3 5-Star hotels, Westerners taken hostage, 172 dead in India

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: TallBill
Well this thread went to complete shit real quick. Screw all the dead people or actual news :roll:

This event has nothing to do with colonialism. (Notice how the terrorists are not just singling out British but instead Americans and British.)

This is yet another human tragedy that is caused by religious extremism, in this case islam.

As of right now, there is no proof that Islamic Extreamist, likely but no proof. Hindus aren't exactly a peaceful religion, hindus and islamics have been at each others throats for years. until we get more info as to who is behind this, I'm gonna hold judgement.

And who ever is behind this should be hunted to extinction. Quietly, so they wont know until they are taken out.

The group that has claimed responsibilities is an Islamic Extremist group.

Unknown group claims responsibility for attack

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
This is why I have a concealed weapons permit in Florida.. With 500,000+ of my follow citizens following suit in this state, I refuse to be a victim. If they are going to kill me, I am going to punch a few holes in them before they do. This kind of thing pisses me off like no other. Kill these idiots, kill them quickly.. No trials, no talking, no prison, DEATH.

I also believe there is a reason why this type of thing continues to happen in countries like Pakistan and India.. because they refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems. There is simply no way that you would have these type of things happen in the United States.. We just wouldn't stand for it.. I am sure a lot of the looney left on this forum would say our reaction to 9/11 was an overeaction.. But I think its also why they have not attempted another attack in the United States.. WE REACTED.. we didn't stand for it.. we didn't accept it, and we weren't afraid to defend ourselves.

These countries need to act swiftly and put an end to this situation, then they need to collectively decide that they are not going to put up with this anymore.. Only then will things change.

Clearly you have no idea about what India puts up with and how it attempts to deal with terrorism. It is a country of over a billion people, poor, exceptionally heterogenous culturally and economically and shares porous borders. I bet you take offense at the 2M illegals who come into the US. Now, if the US cannot even control its borders, how is India, with a population multiple times the size of the US with a GDP a small fraction as big going to use tech and intelligence to solve terrorism?

I am not Indian but I bet that saying they "refuse to deal with their own terrorism problems" would be offensive to those who actually know what India goes through.

Gee, I don't want to offend anyone.. I retract what I said.. :roll:

:thumbsup:

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
The blame game is idiotic at this point. Lets fix whats wrong not worry about bullshit blame. Everyone's ancestors have murdered and enslaved and raped countless people. It's not called survival of the nicest. The only thing that separates any of us from the animals we once were is education. If we educate the world then the psychopaths will have no ignorant masses to prey upon. If we can't give up the blame then we will probably all end up nuclear fallout mutants waiting to die. We have only had these weapons for the blink of an eye in the lifespan of our species yet we have almost obliterated ourselves already. We all have to live together forever and if we can't play nice were done for. No question about it.

"Atrocity is recognized as such by victim and perpetrator alike, by all who learn about it at whatever remove. Atrocity has no excuses, no mitigating argument. Atrocity never balances or rectifies the past. Atrocity merely arms the future for more atrocity. It is self-perpetuating upon itself?a barbarous form of incest. Whoever commits atrocity also commits those future atrocities thus bred."

You want to blame someone? How about the Pakistani government? They are almost single-handedly responsibly for most of the major terror attacks around the world within the past 20 years. Everybody goes there to become a terrorist.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

There are a bunch of Islamic terror groups in India, and their aims are often difficult to identify.

Some are "freedom fighters", seeking self-determination for Jammu & Kashmir, many of whom are funded and organized by Pakistani intelligence; others are Islamist groups trying to turn India into a Muslim theocracy; others are just politically overwrought.

Remember, India is a secular nation, Islamic extremists in India don't like that. India has a billion people, hundreds of ethnic groups, every major religion, a simmering border war, separatists in nearly every state and one of the world's widest gaps between rich and poor. Bombs go off somewhere almost weekly. There are fairly major incidents on almost a monthly basis. India desperately need counter terrorism secutiry apparatus in place.

It's a little absurd to try to tie this to America. India - the world's largest and most vibrant democracy - has been fighting terrorism since the days when Americans considered terrorism a quaint little third world problem.

 

[StageLeft]

has been fighting terrorism since the days when Americans considered terrorism a quaint little third world problem.

Exactly!

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Mani

Not sure if he is, but in my experience, a lot of brits actually believe this crap. Probably a symptom of denial that their colonialism did as much damage as it helped, and the fact that they are currently relegated to an afterthought in world politics, behind even some of the 3rd world.

