$35,000 Tesla Model III Is Coming In 2017

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Aikouka

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Did I miss your liquid or vinyl wrap, or did you just do a chrome delete? Piiiiiiiics?

Service is one of the things that scares me about Tesla right now...I have 4 Ford dealerships within 20 minutes of me, plus the parts are pretty common, so I could go to pretty much any mechanic or DIY if needed.

How's your overall feeling with your 3 so far? Still enjoying it but still ready for the performance upgrade?

Hm, I might not have posted any photos of my chrome delete. In my case, it was just a satin black vinyl wrap around all chrome parts except for the front and rear Tesla emblem. I guess I don't really consider it perfect unless I get black wheels, but I'm also too cheap to buy the wheels.

Service really wasn't that bad, and if you're in an area like NYC, it shouldn't be bad at all. The biggest pain for me was just that driving there or back home took 1.5 hours. Also, they really prefer using the Tesla Mobile Service if they can, which is probably even more handy than your average dealer as they'll literally come to you and work on the car. I had my turn signal module thing replaced in mine by the Tesla Ranger, and it was pretty simple.

Well, I can say that it was certainly odd going from a Model 3 to a Cadillac XTS as my rental car (paid for by Tesla). "Where'd my regenerative braking go!?" "Does this thing even have an engine? It accelerates so slowly!" "Is this the 1980s? This in-dash screen is so small!" I still don't know if I necessarily need the Performance model, but I'd definitely prefer to at least get the AWD model rather than my RWD. I still remember... I was going to change my car to AWD when I saw that I had finally been locked into the RWD model instead.
 

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I recommend at least switching to 220V. The problem is that 110V is really inefficient to the point where I was seeing between 67-72% charging efficiency. I use a Tesla wall connector now, and I get around 92-98% efficiency.
I don't have a choice at this time because my home doesn't have any 220 hookups (one total and it's for the electric oven) - and our panel is packed for lights, garage etc. Some day we may add an ADU in which case we'll add a bigger hookup/box and have 220 for our cars.

That said, I can't imagine the 110 is really that much less efficient than the 220. I might test it at some point with my kill-a-watt etc. but I can't change it for at for several months so I'm not that worried about it. She only needs about 10-12% battery per day for commuting luckily
 
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Aikouka

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I don't have a choice at this time because my home doesn't have any 220 hookups (one total and it's for the electric oven) - and our panel is packed for lights, garage etc. Some day we may add an ADU in which case we'll add a bigger hookup/box and have 220 for our cars.

That said, I can't imagine the 110 is really that much less efficient than the 220. I might test it at some point with my kill-a-watt etc. but I can't change it for at for several months so I'm not that worried about it. She only needs about 10-12% battery per day for commuting luckily

My numbers are based off of what TelsaFi reports. When you charge, it will tell you how much actual power you used, how much went into the car, and the overall cost.

It might be possible to add a 220V, but I don't really know what your setup is. I know you said that you're using two circuits right now, but I don't know if those are separate breakers (and if so, are they beside each other), or if it's just a single tandem breaker. On the flip side, it's also possible to just add sub-panel that would handle all garage circuits including the chargers. That would also add a nice benefit to freeing up some space in the main panel.
 

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I have been really considering the Model 3 with auto pilot. I drive around 100 miles a day for work (96 mile round trip to be exact) 5 days a week and I have been doing this for going on 14 years now working at the same company all this time. The drive is a killer and I get extremely bored. The saving in gas alone would be awesome as I spend easily $400+ a month in fuel just for my commuter. Auto Pilot is the icing on top because I could actually relax a bit more on the drive.

The only thing I have not looked into though I need to is how much the maintenance is for owning this car and what the added electrical costs would be. I'm thinking if I did go with a Tesla it would be in a couple of years anyway because I want to get the wife a new car first. She has been driving her 06 Infiniti FX35 since 2009.
 

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Highly recommend watching this

Review from Germany in English. Check out the track part for sure.
 

Aikouka

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So, I've run across a bit of an interesting and unfortunate predicament. I'd like to think that my house has taught me well about things that I don't want in another house, and one of those is a pole in the middle of my garage. Due to the pole, I have to weave in and out of my garage. It's not exactly a hard maneuver, but when backing out, you have to go back at an angle enough to ensure you reach the opening. ...and I'm sure you can guess where this is going. I've caught myself cutting back in too early a few times without any issue, but I wasn't so lucky this last time. But, it's nothing serious... just a little ding -- well, two small dings -- and some scraped paint, so no problem, right?

