$35,000 Tesla Model III Is Coming In 2017

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Maximus96

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I have no idea if any security is implemented, but if they have thought of this at all, it is a completely trivial issue to prevent. Improper certificate presented, no electrons flow (no idea if they do it this way, but it is trivial). It isn't just a dumb outlet.

that sounds fair enough, but there are nothing to prevent any tampering by kids or hooligans right?

i'm actually considering a volt or prius plugin so i'm trying to understand the public charging process
 

Ferzerp

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that sounds fair enough, but there are nothing to prevent any tampering by kids or hooligans right?

i'm actually considering a volt or prius plugin so i'm trying to understand the public charging process

Someone unplugging it while it is charging might be a concern, I don't know if the chargers lock. Other than that, your same concern could be raised about parking in any public place. I'm all for being critical of the car in the current incarnation (too expensive for what you get and too much hype), but this isn't one of the areas to worry. That said, the silly people willing to pay for them will subsidize the battery research (more than we all already are), so there is a benefit there.
 

Imported

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that sounds fair enough, but there are nothing to prevent any tampering by kids or hooligans right?

i'm actually considering a volt or prius plugin so i'm trying to understand the public charging process

If someone was so inclined, they could unplug it. I've heard of stories around here of that.
 

BoberFett

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I have seen probably 10-12 tesla's in Minneapolis ... and a crapload of Leafs floating around.

I've seen a few around here. There's one I see regularly during my commute home in the north burbs.

MN is just not electric friendly with our extreme weather swings.
 

herm0016

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going to be lots of compatiton between this, the a3 etron, volt gen 2, prii, and im sure even more electrics by the time it comes out.
 

smackababy

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I've seen a few around here. There's one I see regularly during my commute home in the north burbs.

MN is just not electric friendly with our extreme weather swings.

You'd think the same about Chicago, but I see a ton where I live. Granted, I live in a more affluent neighborhood than most. It is rare to see an SUV that isn't a Range Rover or a Mercedes that isn't an S-class around here.
 

Midwayman

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That's not unplugging but vandalism not to mention extremely dangerous and idiotic.

Criminals aren't known to be smart. I knew a kid back in high school that would cut seat belts off that he found sticking out of the bottom of car doors parked at the mall. Just to be a little shit you know. If someone is looking to fuck with your fancy pants electric car they might do it anyways. Just saying that if you have to leave it plugged in where someone can get to it, locking the charger in isn't going to stop those sorts of people.
 

Midwayman

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You'd think the same about Chicago, but I see a ton where I live. Granted, I live in a more affluent neighborhood than most. It is rare to see an SUV that isn't a Range Rover or a Mercedes that isn't an S-class around here.

Glenview is nice and all, but I see far more E class than anything in Mercedes sedans. Most common luxury SUV has to be the acura ones.
 

tweakmonkey

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Not sure I understand what people are talking about here 100% - but I think the point he's making is sure someone could cut the charger, just the same as they could throw a brick through your window. If they cut the charger they probably would disable it... in other words, it's not like someone's going to come along to your electric car, use bolt cutters to remove the charger forcefully then plug in their car instead for 30+ minutes to save a few quarters

Also on pay-meter chargers, you could have it so disconnecting it would shut it off and require re-verification via credit card or whatever. As soon as it loses connection, shut it off.
 

jagec

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Not sure I understand what people are talking about here 100% - but I think the point he's making is sure someone could cut the charger, just the same as they could throw a brick through your window.
The difference is that throwing a brick through the window is easy enough that any idiot can do it without causing injury to themselves. Cutting a cable that is plugged in and locked to a charging EV, or disabling the charger that it is attached to, is either more difficult or much more dangerous, depending on how you do it.
 

Fire&Blood

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At ~$35k, as long as the model 3 is a reasonable downgrade of the Model S, has a 200+ mile range, I'm in.

This is just a hunch it will be 80% of the Model S at 40% of it's price tag.
 

Kaido

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At ~$35k, as long as the model 3 is a reasonable downgrade of the Model S, has a 200+ mile range, I'm in.

This is just a hunch it will be 80% of the Model S at 40% of it's price tag.

