3 5-Star hotels, Westerners taken hostage, 172 dead in India

[freegeeks]

they should call in elite teams (SAS, GIGN,KSK, Delta) to kill these motherf*ckers. It's friggin unbelievable that there is still fighting going on 48 hours after this whole thing started

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: venkman

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The gift of British colonialism. It never stops.

British colonialism caused Islamic terror in India. You should stick to blaming the zionists.

British colonialism created the environment to let stuff like this flourish. You should stick to denying the Holocaust.

Please enlighten us oh wise one, what "environment" did British colonialism create to "let stuff like this flourish"?

Do you honestly think that British colonialism left a happy world? It's really sad how history education has fallen in priority. At least start on Wikipedia and then go into more serious texts. Here is a link for you: link

British colonialism made productive societies out of shit holes. When the British left they returned to being shitholes for the most part. All colonialism was in history is a brief gap of peace and prosperity for the majority of the countries colonized before returning to there natural order of things. (Countries that had a history/culture beforehand).

I guess if slaughtering unarmed people in a stadium or forcing people to grow fabric crops instead of food and watching them starve to death is considered a productive society, then yes, I agree with you.

You know some people use kitchen knives to commit murder as well? The benefits of the education, infrastructure, skills, and modernism brought to the undeveloped world far outweighs the supposed freedoms they temporarily lost (that they didn't even knew existed) as we brought them up to modernity. If we had worked harder to do that with Islam we would not be having the issues we have now of barbarians who resort to medieval fashions to get there point across. You can sit there and blame the west, and Britain and colonization and culture saturation and whatever other bullshit excuse you want to use, it boils down to the fact these cultures have not changed in a 100 years even with the rise of democracy and the fall of authoritarian and theocracies around the world.

Sometimes there is no hope. India should deal with the terrorists it has with a heavy hand, do it quickly and wipe them out, take the temporary and mandatory international scorn and than move on with life.


Here's a nice little source showing the benefits of colonization and missionaries on areas of barbarism. Link

(To clarify, not only was certain colonizes areas barbaric, the majority of Europe was a cesspool of barbarism before the Greeks and Romans colonized it. It's not just Africa and the SE Asia that was colonized, history is a little longer than 1000 years)

I suggest you take some time and learn how India completely eradicated the Sikh terrorism in North India in the 80's. A combination of ruthlessness in dealing with the outlaws and reaching out to the average Sikh in India 9which helped turn the tide against the extremists from their community).

 

[BuckNaked]

Short CCTV clip here of two of the terrorists...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=857_1227826639

Working together as a pair, 1st terrorist appears to move to the vehicle as temporary point of of cover, and moving with a great deal of confidence, 2nd terrorist appears to be giving a hand signal to other possible accomplices, and at the 1:00 point at the frame, appears to be wearing soft body armor or a plate carrier...

There is another still photo showing one of the terrorists moving through an outdoor area, finger indexed along side the receiver of the AK... a small detail but it shows an advanced level of training, more so than one would expect...

http://cache.boston.com/univer...11_28/m05_17178177.jpg

Note the brand new pants and price tag on the shoe...

Edit: Delete the comment on the shoes, but as for the clothes, I only mention this as I believe the intention was to blend in with the crowd... aside from the AK, you would walk right past this person and nothing would draw your attention to them... regardless if its Mumbai or here in the states...

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BuckNaked


Note the brand new pants and price tag on the shoe...

It's really important to look your best when you are going to be meeting 72 virgins.

 

[fallenangel99]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
they should call in elite teams (SAS, GIGN,KSK, Delta) to kill these motherf*ckers. It's friggin unbelievable that there is still fighting going on 48 hours after this whole thing started

I agree. I mean, you can see the pics of the "elite commandos" (on cnn, nytimes), looking at their equipment, their body frame, etc. I don't think they are fit to be "elite". Sorta like the "elite" iraqi republican guard that was supposed to be put up a tough fight against the Marines in 2003.

I guess you can't blame India. Its armed forced probably don't get adequate training or weapons (see the weapons on the police or on the army??? nothing like M16s)

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
they should call in elite teams (SAS, GIGN,KSK, Delta) to kill these motherf*ckers. It's friggin unbelievable that there is still fighting going on 48 hours after this whole thing started

Yea, I was thinking that. I'm not sure if there is a gap in India's security apparatus or political situation that's preventing this from being resolved.

If this happened in the US at this scale the President would probably do everything up to and including waving posse comitatus to send in the SOF.

