3200x1800 resolution laptops?!

wand3r3r

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I was just browsing the hot deals on the Tech Buyers Guru and noticed a laptop with 3200x1800 resolution!

The Lenovo Yoga 2 pro model.

I don't know what rock I've been sitting under but that's amazing! I can't believe 1080p-1600p are so basic and get so expensive on monitors. I'd love to try one of these laptops.

It was here:
http://techbuyersguru.com/hotdealsblog/
 

FiLeZz

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I picked up the yoga 2 pro last night. i7 256gb ssd and the screen res of 3200x1800.

So far I really like it.
 

serpretetsky

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I was just browsing the hot deals on the Tech Buyers Guru and noticed a laptop with 3200x1800 resolution!

The Lenovo Yoga 2 pro model.

I don't know what rock I've been sitting under but that's amazing! I can't believe 1080p-1600p are so basic and get so expensive on monitors. I'd love to try one of these laptops.

It was here:
http://techbuyersguru.com/hotdealsblog/
you and I have been sitting under the same rocket. That's pretty cool.
 

Infohawk

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I don't understand the purpose of resolution that is this high when the OS doesn't really support it. What is so great about it at this point in time?
 

GTRagnarok

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The 3200x1800 displays that are out use a pentile RGBW subpixel layout, which basically means there are only half the number of red, green, and blue subpixels compared to the same resolution RGB display. They also need a while subpixel in order to be bright enough without killing the battery. So far, it looks like the use of RGBW is making color reproduction suffer, most notable in the Yoga 2 Pro.

To me, it's just a marketing ploy not unlike the megapixel race - achieve the highest resolution at any cost. Give me lower res, proper RGB display any day.
 

Infohawk

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The 3200x1800 displays that are out use a pentile RGBW subpixel layout, which basically means there are only half the number of red, green, and blue subpixels compared to the same resolution RGB display. They also need a while subpixel in order to be bright enough without killing the battery. So far, it looks like the use of RGBW is making color reproduction suffer, most notable in the Yoga 2 Pro.

To me, it's just a marketing ploy not unlike the megapixel race - achieve the highest resolution at any cost. Give me lower res, proper RGB display any day.

What do you think the limit is then for good performance? Full HD or higher?
 

gus6464

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What do you think the limit is then for good performance? Full HD or higher?

I set my rMBP to the native res today and I needed a damn microscope to see stuff. I would say 1080p on a 13" and 1200p on 15".
 

wand3r3r

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The 3200x1800 displays that are out use a pentile RGBW subpixel layout, which basically means there are only half the number of red, green, and blue subpixels compared to the same resolution RGB display. They also need a while subpixel in order to be bright enough without killing the battery. So far, it looks like the use of RGBW is making color reproduction suffer, most notable in the Yoga 2 Pro.

To me, it's just a marketing ploy not unlike the megapixel race - achieve the highest resolution at any cost. Give me lower res, proper RGB display any day.

Is that factual, the colors are a little off (how much, noticeable, slightly noticeable etc.?)

I'd still love to see more high resolution screens. The 1366x768 or whatever they are (under 1080p) should be banished, they've been selling the same garbage screens for 10 years.

I love the iphone screen, the pixel density along with pretty vibrant colors are great. High density screens on PC monitors would be very welcome. I'm waiting for 4k to hit at a reasonable price with decent specs.

Anyways, I'm still quite excited to see that laptop. I want to see it in person next to a standard screen.
 

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The 3200x1800 displays that are out use a pentile RGBW subpixel layout, which basically means there are only half the number of red, green, and blue subpixels compared to the same resolution RGB display. They also need a while subpixel in order to be bright enough without killing the battery. So far, it looks like the use of RGBW is making color reproduction suffer, most notable in the Yoga 2 Pro.

To me, it's just a marketing ploy not unlike the megapixel race - achieve the highest resolution at any cost. Give me lower res, proper RGB display any day.

Where did you read that they were using a pentile matrix?
 
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All the reviews of the yoga 2 praise the screen, and I have to agree it does look great. I came from a retina MacBook pro.

Looking good isn't necessarily the same as color accurate.

But if you're happy with the purchase, that's what counts.
 

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Where did you read that they were using a pentile matrix?

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Idea-Wi...ro-13-Yellow-Color-Issues/td-p/1270427/page/6

From the Lenovo Admin:

All,

Thank you all for the continued feedback. I'm glad the change to max performance in the energy manager produces improved results. For those just joining the discussion, I'd like to share a bit of information on the particular LCD display panel used in this, as well in some competitor models.

Yoga 2 Pro incorporates a PenTile panel, which uses a modified RGBW grid that differs from standard RGB in two ways: first, the physical pixel layout is different, and second, it uses a white sub-pixel (hence RGBW). The white sub-pixel is actually a clear pixel that allows the backlight to come through without any color filter, resulting in a brighter screen at much lower power consumption rates.

