3 months whiout new Ryzen APU drivers

Shivansps

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What is going on here? 2200G and 2400G already launched with some beta drivers with issues and missing features, 3 months after launch and the 2200G/2400G still have the feb12 drivers.
 
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Assuming they're interested in supporting the product, then either they think they got it right as-is, or they're waiting to release updates for some reason.

All we can do is guess.
 

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Assuming they're interested in supporting the product, then either they think they got it right as-is, or they're waiting to release updates for some reason.

All we can do is guess.
That could be it, but I'm assuming that AMD will release new drivers sooner or later.
 

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The part i dont understand is why this is getting no priority, as far as i know AMD has no new big stuff coming out for at least a year now. The Feb12 Ryzen APU drivers are of the Crimson branch, they havent integrated RX Vega 8/10 (or the mobile ones) support on the Adrenalin branch yet. one would think this should be their top priority now for the driver team, but it seems not.
 
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The APUs do typically lag behind in driver releases. I've been frustrated with having to use many months old drivers for my laptop with Carrizo too.

Hopefully, there will be a new driver for the APUs in time for the big rollout of Win10 1803 supposed to happen on tuesday.
 
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I don't think the driver state is as bad as you're stating. I've had zero issues with my 2200G with a variety of display setups and I think it's fair to say most of the Summit Ridge owners are going to be much less concerned about the latest optimization compared to regular Vega owners.
 
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I don't think the driver state is as bad as you're stating. I've had zero issues with my 2200G with a variety of display setups and I think it's fair to say most of the Summit Ridge owners are going to be much less concerned about the latest optimization compared to regular Vega owners.

The driver is not feature complete (no Relive, encoder dosent work, no wattman, just to start), it also has issues, occacional bsods, and it has a significant IGP downcloking while gaming causing severe frame drops, if not overcloked, what left the A320 almost unusable, this is a lot worse on the 2400G but its also present on the 2200G.
 

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The driver is not feature complete (no Relive, encoder dosent work, no wattman, just to start), it also has issues, occacional bsods, and it has a significant IGP downcloking while gaming causing severe frame drops, if not overcloked, what left the A320 almost unusable, this is a lot worse on the 2400G but its also present on the 2200G.

Are you running a BIOS with the latest AGESA (1002a)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RietZFmaEJU
 

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The driver is not feature complete (no Relive, encoder dosent work, no wattman, just to start), it also has issues, occacional bsods, and it has a significant IGP downcloking while gaming causing severe frame drops, if not overcloked, what left the A320 almost unusable, this is a lot worse on the 2400G but its also present on the 2200G.

Relive: I wouldn't call that a high priority issue.
Wattman: What is this giving you that you don't get from Ryzen Master? Have they ever stated it SHOULD work?
BSODs: I've had zero since switching to the Gigabyte board. How did you determine the issue is due to the drivers?
IGP Downclocking: I'll have to play around with it more after I move, but I didn't notice any major issues.

Try looking at this from a regular users or even light gamers perspective. I personally don't know anybody who uses Relive, I had to Google what Wattman was, haven't had any BSODs, and haven't noticed any glaring issues with the IGP downclocking. Therefore, if I was AMD, this doesn't sound like a terribly high priority.
 

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Relive: I wouldn't call that a high priority issue.
Wattman: What is this giving you that you don't get from Ryzen Master? Have they ever stated it SHOULD work?
BSODs: I've had zero since switching to the Gigabyte board. How did you determine the issue is due to the drivers?
IGP Downclocking: I'll have to play around with it more after I move, but I didn't notice any major issues.

Try looking at this from a regular users or even light gamers perspective. I personally don't know anybody who uses Relive, I had to Google what Wattman was, haven't had any BSODs, and haven't noticed any glaring issues with the IGP downclocking. Therefore, if I was AMD, this doesn't sound like a terribly high priority.

Downclocking on all its glory:

As for the rest, is not feature complete, period, its not even using an adrenaline level driver, this is some kind of internal alphaish driver they released in a hurry.
There is just no way they think it is OK. Even the driver notes said that a new driver is coming out soon to fix some issue.
 