Maybe if colonialism was so awesome, they won't mind being colonized and getting the same great benefits they provided for everyone else. Which was genocide, slavery, drug dealing, etc.

when will you stop blaming colonialism for all the third world countries problems? Most of these countries have been independant for decades and the result is that they are such beacons of prosperity that lot's of its people are actually trying to immigrate to their old colonial ruling countries.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Mani
Not sure if he is, but in my experience, a lot of brits actually believe this crap.

No we don't. Half the population of London are immigrants from the colonies - you try living here and spouting such outdated shit and see how far you get.

Probably a symptom of denial that their colonialism did as much damage as it helped, and the fact that they are currently relegated to an afterthought in world politics, behind even some of the 3rd world.

Why would we want to deny anything? The British Empire no longer exists. It's like blaming modern young Germans for WWII - it's really insulting and it really really pisses them off.

I have never in all my years had a British Indian say anything like this to me.

/edit: and BTW India and China are no longer 3rd world, assuming they are the countries you mean, and it won't be long before they outrank YOU.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: conehead433
Four dead terrorists and some arrested. Why arrest them, just kill them all.

Information, that's why.

Ahh yes, good idea! Torture them, then kill them.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
lol - the biggest reason these things don't happen here is that we don't have islamic states as neighbors, not any of that other gun brandishing bs.

So you admit Islam is the problem then? At least we agree on something.

If you push the big picture back a little more and really look at it in detail and without bias. You realize Christianity is just as bad, their difference is instead of sending knight crusaders to do their work and rape the women their states have military's now and can perform air raids.

We will have endless wars between these two book burning cults for a long time

 

[cliftonite]

Ugggh, my mom has a flight out of Mumbai Friday night, hopefully she can get out without any issues.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: jamesall
felt sorry for the muslims too, because of these few stupid brainwash militant muslims, islamophobia will grow around the world.

Extremist muslims are the ones cutting off the heads

Moderate muslims are holding the feet.

I'm inclined to agree. Well said.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: conehead433
Four dead terrorists and some arrested. Why arrest them, just kill them all.

Information, that's why.

Ahh yes, good idea! Torture them, then kill them.

you do realize that torture almost never produces quality info. They will tell you what they think you want to stop it.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: dawp

you do realize that torture almost never produces quality info. They will tell you what they think you want to stop it.

Depends on who you are capturing. Didn't these guys torture enough people? Would you rather be held hostage and witness people shot up or be shot up yourself in a hotel or be waterboarded?

 

[geno]

The death toll is 125 at this point according to CNN...

 

[jai6638]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: Mani

Not sure if he is, but in my experience, a lot of brits actually believe this crap. Probably a symptom of denial that their colonialism did as much damage as it helped, and the fact that they are currently relegated to an afterthought in world politics, behind even some of the 3rd world.

Maybe if colonialism was so awesome, they won't mind being colonized and getting the same great benefits they provided for everyone else. Which was genocide, slavery, drug dealing, etc.

Most of these countries have been independant for decades and the result is that they are such beacons of prosperity that lot's of its people are actually trying to immigrate to their old colonial ruling countries.

The plan: Go back to the countries that occupied them and take the jobs that their citizens could have potentially done thereby screwing over the natives of the colonial powers. Sweet revenge eh?! haha!

I was watching BBC and according to him, while the terrorists claim to be from "hyderabad, India", the language the spoke is Punjabi which is characteristic of Northern India/Pakistan. I think he mentioned that there's a Hyderabad in Pakistan too so they're probably from there..

 

[winnar111]

Don't worry. This kind of generated crisis will be commonplace in the USA.

 

[bharatwaja]

There's something called a breaking point. . . We indians are being pushed to that point.
Hinduism isn't and has never been radical, and hinduism says "trust in god, he'll take care of you" not like islam, which tells the ppl to take to arms and glorifies jihad. "Extremist hindus" is an oxymoronic term, might not even be "oxy" just like house said.
Does even one person here actually care about what we're going through if at all, other than for the safety of your nationals?
First ask your nation(s) to stop supporting pakistan in one form or the other, like supplying defense, aircrafts and so on.
India is a land of a billion ppl, i don't see poverty and other negative things that you ppl see, but i see a land of endless opportunities. We will prevail. And those who conspire against us will only find themselves six feet under. God bless my country.

