3% yield rate for the R520, dont know how true this is tho...

[Drayvn]

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2487&s=1

I have a tendency to actually believe here than inquirer, i just hope the inquirer is right about this.

 

[Zebo]

Impossible, these cards would cost $10,000 a piece. There ar'nt to many accountants gonna even let them begin at those yeilds. BIG grain of salt.

 

[Drayvn]

I know, but thats not what im saying, im saying hopefully this rumour of 3% yield rate is wrong and its more than that as what the inquirer said that ATi are happy with yields.

Just read on another Forum that someone has some good sources that ATi have dropped the R520 to concentrate on the R580 because of these yield rates.

Again i dont know how true that statement was from the otehr forums so yea, just keeping everyone informed.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Just read on another Forum that someone has some good sources that ATi have dropped the R520 to concentrate on the R580 because of these yield rates.

So they should work on a even more advanced chip to improve yields?

Dunno, I just hope they launch something soon, otherwise they'll loose a customer.

 

[Killrose]

Ouch, not good if true. I did read somewheres else about this and it was mentioned that this might not nessairly be a problem with th e re-spin, but the actuall production process which could be taken care of with hardware tooling and/or gas temp adjustments.

Yes, i read it on the intranent..

 

[Corporate Thug]

Zebo is right, this would be financially impossible

 

[nRollo]

Wow.

Sort of puts a different light on all those "Wait for the R520" posts, doesn't it?

They can't launch 24/32 at 3% or less, and I have to wonder how 16 pipes will do, 700MHz or no.

ATI is hurting.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Wow.

Sort of puts a different light on all those "Wait for the R520" posts, doesn't it?

They can't launch 24/32 at 3% or less, and I have to wonder how 16 pipes will do, 700MHz or no.

ATI is hurting.

yay! lets accept rumors as facts

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Wow.

Sort of puts a different light on all those "Wait for the R520" posts, doesn't it?

They can't launch 24/32 at 3% or less, and I have to wonder how 16 pipes will do, 700MHz or no.

ATI is hurting.

Thing is we dont know how true any of these rumours are, on one hand ATi were pretty happy with yields on the other hand the yields are crappy.

Its difficult to tell the truth.

Also from an ATi conference meeting, that R520 is on track still and they are happy with its specs. So dunno....

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Rollo
Wow.

Sort of puts a different light on all those "Wait for the R520" posts, doesn't it?

They can't launch 24/32 at 3% or less, and I have to wonder how 16 pipes will do, 700MHz or no.

ATI is hurting.

yay! lets accept rumors as facts

If it's negative to ATI, then Rollo considers it fact.

 

[Insomniak]

This is normal for high end cards. The 5800 Ultra yielded around 10% at launch. Since these cards sell in such low volumes, low yields are acceptable. See here:


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1678&p=4



Still....I wonder...

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Rollo
Wow.

Sort of puts a different light on all those "Wait for the R520" posts, doesn't it?

They can't launch 24/32 at 3% or less, and I have to wonder how 16 pipes will do, 700MHz or no.

ATI is hurting.

yay! lets accept rumors as facts

If it's negative to ATI, then Rollo considers it fact.

or maybe he just wan't you to believe he consider it as a fact, so these tedious "no point whatsoever discussion" continues in every ATi or nvidia thread.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
This is normal for high end cards. The 5800 Ultra yielded around 10% at launch. Since these cards sell in such low volumes, low yields are acceptable. See here:


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1678&p=4



Still....I wonder...

Actually that article said 10-20% for nV30s, that they were getting 1-2 per 10. This is saying 1 per 30, or less.

Too low to sell profitably for sure, will be interesting to see what comes of this all. The move to a smaller die size is apparently not to a smooth transition, maybe ATI should have stuck with their "do it on the midrange first" approach.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Rollo
Wow.

Sort of puts a different light on all those "Wait for the R520" posts, doesn't it?

They can't launch 24/32 at 3% or less, and I have to wonder how 16 pipes will do, 700MHz or no.

ATI is hurting.

yay! lets accept rumors as facts

If it's negative to ATI, then Rollo considers it fact.

Just remember. You started it with this comment.

 

[kylebisme]

I'm pretty sure the "ATI is hurting" dispite the fact that the rumor is totally unsubstantiated is what started it.

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
This is normal for high end cards. The 5800 Ultra yielded around 10% at launch. Since these cards sell in such low volumes, low yields are acceptable. See here:


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1678&p=4



Still....I wonder...

Well, in that case they'd sell the chips that don't bin correctly as lower end chips though, so at least they're still making money.

 

[imported_Kensai]

When are we supposed to get R520 GPUs anyways?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I'm pretty sure the "ATI is hurting" dispite the fact that the rumor is totally unsubstantiated is what started it.

And I'm pretty sure you're wrong. With totally disregarding this rumor, ATI is obviously hurting. Not in sales. But getting their next line out the door. And the topic of the conversation is the R520 and nothing prior.

 

[Killrose]

Originally posted by: Kensai
When are we supposed to get R520 GPUs anyways?

I Keep watching Ati's stock. I figure once I see it make a substantial bounce back up, Ati will release/launch R520 shortly thereafter.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
I'm pretty sure the "ATI is hurting" dispite the fact that the rumor is totally unsubstantiated is what started it.

And I'm pretty sure you're wrong. With totally disregarding this rumor, ATI is obviously hurting. Not in sales. But getting their next line out the door. And the topic of the conversation is the R520 and nothing prior.

Fine ATI is hurting getting R520 out the door, in the grand scheme of things who cares. The thing is us enthusiasts make up (I'd guess) less then 5% of all computer users, most people don't have a clue about R520 and don't care, ATI is going to make their money on the previous generations even after R520 is out. Sure it looks great for nVidia to have the 7800GTX available in large numbers but most gamers are satisfied with their 9600s or 6600GTs. My point is that sure R520 isn't out but that only really matters to us enthusiasts who want something to talk about.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

I find it unlikely that ATI has shipped hundreds of Xenos chips for the Xbox360 dev kits, but can only get a 3% yield on the same TSMC process for a 24-pipe R520. This rumour smells a little fishy, so let's wait and see what's what in a few weeks.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Killrose

Originally posted by: Kensai
When are we supposed to get R520 GPUs anyways?

I Keep watching Ati's stock. I figure once I see it make a substantial bounce back up, Ati will release/launch R520 shortly thereafter.

Makes sense. The brokers will be the very first to hear any grapevine news and instruct their investors to buy driving the price up.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Impossible, these cards would cost $10,000 a piece. There ar'nt to many accountants gonna even let them begin at those yeilds. BIG grain of salt.

I trust Zebo.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: ariafrost

Originally posted by: Zebo
Impossible, these cards would cost $10,000 a piece. There ar'nt to many accountants gonna even let them begin at those yeilds. BIG grain of salt.

I trust Zebo.

He's right. Number Crunchers at ATI would not even entertain producing R520 at that yield rate.

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
I find it unlikely that ATI has shipped hundreds of Xenos chips for the Xbox360 dev kits, but can only get a 3% yield on the same TSMC process for a 24-pipe R520. This rumour smells a little fishy, so let's wait and see what's what in a few weeks.

Not the same thing...

Different design and architecture of chips.