Well, unfortunately... most repair places won't touch my car. You tell them it's a Tesla, and they will just cut you off right there. So far, I've only received a single estimate of nearly $2000, which really turned me off when I saw that they tacked on a diagnostic fee of $100 twice -- once at the beginning and once at the end. They tried to chalk that up to making sure the car is good when it comes in, and after they're done working on it. It seems like any place that asks if insurance will be paying for it is out to tack on nearly as many billable items as possible (makes it seem like medical isn't the only sketchy area). I just want two small dents pulled.

I'm pretty much at the point where I'm tempted to try repairing it myself. Although, you reach another awkward part of owning a Tesla... Tesla can't keep their accessories in stock well enough. Just like I can't buy a key fob for my Model 3, I can't buy the Midnight Silver Metallic touch-up paint for my car either. I've found some kits on Amazon for it, but I'm not sure how accurate they are.
 

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So, I've run across a bit of an interesting and unfortunate predicament. I'd like to think that my house has taught me well about things that I don't want in another house, and one of those is a pole in the middle of my garage. Due to the pole, I have to weave in and out of my garage. It's not exactly a hard maneuver, but when backing out, you have to go back at an angle enough to ensure you reach the opening. ...and I'm sure you can guess where this is going. I've caught myself cutting back in too early a few times without any issue, but I wasn't so lucky this last time. But, it's nothing serious... just a little ding -- well, two small dings -- and some scraped paint, so no problem, right?

Well, unfortunately... most repair places won't touch my car. You tell them it's a Tesla, and they will just cut you off right there. So far, I've only received a single estimate of nearly $2000, which really turned me off when I saw that they tacked on a diagnostic fee of $100 twice -- once at the beginning and once at the end. They tried to chalk that up to making sure the car is good when it comes in, and after they're done working on it. It seems like any place that asks if insurance will be paying for it is out to tack on nearly as many billable items as possible (makes it seem like medical isn't the only sketchy area). I just want two small dents pulled.

I'm pretty much at the point where I'm tempted to try repairing it myself. Although, you reach another awkward part of owning a Tesla... Tesla can't keep their accessories in stock well enough. Just like I can't buy a key fob for my Model 3, I can't buy the Midnight Silver Metallic touch-up paint for my car either. I've found some kits on Amazon for it, but I'm not sure how accurate they are.

That's the beauty of being an early adopter

Seriously though, that's crazy - the 3 has been shipping since July 2017, so it's not really a "new" car anymore. Plus the S has been shipping since June 2012, so you'd think they'd have a better infrastructure setup by now. Can't get touchup paint? Can't buy a a keyfob? Can't get repair support for dents? C'mon now.

My gut feeling is that Tesla will pull out of their current difficulties & things will get better in the future, just not on Musk's overly-ambitious timeline. Self-driving is inevitable, as are electric cars in general, but getting that infrastructure up & rolling is still going to take some time. Up until maybe a year ago, my state (CT) only had like one or two charging locations in the ENTIRE state! It looks we have eleven public Superchargers active now with another eight in the works, but that's still less than 20 in the entire state. The city of Chicago is going to have the whole state beat pretty soon lol.
 

Aikouka

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Seriously though, that's crazy - the 3 has been shipping since July 2017, so it's not really a "new" car anymore. Plus the S has been shipping since June 2012, so you'd think they'd have a better infrastructure setup by now. Can't get touchup paint? Can't buy a a keyfob? Can't get repair support for dents? C'mon now.

The one company that I visited told me that they wouldn't work on them due to Tesla only wanting to provide parts to Tesla-certified repair centers. Although, I'm fairly certain that I heard that Tesla isn't doing that anymore as they've even started selling some parts to end users. (I believe this is very recent though.) In this case, while the collision repair place wasn't expecting to need to replace anything, they wanted to make sure they'd be able to buy something like a retention clip in case one broke. The company mentioned that it was possible for them to get certified, but it was never really worth the high cost for the low volume of cars. However, given the increasing number of Model 3s that I've seen on the road lately, I think places will start changing their tune by the end of the year.

