed nearly 60 people including a much-admired Indian diplomat and a respected senior defense official.

This time, the US scrutiny is more intense because American, Israeli, and other western nationals appear to have been singled out during the carnage. Hundreds of Indians have died in dozens of terrorist attacks in India in the past two decades without Washington losing too much sleep over it. In fact, Indian officials have often complained in private that successive US administrations have been incredibly indulgent about Pakistan's brazen involvement in fomenting terror in India, believing it would not touch the US.

Part of the coddling goes back to US patronage of the ISI during the Afghan war. As a result, Washington has done little to bring to book Dawood Ibrahim, a terrorist charged with masterminding the serial bomb blasts in Mumbai in 1993 that took 258 lives, although Indian intelligence agencies have identified him as living in Karachi under ISI protection.

The US has also said Dawood Ibrahim is linked to al-Qaida. While all major terror attacks in India are typically accompanied by knee-jerk charges from India and shrill denials by Pakistan, analysts point to mounting evidence that the Pakistan state, especially under its military, has done little to combat the scourge of terrorism. Several terrorist and extremist leaders such as Masood Azhar and "Prof" Hafeez Mohammed Saeed, continue to thrive in Pakistan, often under official patronage. Extremists openly preach terrorism in jihadi gatherings overseen by ISI.

The Pakistani establishment has also dragged its feet on prosecuting Omar Saeed Sheikh, an accused in the Daniel Pearl murder because of his influential connections in the higher echelons of the ISI. Another terrorist Rashid Rauf, also known as the shoe-bomber, was killed last week in a US predator strike, months after he 'escaped' from Pakistani police custody while being escorted for a hearing. Western and Indian intelligence communities believe men like Sheikh and Rauf are protected by the ISI or rogue elements in the ISI.

The Bush administration has pressed for a purging of the ISI of its rogue and extremist elements, but the new civilian government in Pakistan, which has made better relations with India a priority, is finding it hard to do it. Hard-line militaristic elements in Pakistan have fuming about the overtures made by both President Asif Ali Zardari and opposition leader Nawaz Sharief towards India.

The Pakistani military, which controls the ISI, has resisted any attempt to make it subservient to the civilian government because the army uses it both as a fighting arm for its proxy war against India and also to spy on its own civilian government.

Among the several question that security experts are grappling is the motive behind the latest attack and who stands to gain by it. The terrorists have notably not even raised the Kashmir issue for their action to be linked to the separatist cause. Nor did they attempt to extract any specific concession in exchange for hostages, other than to demand the release of "all mujaheddin," according to one report.

They seemed intent on causing mayhem and dying in the same suicidal jihadi manner that was evident in the attack on India?s parliament and on the Akshardham temple earlier in this decade. Their victims, besides the scores of people who died, included India?s booming economy and tourism, both of which was the envy of a troubled neighbourhood.

Repercussions will run deep with this....
 

rahul

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Originally posted by: paulney
Guys from India, could you please explain to me why is the mob mad at CNN reporter in this live clip?
angry mob

What does that dude want? I can't understand his accent.
Thanks.

He's apparently pissed the reporter described the crowd as "onlookers standing around celebrating". The audio's not very good here (on board speakers) but he's apparently saying the crowd (who are residents of the city) have a right to be there, more so than the media.
 

bharatwaja

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Even if india clearly proves pakistani involvement, nothing will be done by the u.s. You reap what you sow.
 

dbk

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The rabbi, his wife, their two young children and the maid are confirmed dead from the Jewish center.
I'm absolutely shocked by the fact that this ordeal is still ongoing - 47 hrs and counting.
 

bharatwaja

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Originally posted by: Chris
Here's hoping Obama bombs the shit out of the beloved patriot tribal regions.

The whole of pakistan is corrupt... There is a puppet govt. in place and the actual shots are being called by the army and ISI....

If only India had the perfect proof to link ISI to this issue, in a way to confirm it was them who trained these terrorists and masterminded the attacks then I hope India goes to war with pakistan and makes sure those corrupts <insert swear words here> are torn to pieces.
 

Braznor

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India has squandered its internal security for the delusion of a false peace with Pakistan. The terror attacks are inevitable so long the Indian government isn't serious about its homeland safety.
 

tvarad

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Originally posted by: bharatwaja
Originally posted by: Chris
Here's hoping Obama bombs the shit out of the beloved patriot tribal regions.

The whole of pakistan is corrupt... There is a puppet govt. in place and the actual shots are being called by the army and ISI....

If only India had the perfect proof to link ISI to this issue, in a way to confirm it was them who trained these terrorists and masterminded the attacks then I hope India goes to war with pakistan and makes sure those corrupts <insert swear words here> are torn to pieces.

No point in frothing through the mouth. The real issue is the complete ineptness and incompetence of the Indian political class to understand the scale of the problem. Most of the current ruling stock rose to positions of power through goonda-giri (Indian for street-thuggery), militant trade-unionism and other good-for-nothing activities. They may understand knife-fights but this kind of terrorist attack that has obviously been planned thoroughly is out of their league. Sonia Gandhi the twit or the toothless PM Manmohan Singh keep ranting that they're going to get tough with the terrorists but they're about as effective as Sylvester the Cat trying to stop Speedy Gonzales from getting the cheese.

What is needed is a sea-change in thinking. For one, India should invest in mechanisms to infiltrate the terror networks in Pakistan and start eliminating the d**kheads at the source. The interests of the whole world now converge towards this end; the U.S. is already doing it when it's interests are threatened. Second, instead of stage-managing the encounters and symbolic arrests for public consumption, India should come up with a top-notch investigative agency that goes after domestic terrorists much like how it's done in the U.K. and U.S. and preempt such attacks at the source.

I am hoping against hope that changes like these will be affected but know all too well that it's wishful thinking.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: bharatwaja
Originally posted by: Chris
Here's hoping Obama bombs the shit out of the beloved patriot tribal regions.

The whole of pakistan is corrupt... There is a puppet govt. in place and the actual shots are being called by the army and ISI....

If only India had the perfect proof to link ISI to this issue, in a way to confirm it was them who trained these terrorists and masterminded the attacks then I hope India goes to war with pakistan and makes sure those corrupts <insert swear words here> are torn to pieces.

You do realize your two countries have nuclear weapons, right? Studies have shown a war between you would cause serious problems for the rest of the world, not to mention kill hundreds of millions in the overcrowded cities of India and Pakistan.
 

aphex

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Just watching the coverage on CNN... Its just so sad on so many levels. That people could be senselessly hurt and murdered for no reason at all, and that some people could be so twisted in their beliefs to do this kinda crap.

Wish everybody over there the best
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: RESmonkey
STUPID RELIGIOUS FUCKERS

Did you spend all of study hall thinking of that response? Or did it dawn on you on the bus ride home?

Actually that pretty much sums up the heart of the problem.

And lol at the people that didn't think that this was muslim terrorism. As I've said earlier in this thread. We should be stronger allies with India than pakistan.
 
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