I predict they'll sell like hotcakes. The only issue is public infrastructure. Nearly everytime I've hung out with my EV-driving buddies, we've always gotten stuck somewhere waiting for a charger to become available. Tesla has tried to circumvent that with their 30-minute Superchargers so at least you're not waiting very long, but my state only has like one or two in the whole place.

I do think one big benefit is that Tesla weatherproofs their batteries. My buddy's Honda Fit EV gets about 20 miles of range when it gets really cold in the winter, even when fully-charged. Plus having 200 miles available is a much more realistic range than today's 80-mile models.

One car I'd like to see improved is the Chevy Volt. Outside of the Honda Accord hybrid, I think it's the best design on the market. You get some EV range and then as much gasoline range as you want. If they could do like an 80-mile range instead of a 30-mile range & add a better engine so it's not so slow, that'd be a real winner.
 

dawp

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just clicked the link, who does scheduled maintenance at 2 in the afternoon?
 

billbobaggins87

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If they base at 35k pre rebates that is amazing. the big kicker will be 200 miles. the closer to that number the stronger the sales. Honestly the car looks awesome especially with the Hp, looks like a fun family car.
 

Fire&Blood

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I predict they'll sell like hotcakes. The only issue is public infrastructure. Nearly everytime I've hung out with my EV-driving buddies, we've always gotten stuck somewhere waiting for a charger to become available. Tesla has tried to circumvent that with their 30-minute Superchargers so at least you're not waiting very long, but my state only has like one or two in the whole place.

I do think one big benefit is that Tesla weatherproofs their batteries. My buddy's Honda Fit EV gets about 20 miles of range when it gets really cold in the winter, even when fully-charged. Plus having 200 miles available is a much more realistic range than today's 80-mile models.

One car I'd like to see improved is the Chevy Volt. Outside of the Honda Accord hybrid, I think it's the best design on the market. You get some EV range and then as much gasoline range as you want. If they could do like an 80-mile range instead of a 30-mile range & add a better engine so it's not so slow, that'd be a real winner.

I don't expect traditional car businesses to offer a "real competitor" to Tesla, at least not before model 3 hits the streets. Looking at mass produced EV's they are all lower tier designs and their EV abilities reflect their inferior status in respective lineups. So And frankly, I don't want them to. Tesla doesn't need further incentive, the bar was set high and was met with Model S. That car is neck to neck with finest of sedans out there. 2nd car they ever made.

With the model 3 Tesla is to penetrate the mass consumer market and frankly that has me excited. I was converted to EV's when a friendly owner drove me for a lap around the west county mall in STL (the only one I ever saw here).

Until recently, I was just another guy taking the motorist tolls imposed on us but now I just want to jam a MAF sensor up everyone in the big oil business.
CEL can go to hell too. I'm sure "check battery light" with it's never failing LED's is around the corner but at least it will look different. And at least in the beginning it will be Tesla only meaning you want have to deal with morally bankrupt managers and driven crazy to get a $472 charge reversed because they "forgot" that both a recall was issued and a warranty was extended on the MAF sensor. Anyway...

I'm really looking forward to the 3. I'm in love with the model S design language. I do think 3 will match or beat BMW's 3 in many categories but with the smaller chassis, there is the battery size and power/range issue. Down the road, I would want a 100 kWh battery to completely kill range anxiety but with the 3 I would settle 200 miles.
 

mmntech

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If they base at 35k pre rebates that is amazing. the big kicker will be 200 miles. the closer to that number the stronger the sales. Honestly the car looks awesome especially with the Hp, looks like a fun family car.

That's 200mi under ideal conditions as well. Not sure how well the Teslas do in cold climates but I know that's a big area where the Leaf suffers.

Plus 35k probably doesn't include the Supercharger, which adds about another $2-3k to the price.

They're nice cars though and the Gigafactory will go a long way to getting the battery prices down. If I had the money to buy one, it would be an ideal commuter. But I'd still want a gasoline vehicle if I need to go any distance. Infrastructure still isn't quite there.
 

PricklyPete

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I really want to get one of these, but I really need a 300 mile, AWD, and slight ground clearance for our next car. If they make a $40-50k version of the model X with a 300 mile range...than I would be very interested
 
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