Right now, I'm strongly considering fixing the dents and such myself. At worst, these places will fix the entire panel for me anyway, so if I make it slightly worse, it's not that big of a deal. I'm going to try the touch-up paint on Amazon that comes with a primer due to the scrape going straight down to the bare aluminum. (Probably didn't help that the plastic flashing on the garage cracked and acted like a jagged edge.)

As for the accessories, I'm not sure what the deal is there. I can maybe understand the touch-up paint as they likely only make it in smaller batches, but you can buy plenty of other colors -- including the default black. I'm not too sure what their issue is with the key fob. I mean... it's a bit of a slight that the keyfob doesn't even do proximity-based access. I mostly just want it so I can stop opening the frunk from the app while outside of the car.

Up until maybe a year ago, my state (CT) only had like one or two charging locations in the ENTIRE state! It looks we have eleven public Superchargers active now with another eight in the works, but that's still less than 20 in the entire state. The city of Chicago is going to have the whole state beat pretty soon lol.

Looks like you have us beat as we've only got seven with three in the works. The closest one to me is about 45 minutes away. Taking a peek over, it looks like Atlanta (metro) has four with five in the works, which puts that metro area only one behind the entire state.
 

Aikouka

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I learned something a bit interesting about the Model 3 the other day. In my quest to make minor repairs, I wanted to jack the car up and remove the wheel to give me better access to that general area. I had heard something before about needing to use mount pads with the Tesla, which I was able to to find. They look kind of like air hockey sticks. Then I asked the million dollar question, "Okay... so where do the jack stands go?"

Well, turns out there isn't a decent spot for them. I saw one video where someone pointed out how you can remove a small bit of underbelly lining and use a point there for the front, but I didn't know where to do it in the back. I did read a bit about how you have to be careful or else you can cause damage to the battery pack's housing. I ended up finding a YouTube video that pointed out this product that's essentially a combination jackstand + mount pad called the Rennstand from Safe Jack. They looked quite simple to use, but with their only downside being the higher price tag ($125 per stand + $19 per adapter).

I ended up buying two of them. So, I guess we'll see how well they work when they arrive next week!

I also managed to snag some of the Tesla touch-up paint as it was finally in stock for the Midnight Silver Metallic color. I've currently got touch-up paint from two other suppliers, so I'm curious to see which ends up looking the best. It's an interesting comparison because they each provide different things. For example, one of them provided primer. At this point, I probably need to start doing some research into proper technique. I've been told that properly blending the clearcoat will likely be the hardest part.
 

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I learned something a bit interesting about the Model 3 the other day. In my quest to make minor repairs, I wanted to jack the car up and remove the wheel to give me better access to that general area. I had heard something before about needing to use mount pads with the Tesla, which I was able to to find. They look kind of like air hockey sticks. Then I asked the million dollar question, "Okay... so where do the jack stands go?"

Well, turns out there isn't a decent spot for them. I saw one video where someone pointed out how you can remove a small bit of underbelly lining and use a point there for the front, but I didn't know where to do it in the back. I did read a bit about how you have to be careful or else you can cause damage to the battery pack's housing. I ended up finding a YouTube video that pointed out this product that's essentially a combination jackstand + mount pad called the Rennstand from Safe Jack. They looked quite simple to use, but with their only downside being the higher price tag ($125 per stand + $19 per adapter).

I ended up buying two of them. So, I guess we'll see how well they work when they arrive next week!

I also managed to snag some of the Tesla touch-up paint as it was finally in stock for the Midnight Silver Metallic color. I've currently got touch-up paint from two other suppliers, so I'm curious to see which ends up looking the best. It's an interesting comparison because they each provide different things. For example, one of them provided primer. At this point, I probably need to start doing some research into proper technique. I've been told that properly blending the clearcoat will likely be the hardest part.

That's something I worry about...I rely on my car for work 6 to 7 days a week; downtime really stinks for me. There are Ford dealerships all over the state & it's easy to get parts/service/repairs done quickly.

Did the jacks end up working?
 

Aikouka

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That's something I worry about...I rely on my car for work 6 to 7 days a week; downtime really stinks for me. There are Ford dealerships all over the state & it's easy to get parts/service/repairs done quickly.