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Downclocking was fixed with 1002a (and you can manually set clocks as a workaround prior to this). You should ask MSI and/or ASRock for updates on a version with 1002a which came out a while ago. The ASRock page you linked has a beta BIOS with 1003a support.
 

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Downclocking on all its glory:

As for the rest, is not feature complete, period, its not even using an adrenaline level driver, this is some kind of internal alphaish driver they released in a hurry.
There is just no way they think it is OK. Even the driver notes said that a new driver is coming out soon to fix some issue.

It seems to me the main issues you're having is you bought A320 motherboards and you bought ones with bad/old BIOS's. I've had 1002a for almost a month now and as mentioned, I haven't noticed any down clocking issues.

I also have to play devils advocate here and ask if AMD ever said theses features would be supported?
 

Shivansps

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Downclocking was fixed with 1002a (and you can manually set clocks as a workaround prior to this). You should ask MSI and/or ASRock for updates on a version with 1002a which came out a while ago. The ASRock page you linked has a beta BIOS with 1003a support.
I did test with the beta 1.0.0.3 but it has old bug (also present on P4.40 on that board, that makes A8-9600 unable to past bios screen. Not to mention that i cant really use a beta driver in production.

Agesa 1.0.0.2a on Gigabyte A320M-HD2 is fine, no more downcloking.

As for the drivers, well, i took a look at the cabs, Windows already install the best avalible driver, version 3735, dated as 3/3/18. That is the newer driver out there.

The AMD webpage driver is version 3701.

Im testing this driver now, but this is going to take a while, im hoping it will make TDR Video Failure bsods more rare at the least, they are already rare with 3701 but they still happen from time to time.

It seems to me the main issues you're having is you bought A320 motherboards and you bought ones with bad/old BIOS's. I've had 1002a for almost a month now and as mentioned, I haven't noticed any down clocking issues.

I also have to play devils advocate here and ask if AMD ever said theses features would be supported?

This is some kind of joke? im not some random guy who got a A320 with a 2400G to play fornite.
 

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Relive: I wouldn't call that a high priority issue.
Wattman: What is this giving you that you don't get from Ryzen Master? Have they ever stated it SHOULD work?
BSODs: I've had zero since switching to the Gigabyte board. How did you determine the issue is due to the drivers?
IGP Downclocking: I'll have to play around with it more after I move, but I didn't notice any major issues.

Try looking at this from a regular users or even light gamers perspective. I personally don't know anybody who uses Relive, I had to Google what Wattman was, haven't had any BSODs, and haven't noticed any glaring issues with the IGP downclocking. Therefore, if I was AMD, this doesn't sound like a terribly high priority.
Seriously? Because you don't care is ok for AMD to give poor support for it's products, because "it works well enough"?
This is not ok, the driver situation for both the desktop and mobile APUs is sub optimal. There's work that need to be done and AMD is taking a bit too much time.
 

XavierMace

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I did not say they don't need to do anything. I said it's not as critical as the OP is making it. There's a difference.

I have zero issues gaming on my 2200G and I know there's plenty of others that aren't either. I asked how it was determined the stability issues were driver related not BIOS/firmware related to which I got no answer. Asrock's Summit Ridge firmware has been utter poo and would seem to me to be a more likely cause of the crashing. I asked what Wattman is giving you that you can't get from Ryzen Master. I didn't get a reply to that either. IGP downlocking has been stated multiple times to be resolved via BIOS/firmware updates, so again, not a driver issue.

That leaves Relive as the only thing that's purely a driver issue. Should it be fixed? Sure. But that is not something I'd classify as critical.
 
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Since there was talk that there would be a lot of driver changes needed for Vega, I've wondered if the APUs might have been serving as the target to build from for that. Quite a few of the changes seem like they would especially be good for APU (stuff like FP16 rapid packed math functionality), and I wonder if they might be looking at instituting some of the Ryzen power management features into the GPUs, and so the APUs would seemingly have some manner of support for those, so it'd be the way to start with it.

Although for that, its just the DRM stuff that Netflix is using, so it probably has to do with the video processing block and not the GPUs themselves.
 

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One have to wonder what is going on at AMD.
They are not able to release a WHQL driver for Win10 April 2018 Update for their graphics solutions in one package? Only initial support for dGPUs, separate driver again for Raven and their older APUs are still not supported.
 

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