 

[ranmaniac]

If only Rainbow Six were real and not a figment of Tom Clancy's imagination.

 

[sciwizam]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BuckNaked


Note the brand new pants and price tag on the shoe...

It's really important to look your best when you are going to be meeting 72 virgins.

Looks like he got his ticket punched. Pic (graphic - blood )

 

[BuckNaked]

Originally posted by: sciwizam

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BuckNaked


Note the brand new pants and price tag on the shoe...

It's really important to look your best when you are going to be meeting 72 virgins.

Looks like he got his ticket punched. Pic (graphic - blood )

So much for it being a price tag on the shoe... n

as for his ticket being punched, I do think he is going to be disappointed with the 72 virgins selling point to his vacation plan...

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
STUPID RELIGIOUS FUCKERS

Did you spend all of study hall thinking of that response? Or did it dawn on you on the bus ride home?

Actually that pretty much sums up the heart of the problem.

And lol at the people that didn't think that this was muslim terrorism. As I've said earlier in this thread. We should be stronger allies with India than pakistan.

Thanks

 

[Duwelon]

Some chick being interviewed on Foxnews just said there have been 4000 dead civilians prior to this incident due to terrorism since 2004. This is so sad.

Radical Islam seems to have India in it's sights. Is there any hope for peace in India unless India does something radical like declare war on Pakistan?

 

[Duwelon]

Foxnews just reported that the standoff is over at the Taj hotel.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: freegeeks
they should call in elite teams (SAS, GIGN,KSK, Delta) to kill these motherf*ckers. It's friggin unbelievable that there is still fighting going on 48 hours after this whole thing started

Yea, I was thinking that. I'm not sure if there is a gap in India's security apparatus or political situation that's preventing this from being resolved.

If this happened in the US at this scale the President would probably do everything up to and including waving posse comitatus to send in the SOF.

The police and security forces in India are extremely unprofessional. The fault lies in the way they are structured. They are essentially a shake-down operation under the control of the ruling state party mostly paid to

a) funnel bribes collected for looking the other way towards the political party in power (while keeping part of the loot for themselves of course).

b) sweeping endemic problems under the rug and use smoke-and-mirrors to explain them away.

c) stage-manage killings of suspected law-breakers and say that the problem is solved. Euphemistically called encounter deaths, it involves giving a captured suspect a chance to make a run for it and shooting him in the back. Then dramatically announce that a "dreaded" terrorist/naxalite was eliminated while trying to escape. One such encounter-specialist was the first guy killed in this attack. Apparently he brazenly walked into the lobby acting like he was in control!

Notice that the army/navy commandoes were called in as soon as the police figured out a couple of hours into the ordeal that it was out of their league. Shows that they're clueless about the whole issue, 15 years after the first terrorist attack on Bombay.

You must also remember that tte police mindset is still stuck in the pre-independence era when it was a force used by the British to control the local population, not provide police services in the modern sense of the word. The only difference is that the British have now been replaced by the current political party in power. No radical changes to this setup have happened since it would mean that the politicians, being the control freaks they are, will lose a very vital and lucrative branch of government. That is why these problems have not been solved by applying an analytical mind to them.

 

[tvarad]

Originally posted by: BuckNaked
....

There is another still photo showing one of the terrorists moving through an outdoor area, finger indexed along side the receiver of the AK... a small detail but it shows an advanced level of training, more so than one would expect...

http://cache.boston.com/univer...11_28/m05_17178177.jpg

Note the brand new pants and price tag on the shoe...

From the squat look and color of the guy, I would hazard a guess that he is a Bangladeshi.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: BuckNaked


There is another still photo showing one of the terrorists moving through an outdoor area, finger indexed along side the receiver of the AK... a small detail but it shows an advanced level of training, more so than one would expect...

http://cache.boston.com/univer...11_28/m05_17178177.jpg

Nice pickup on that.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99

Originally posted by: freegeeks
they should call in elite teams (SAS, GIGN,KSK, Delta) to kill these motherf*ckers. It's friggin unbelievable that there is still fighting going on 48 hours after this whole thing started

I agree. I mean, you can see the pics of the "elite commandos" (on cnn, nytimes), looking at their equipment, their body frame, etc. I don't think they are fit to be "elite". Sorta like the "elite" iraqi republican guard that was supposed to be put up a tough fight against the Marines in 2003.