Did the jacks end up working?

I won't receive them until tomorrow, and I'll need to also pick up a jack to work with it. (Haven't had a reason to buy one yet!) However, I did see a video on i1Tesla, which is how I found out about those specific jack stands, and they seemed to work just fine. They aren't just for Tesla as they have various other adapters too. I'll probably end up working on it this weekend as I'll have to remove the tire and such.

Although, I do think this whole affair brings up an interesting problem. Generally, I would assume that most people don't have multiple cars, and they can't be waiting for a long period of time to have their car repaired. Tesla has this habit of either having very fast repairs done by mobile technicians, or having people wait weeks to months just for parts. I'm guessing that it's difficult for them because their main goal is to make parts to make cars to make money. Making parts to just sit on them seems almost a little inefficient for their business model.
 

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Just got back from a 2000 mile trip in the model 3 (long range dual motor). IT WAS AWESOME. Five years ago I wouldn't have believed this was possible. Here's a super long post about it....

Approx Route excluding side trips and demos:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/San...d24186988!2m2!1d-122.2605222!2d37.5071591!3e0

Supercharger map on West coast:
https://supercharge.info/map?Center=LatLng(42.689295, -121.728516)&Zoom=6&RangeMi=175

Two hiccups.

The first hiccup and on the first SC we went to in Corning had a queue, because 4/8 chargers were full speed while 2 weren't working and 1 was slower (30 kw/h). We thought it might cause us a 1-2 hour delay. GREAT - "this is what happens when you take a road trip in a Tesla" we thought and immediately thought about what a mistake we'd made (or at least I did). And it did delay us about 40 minutes. Luckily there was a Starbucks there and the other T owners were helpful and we did not have to wait for a charge spot again the whole trip.

The only dreaded queue we saw - at the first charger of course:


Second HICCUP and this was a big one: There was a July 4 parade blocking the chargers that morning in Crescent City - so we charged at a nearby hotel for 20 minutes then couldn't charge for another 80 miles to the south (the car had 110 miles expected and arrived with about 40 miles to empty). The ms was sweating bullets but I played it cool. I've had worst range anxiety but it's still a bit scary to drive 80 miles in the middle of the woods with no towns around with only 35% battery/ We arrived with 11%.

Other than that every charger had plenty of room and we didn't have to wait for queues at all. Most of the chargers would have 10+ stalls with 2 or 3 cars charging, some had as many as 20 with as few as 0 other cars. Average charge time was probably about 40 minutes (charging every 200 or so miles, or charging 20 minutes if we drove 100 between charges) and almost every time we did stop, we'd use it as an excuse to use the rest room somewhere and walk the dog. By the time we were done with that, it was usually 80% (good to drive another 240 miles if we had to!). We usually charged around 30-40% just cause there was a charger nearby. On the longer stops like lunch or shopping, we actually were told by the app to move our car because it was nearly full, and twice I did move it because it was over 93% and my GF was still shopping or our food wasn't done yet. We scheduled to arrive to my mom's with 30% or so charge remaining. There was no SC in their county but there were L2 6.6 kw chargers 2 miles away. We tried that once while shopping for groceries but instead just plugged it into their 110V anytime we weren't driving and left their house a couple days later with 80% anyway. That included giving the family rides.

Charge Summary for Trip to Washington from California:

Day 1 California:
Left house with 95% charge.
charged in Downing, CA (where there a small queue at Starbucks). Ate lunch here. Probably stationary for 80 minutes due to that queue and our first time newbiness.
charged in Mt Shasta (beautiful stop! all chargers available pretty much and they also had some DC chargers). probably stationary for 30m. Used restrooms/walked dog.
Arrived in Ashland for the night, parked car with Sentry mode.

Day 2 Oregon & WA: left with 50% or so I think.
Charged in Grant's Pass (neat area to walk around but not the best parking lot to wait in). Stationary about 30m. Went to a gas station to buy a squeegie and checked out some statues/art.
charged in Eugene (Springfield). Also beautiful stop. We had lunch at a nice pub right near by. Had to use dog mode a bit. Had to move the car before our lunch was served because it was almost full. Maybe stopped 1 hour, 1:15 tops.
charged in Vancouver, WA (my friend was hiking nearby so we met him. Then my GF went shopping. Unplugged the car at 97%.
Arrived at my mom's Bainbridge Island. Plugged it in and visited family for 3 days. Used it for various errands and giving people rides. Probably stopped an hour but I was visited with a friend for 20-30 minutes.

