3200+ Venice VS. 3700+ San Diego

Bxerkr

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Hi,

It is often said that the Athlon 64 3200+ Venice overclocks easily to 2.7GHz offering better value for money than the 3700+ San Diego. As I am trying to decide between these two CPUs I would like to know if this is a reliable performance gain and what practical advantages the 3700+ has over the 3200+. Thank you.
 

Fedcer

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Apart from the different clock speed, they aslo have different L2 cache. The 3200+ has 512Kb while the 3700+ has 1Mb. However, the cache size doesn't make a really big difference.
 

GuitarDaddy

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I have the 3700+ clocked at 2.8ghz and I love it, its very fast. Price/performance wize the 3200+ is probably the best bet, Although 2.7ghz isn't gauranteed by any means
 

Bxerkr

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Thanks for pointing that out GuitarDaddy, most reviews would have you believe that it is. :thumbsup:
 

AmdInside

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Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Originally posted by: Bxerkr
Thanks for pointing that out GuitarDaddy, most reviews would have you believe that it is. :thumbsup:


One of six venice cores I got recently did 2.7, the rest did only ~2.5ghz.

Nat

My venice did 2.6GHz but I had to up the voltage. At 2.5GHz, I was running at stock voltage. I think still though, I'd rather try my luck with a San Diego.

 

Fallengod

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Id get a 3200 venice off these forums for around $100 and oc it to an easy 2.6ghz at the very least. Thats the best bang 4 buck. People sell them used now for around $100-$115.
 

SolMiester

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Isnt the San Diego core the FX in disguise?, in which case the San Diego with the bigger cache would be the choice if performance out-weighted the need for value.
 

Bxerkr

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Originally posted by: SolMiester
Isnt the San Diego core the FX in disguise?, in which case the San Diego with the bigger cache would be the choice if performance out-weighted the need for value.


I'd like to think so, but there are many users that say the 1MB cache doesn't make much difference. Although if it increases processor longevity that would be tempting.
 

SolMiester

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The FX is the fastest single core cpu out there. If the ONLY difference is the large cache, then the bigger cache does make a difference with like cpu's running at the same speed!, No?
 

Bxerkr

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Originally posted by: SolMiester
The FX is the fastest single core cpu out there. If the ONLY difference is the large cache, then the bigger cache does make a difference with like cpu's running at the same speed!, No?

In theory what you are saying is true. But the reason given for undermining the 1MB cache in many reviews is, as they say, that few applications would take advantage of such a large cache. That is why I am asking about practical advantages. Furthermore, Athlon FXs have unlocked multipliers which very considerably enhance performance.
 

emokid111

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i have also been asking myself questions about this as i am looking at buying either a 3000+ (venice) from softghost.com for $122 or the 3700+ (san diego) from zipzoomfly.com for $209. both of these prices include shipping.

i just read a review of the venice vs. san diego issue. it appears that the san diego is the chip whose L2 cache worked more completely. the venice had some of its cache not work, so they disabled half of it (in other words, during the manufacture process, the san diego core is at the upper end of the spectrum/normal statistical curve). furthermore, the san diego is the same core that is used in the athlon 64-FX-55 and 57. however, on the non FX chips, its core multiplier cannot be increased. they probably saved the top 3% performing chips for the FX, because they could handle excessive heat/voltage/abuse (higher quality silicon).

The review also covered overclocking results between the two cores. overclocked from 2Ghz, at 2.6 Ghz for both venice (3200+) and san diego (3500+), gaming FPS rates were approximately the same (doom 3 run at 1280x1024). However, the venice vcore voltage had to be increased by approximately +.2V and the San diego core was able to overclock from 2Ghz to 2.6Ghz without increasing the core voltage. In my opinion this says that the San diego is a hell of a lot more overclockable (will run cooler at higher frequencies). the Venice was probably topping out around its 260Mhz system freq. i think the San diego could be pushed to 360Mhz (with the right mobo (asus) and cooling setup).

this difference in the end would be 2.6Ghz (Venice) and 3.6Ghz (san diego) for a fixed core multiplier between the two at 10x. and in overclocking, i would rather not have to increase the processor voltage. for non-overclocking use, the processors perform approximately the same.
 

xgunnas32

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max a sd would do on air is 3.05 i've seen
the lowest SD i've seen clocks at 2.7
i would spend 60more dollar for 200mhz and a 1mb cache which actually increases proformance by 2% for a 512kb even if not all of it is used (one of those AT articles).

u can always try ur luck with a opteron 144 for 150dollars, i havent seen anything below 2.6 for those
 
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