Mock me how much ever you ppl want, i won't care.

 

[BarneyFife]

It shows how you just how superior CNN is to Fox News by their excellent coverage. Fox is a joke.

 

[sciwizam]

To whoever said there were Jewish hostages, they have been freed. Text

BBC has some updates: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7752003.stm

 

[jai6638]

Originally posted by: bharatwaja

Does even one person here actually care about what we're going through if at all, other than for the safety of your nationals?

I think the only reason its getting so much coverage here in the US is because the attack was targeted towards Westerners and that there might be American casualties and it help supports the "War on Terror" cause.

 

[fallout man]

MUMBAI: Terrorists who struck Mumbai had set up advance "Control Rooms" in the luxury Taj and Trident Oberoi hotels which was also targeted
and did prior reconnaisance executing plans worked "over months", Union Cabinet minister Kapil Sibal said on Thursday night.

Sibal said the unprecedented terror attack in the country's financial capital was planned "over months" and the terrorists were not carrying AK-47 rifles but sophisticated weapons like MP-6.

"The terrorists have identified the targets earlier. Somebody had told them earlier. Enormous planning went into the incident. The terrorists were dropped by a mother ship and travelled in rubber boats which they docked (at Mumbai)," Sibal said.

Terrorists were not attacking people at random. It was a well though out plan, Sibal said.

They had targeted certain key police officers even when they were wearing vests and protective head gears, he said, adding the terrorists shot them dead within minutes of their arrival.

As security agencies pieced together various leads in the probe on India's worst ever terror strike, there were reports that a likely marine arm of the Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Toiba may have been involved in the well-planned attacks that left 125 people dead.

The Union Home Ministry said the terrorists chose the sea route and came to the city in boats before spreading out in the metropolis to carry out the sinister strike.

The assessment by the Centre as Mumbai continued to be under siege for the second day came amid reports that the leader of the armed terrorists involved in the attack was killed by his own men.

Ohshi. I hope that the Pakis have their one-liners ready when the details of this clusterfuck get fleshed out.

 

[cirrrocco]

Originally posted by: fallout man


Ohshi. I hope that the Pakis have their one-liners ready when the details of this clusterfuck get fleshed out.

hmm nothing is gonna happen to the pakis as the US SD and CIA are in bad happily with the ISI and beloved patriot terrorist leadership.

India just has to do her own thing, and shouldnt give a fuck about what the US will say about the "GWO terrah"

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: cirrrocco

Originally posted by: fallout man


Ohshi. I hope that the Pakis have their one-liners ready when the details of this clusterfuck get fleshed out.

hmm nothing is gonna happen to the pakis as the US SD and CIA are in bad happily with the ISI and beloved patriot terrorist leadership.

India just has to do her own thing, and shouldnt give a fuck about what the US will say about the "GWO terrah"

India cant really do anything to Pakistan these days though. It's not like the 70s where its numerical superiority meant anything. Nukes are a major equalizer and I don't think the beloved patriot leadership would hesitate to use everything they've got if they felt India was encroaching on their territory. The only way to root out this problem is for the US AND China to put real pressure on the beloved patriot leadership to clean house or else. Pakistan's ISI needs to be put under government oversight instead of the military. Lastly, there isn't concrete evidence yet that any of this had to do with the beloved patriot government directly or indirectly, India is always quick to point the finger to it's neighbor but it's got so many home grown sectarian problems that it could be a number of fringe groups. Just because they came by boat doesn't necessarily prove they were Pakistani in origin and even if they were, doesn't come close to proving any kind of government involvement.

If the US can't control it's tiny border with Mexico, it's difficult to expect smaller 3rd world countries like Pakistan to be able to patrol every part of it's border and keep it under control. I think with the pressure they're facing right now, they'd be disinterested in stirring up trouble in India right now since they're on the brink of civil war with the Pasthtun/Afghan population in West Pakistan as it is.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: bharatwaja
There's something called a breaking point. . . We indians are being pushed to that point.
Hinduism isn't and has never been radical, and hinduism says "trust in god, he'll take care of you" not like islam, which tells the ppl to take to arms and glorifies jihad. "Extremist hindus" is an oxymoronic term, might not even be "oxy" just like house said.
Does even one person here actually care about what we're going through if at all, other than for the safety of your nationals?
First ask your nation(s) to stop supporting pakistan in one form or the other, like supplying defense, aircrafts and so on.
India is a land of a billion ppl, i don't see poverty and other negative things that you ppl see, but i see a land of endless opportunities. We will prevail. And those who conspire against us will only find themselves six feet under. God bless my country.