Approaching Shasta:


Nice little area for the charger. You can see the mountain in the background.


Also spotted in this parking lot: a DC fast charger (50KW) -- that we cannot use yet -- and L2 charger (6KW).


We also chewed through the battery a lot faster in California because it was up to 95 degrees in parts (running AC) and we were driving about 80 MPH. And when you are charging, it's really a nice place to sit,crank the AC, listen to music, charge your phone and have some break.

All charging stops on the whole trip were on our route except 1 stop (where we drove 15 miles across portland basically just to charge, but it was interesting to see more of the city anyway). Portland's SC stuff is crappy currently.

The only things I'd wished for were more superchargers and a DC fast charger adapter so I could top off whenever I found one near where we'd be parking anyway such as rest stops and town centers. We did use some Tesla destination chargers (10 kw) and that helps. But the superchargers go 150 kw when you start from a low battery which is VERY fast.

As charging networks become better I'm confident ANY 50+ kw charge speed electric car with 200+ range would be great for a road trip - but 100+ kw would seal the deal. Teslas might be the only guys this is comfortable in now and that could change with all the new Teslas being sold. And this was only on the I5 through CA/OR/WA and the coast from northern OR to Bay Area. I haven't tried anywhere else yet.

Here's an example of a "bad" charger - no shade, hot area. Not a lot in this town anyway (Laytonville) but it's welcome to have so many unused 150 Kw stalls! There's a Chinese restaurant in walking distances. We didn't charge long here (the car next to us has a roof rack and custom wrap):




At Grant's Pass, somewhat busier but not full charger, in an OK area:



Also spotted some fast DC chargers here.

Really nice charger near Eureka, OR. Lots of shade, plenty of stalls, and a social vibe. Good pub down the street, and check out this guy towing a camp trailer in his Model 3!



He said it's around 1750 lbs. He said it cuts his range in HALF at the moment, so he probably goes a bit slower! And the thing is not currently aerodynamic. He said he's working on it.


Views from Oregon - really nice pace and roads for this car.


Portland:


Charge Summary for Return Trip Washington to California:
Left my mom's house (where we charged on 110) with 80-something percent. Charged in Centralia while eating second breakfast and Coffee. Moved car at 95%.

Charged in Vancouver again for 20 minutes or so. Took the Gorge/Columbia for a couple hours to see waterfalls and hike a bit. Arrived at our airBnb in Portland with about 50% I think.

Plugged in a few days later at a destination charger while eating breakfast and regained some range.

Other than that, drove around Portland but also used a lot of light rail, walking and bicycles.

Checked out the other side of Portland and supercharged to 90%.

A couple days later, drove to the coast. Charged in Seaside while checking out outlet stores. GF bought shoes. Both had coffee. Unplugged at 95%. Drove to our secret beachside destination and spent 4 days with family. I drove some grocery errands and demoed the car for all my family, all of whom had never been in an EV!

Left with 60% or so. Charged in Lincoln City (OK outlet store/mall thing) to 90%. Made it to our destination with 50% or so.

Had lunch with friends in Newport and used dog mode for 1 hours (also parked in the shade). During lunch I checked the temp inside the car every 5 minutes and it never went over 72. Still a little scary but we were right down the road.

The next day arrived to the charge area at 40% (Crescent City) but there was the 4th of July Parade and we could not reach the chargers. I might've asked if we could drive around the plyons but I risked it on the long drive to Eureka. We did stop at a hotel destination charger for about 20m til they kicked us out. I offered to pay but they weren't having it.

After that not much else to say. There were SC every 60 miles or so from that point so we stopped for coffee and lunch, one more walk and we were home about the time we normally are on this trip. Arrived home with 100 miles to empty. Plugged in and it's ready to go again!

Random takeaways

The touch screen stuff works nice when you have a passenger as they can adjust stuff that normally you couldn't while driving without removing your hands from the wheel) such as the vent angles in front of you or driving settings like chill mode or fog light switch. When you need to press something yourself, it still seems easier thanks to all the auto stuff.