As demonstrated by temporarily changing the Lenovo Energy Management to Performance mode, the yellow brightness can be increased considerably, with the result of shifting closer to a brighter yellow, rather than the somewhat olive tint with the default settings.

Some have suggested that the default settings on other systems that incorporate this panel may appear closer to a true yellow. We compared side by side with a Samsung 940X this morning

This first photo shows the systems set at same brightness level with Lenovo default energy management settings:
The Yoga 2 Pro (on the right) produces a yellow that has a green tint and appears a shade or two more green than the Samsung (on the left). Please also note that the Samsung also displays yellow with a green tint which suggests that this is an aspect of the panel across the industry.



Then, here is the same comparison showing the previously suggested energy management setting changes.
It is now comparable to or perhaps one shade brighter than the Samsung.



Apologies for the quality of the pics - taken with my camera phone.

So, the greenish tint is an artifact of the specific LCD panel technology and is fairly consistent with other systems using the same panel. That said, it appears that it is possible to affect the displayed color, and so I believe we are exploring what optimizations we could make via a potential update.

During our testing, we also confirmed a glitch reported in this thread by Jrcbandit, that when the screen dims (due to power management) or when the system sleeps and then resumes (power management) that the default brightness levels return, necessitating an re-toggle of the settings. I would expect that to be addressed in a software update.

We'll pass along updates as available.

Best regards,

Mark

There's some hope that it can be compensated for through software/firmware adjustments, but for now it seems a product of the panel. At the very least, those with the laptop can compensate by using "high performance mode", but that's obviously not a good long-term solution.

It's definitely an annoyance. I would have been happy with a 1080p Yoga if it meant a better overall display.
 

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Is that factual, the colors are a little off (how much, noticeable, slightly noticeable etc.?)
The Yoga definitely has a color issue. But that's Lenovo's fault, not a panel issue. The same panel in the Samsung Book 9+ is awesome.
 

aigomorla

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all that real estate makes me sad on a 13 inch screen!!!!
 

wand3r3r

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The 3200x1800 displays that are out use a pentile RGBW subpixel layout, which basically means there are only half the number of red, green, and blue subpixels compared to the same resolution RGB display. They also need a while subpixel in order to be bright enough without killing the battery. So far, it looks like the use of RGBW is making color reproduction suffer, most notable in the Yoga 2 Pro.

To me, it's just a marketing ploy not unlike the megapixel race - achieve the highest resolution at any cost. Give me lower res, proper RGB display any day.

What you are referring to is presumably what is demonstrated with that picture below?

All the reviews of the yoga 2 praise the screen, and I have to agree it does look great. I came from a retina MacBook pro.

Have you compared the Macbook, Yoga 2, and a normal laptop with the "usual" screens? What's your take on them, are there clear differences when side by side, if so what are they?

Here's the Yoga 2 Pro screen under a microscope (top is displaying white, bottom is yellow).



http://forum.notebookreview.com/ide...yoga-2-pro-release-thread-21.html#post9410956

So what this is demonstrating is that only half of the pixels are used for certain colors?

That picture is intriguing, I'd like to know more about what's going on with it.
 
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FwFred

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Have you compared the Macbook, Yoga 2, and a normal laptop with the "usual" screens? What's your take on them, are there clear differences when side by side, if so what are they?

I think the screen on my Yoga 2 Pro is much better than my 2011 Macbook Air or my HP. It helps to use the Performance mode. I also turned down the greens a bit in the Intel display manager. I couldn't go back to a TN screen with 55% sRGB coverage, though a 100% sRGB coverage IPS display like the Macbook Retina would be an upgrade.

To compare displays, I use my U2713HM as a reference.
 

GTRagnarok

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So what this is demonstrating is that only half of the pixels are used for certain colors?

That picture is intriguing, I'd like to know more about what's going on with it.
All the available pixels are being used, but there are less of them than if the display was a normal RGB stripe. Consider 2 pixels next to each other on an RGB display compared to this one.

RGB RGB
RG BW

With RGB, you have twice as many color-producing subpixels per pixel. In other words, if you're displaying a solid red image on this pentile display, the red subpixel is only present in every other pixel.
 

monkeydelmagico

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Seems really dumb to run those kinds of resolutions of tiny screens. I think 1080 on a smartphone is dumb too though. Hey what do I know
 

FwFred

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Online at lenovo.com. I have a 30 day free return period, so I have plenty of time to get familiar before I decide.
 

Towlie

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Seems no-one wants to review this. The screen issues, soso battery and poorer gpu make it less attractive to me than some other competitors.
 
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