Mock me how much ever you ppl want, i won't care.

Don?t fool yourself. Stop kidding yourself. How long has it been since Muslims were in the minority in Lebanon? Now the infidels are fleeing the country almost as fast as visas can be issued. Hinduism once existed from the Khorasan region of Iran up to the Phillipines and also the whole of Indonesia and was totally replaced by Islam mainly by the sword and unrelenting terror. Muslims have killed at least 100 million Hindus just in India long before white man arrived. For example, Aurangzeb killed 5 million in 20 years. Bahmani Sultans killed 100000 every year for 250 years only is South India. Babur killed 1 million in 3 years. Akbar killed 2-3 million. Timur Lang killed 1 million in 1 month. Qasim killed 2 million people. Ghazni Mohammed and Gauri Mohammed together killed nearly 30 million during their invasions. Tipu Sultan in south killed 10 million. In Bengal Muslims killed nearly 30 millions. Nadir Shah killed 100000 civilians in one day. And on and on and on. In recent times, in Bangladesh, Pakistan's Muslim-soldiers killed 3 million Hindus in one year in 1971. Every year since I've been alive 30+ years now at least 1000 hindus are blown to pieces by Muslim terror in India. When are you going start to fight back? Any time now.... How about after another 100 million + are dead? Instead just the opposite happening : Your government ignores the threat and is dismissive of it with claims all people are the same and we can all get along. They ignore history and it's not even taught in politically correct schools.

Islam will rule India and probably the world in my lifetime.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: bharatwaja
There's something called a breaking point. . . We indians are being pushed to that point.
Hinduism isn't and has never been radical, and hinduism says "trust in god, he'll take care of you" not like islam, which tells the ppl to take to arms and glorifies jihad. "Extremist hindus" is an oxymoronic term, might not even be "oxy" just like house said.
Does even one person here actually care about what we're going through if at all, other than for the safety of your nationals?
First ask your nation(s) to stop supporting pakistan in one form or the other, like supplying defense, aircrafts and so on.
India is a land of a billion ppl, i don't see poverty and other negative things that you ppl see, but i see a land of endless opportunities. We will prevail. And those who conspire against us will only find themselves six feet under. God bless my country.

Mock me how much ever you ppl want, i won't care.

Don?t fool yourself. Stop kidding yourself. How long has it been since Muslims were in the minority in Lebanon? Now the infidels are fleeing the country almost as fast as visas can be issued. Hinduism once existed from the Khorasan region of Iran up to the Phillipines and also the whole of Indonesia and was totally replaced by Islam mainly by the sword and unrelenting terror. Muslims have killed at least 100 million Hindus just in India long before white man arrived. For example, Aurangzeb killed 5 million in 20 years. Bahmani Sultans killed 100000 every year for 250 years only is South India. Babur killed 1 million in 3 years. Akbar killed 2-3 million. Timur Lang killed 1 million in 1 month. Qasim killed 2 million people. Ghazni Mohammed and Gauri Mohammed together killed nearly 30 million during their added total of 30 invasions. Tipu Sultan in south killed 10 million. In Bengal Muslims killed nearly 30 millions. Nadir Shah killed 100000 civilians in one day. And on and on and on. In recent times, in Bangladesh, Pakistan's Muslim-soldiers killed 3 million Hindus in one year in 1971. Every year since I've been alive 30+ years now at least 1000 hindus are blown to pieces by Muslim terror in India. When are you going start to fight back? Any time now.... How about after another 100 million + are dead? Instead just the opposite happening : Your government ignores the threat and is dismissive of it with claims all people are the same and we can all get along. They ignore history and it's not even taught in politically correct schools.

Islam will rule India and probably the world in my lifetime.

LOL did you pull those numbers out of your ass or some hindu propaganda site? There's no crediblity to those numbers at all, especially from the times of Aurangzeb, Babur etc. If anything, the Mogul rulers in India brought prosperity and civilization to the locals. Don't forget it was the Hindu kings that essentially sold out their people to the conquering Moguls so that they could keep their luxurious lifestyles--the Hindus sold themselves out. War is part of human nature no matter what background you're from. Trying to depict a religion, which is just an ideal at best, as a driving force for war is ridiculously narrow minded and absurd but I wouldn't expect much more out of a pussy like you.