I guess you can't blame India. Its armed forced probably don't get adequate training or weapons (see the weapons on the police or on the army??? nothing like M16s)

a lot of Indian police units are still armed with the Lee-Enfield bolt action rifle, in service since 1895 (not a typo!!!!!!!). These guys were the first line of defence against well trained terrorists armed with automatic assault rifles. Their elite commando units look like regular infantry units.

I'm sure that these units are doing everything to get the situation under control but they just look totally unprepared.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Sinsear

Originally posted by: BuckNaked


There is another still photo showing one of the terrorists moving through an outdoor area, finger indexed along side the receiver of the AK... a small detail but it shows an advanced level of training, more so than one would expect...

http://cache.boston.com/univer...11_28/m05_17178177.jpg

Nice pickup on that.

An Indian military official was saying that these terrorists were putting up a very tough tactical fight and they were for sure military trained

 

[cirrrocco]

Well the one pig that was captured is saying that he was trained by LET, and also got Marine assault training by those same handlers [Pakistan Army, ISI]

on this very day, lockheed martin provides Pakistan upgraded F-16's for their "substantial" fight against terrorism

 

[cirrrocco]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Their elite commando units look like regular infantry units.

I'm sure that these units are doing everything to get the situation under control but they just look totally unprepared.

did you want them to look like overdressed US teams. They carried the essentials, NVG, Rifle, backup pistol, Grenades and freq hopping comm equipment.What else is needed????

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: cirrrocco

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Their elite commando units look like regular infantry units.

I'm sure that these units are doing everything to get the situation under control but they just look totally unprepared.

did you want them to look like overdressed US teams. They carried the essentials, NVG, Rifle, backup pistol, Grenades and freq hopping comm equipment.What else is needed????

I'm pretty sure those overdressed US teams you are talking about would not have needed 3 days to neutralize a bunch of terrorists

 

[cirrrocco]

try clearing atleast 1200 rooms and booby trapped dead bodies..

 

[cirrrocco]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: cirrrocco

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Their elite commando units look like regular infantry units.

I'm sure that these units are doing everything to get the situation under control but they just look totally unprepared.

did you want them to look like overdressed US teams. They carried the essentials, NVG, Rifle, backup pistol, Grenades and freq hopping comm equipment.What else is needed????

I'm pretty sure those overdressed US teams you are talking about would not have needed 3 days to neutralize a bunch of terrorists

and yeah before I forget it has been more than 2500 days since our high tech force went to find a 6 foot terrorist pig ..so stop dissing other countries SF. They may not have all the high tech gizmos, but they have the guts and the courage to go in without knowing the layout, number of terrorists, and those fucking media bastards outside constantly telling the pigs inside which side the good guys were coming from..

 

[jai6638]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: cirrrocco

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Their elite commando units look like regular infantry units.

I'm sure that these units are doing everything to get the situation under control but they just look totally unprepared.

did you want them to look like overdressed US teams. They carried the essentials, NVG, Rifle, backup pistol, Grenades and freq hopping comm equipment.What else is needed????

I'm pretty sure those overdressed US teams you are talking about would not have needed 3 days to neutralize a bunch of terrorists

The US force, being the "superior military force" that it is, couldn't even find one man, Bin Laden! Most of his accomplices haven't been found either so stop pointing fingers.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: cirrrocco

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Their elite commando units look like regular infantry units.

I'm sure that these units are doing everything to get the situation under control but they just look totally unprepared.

did you want them to look like overdressed US teams. They carried the essentials, NVG, Rifle, backup pistol, Grenades and freq hopping comm equipment.What else is needed????

I'm pretty sure those overdressed US teams you are talking about would not have needed 3 days to neutralize a bunch of terrorists

You think too highly of US teams then. In the US the stand off would have gone on for a week at least.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: jai6638

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: cirrrocco

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Their elite commando units look like regular infantry units.

I'm sure that these units are doing everything to get the situation under control but they just look totally unprepared.

did you want them to look like overdressed US teams. They carried the essentials, NVG, Rifle, backup pistol, Grenades and freq hopping comm equipment.What else is needed????

I'm pretty sure those overdressed US teams you are talking about would not have needed 3 days to neutralize a bunch of terrorists

The US force, being the "superior military force" that it is, couldn't even find one man, Bin Laden! Most of his accomplices haven't been found either so stop pointing fingers.

There is no comparison with the search for Bin Laden and the suppression of these attacks. The lack of highly trained special forces/swat is readily apparent. Had something like this gone on for 3+ days in the US the government would be strung up by its collective testicles, especially considering how much we spend on police/defense.