The ability to change driver profile by clicking my name/her name on the screen was a nice bonus. Every time we switched there was no fuss about changing seat settings or mirrors. I know many cars do this - but it works so well in the T and it even changes your cruise control follow distance, your drive settings such as sport/chill steering and throttle modes.

The phone key entry thing is great too. No need to say "honey did you lock the car?" or "can I get your keys to get something out of the car real quick?".. both of our phones unlock the car when you grab the handle without opening the app and both lock the car as you walk away. And you can check the lock status at any time on your phone.

Many cars at superchargers were from out of state. Some from Canada, Arizona, Montana. Plenty from CA all over PNW. Many people on vacations especially in Model X and with a family.

Dog mode is a very nice feature! Traveling through CA we'd often park where it's 90 degrees. I'd find shade if possible, put up the shades, and crank the A/C. The dog was always sleeping when we came back and the temp was around 70 inside the car. A couple times we did this while not plugged in and it would use about 2% of charge over an hour.

I've never seen our dog so relaxed on a road trip. His beard blows in the A/C wind.



Also Auto pilot is great on a road trip. The time melts away and we'd run stints of 100-200 miles and neither one of us felt exhausted when we'd stop. Auto steering worked for hours in central Oregon and on straight highways it's a no brainer. I used it on the coast for hours as well. I admit I did look away and enjoy the scenery a bit more, especially on long straights where I could just look ahead to make sure AP wasn't doing anything dangerous (and it almost never did). Very impressive. It also worked very well at night on divided highways without traffic, and auto high-beams are great on the coast. And it's the best in traffic so all city driving was minimal stress. The nav is very good, too.
 
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if there are plenty of charger spots, why not just leave your car there?
doesn't the car automatically stop charging when full?
 

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Yes, and we did leave it there most of the times for lunch or breakfast. But if it's only going to be 20-minutes, what could you do in that time? Usually we'd stop to charge, walk dog, go to the bathroom, buy an ice tea or something, then it was time to start driving again.

Edit - oh ... did you mean why was I forced to move the car? Well technically I wasn't but just out of courtesy and habit, on busier chargers I did move it. We could've left it there to 100% but it's a lot slower by 90% and not necessarily good for the battery, so we just moved it out of habit by 95% every time regardless. And you can change the maximum charge stop point on your phone or in the car. Usually we put it to 100 just to avoid idle fees.
 

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Be careful on curves with stopped traffic!

 

Kaido

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if there are plenty of charger spots, why not just leave your car there?
doesn't the car automatically stop charging when full?

Yes, but you might get charged idle fees:

https://www.tesla.com/support/supercharger-idle-fee
A customer would never leave a car parked by the pump at a gas station and the same thinking applies with Superchargers.

The Tesla app allows owners to remotely monitor their vehicle, alerting them when their charge is nearly complete and again once fully charged. For every additional minute a car remains connected to the Supercharger, it will incur an idle fee. If the car is moved within 5 minutes, the fee is waived. Idle fees apply when a Supercharger station is at least 50% full, and double when the station is 100% full. To be clear, this is purely about increasing customer happiness and we hope to never make any money from it.

Idle fees apply to any car occupying a Supercharger if the station is at least 50% full and the charge session is complete. Idle fee rates double when the station is 100% occupied.

So 50 cents per minute if the station is at least 50% full, or a dollar per minute if all of the stalls are being used.

This is both good & bad. It's bad because it gets annoying...I went on a road-trip with my buddy in his 3 & we stopped to eat at restaurant by a Supercharger, and he had to run a quarter mile back to move his car in the middle of the meal. So that was annoying. But, common courtesy also applies, and people don't always practice that on purpose or because they forget (ex. if they're in a restaurant!), so this is a good way to get people moving & keep the stations available, which is important because it gets really annoying when you really need to charge up at a Supercharger & have to wait your turn. I was stuck at a Panera Bread for awhile once when one of my buddies first got an EV (non-Tesla) & we couldn't make it home on the remaining charge, so we stopped into the restaurant to charge, but there were no reminders, so the owner happily ate & chilled out for over an hour before coming out to unplug & leave, haha.
 

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I'm pretty excited for the model Y. I had a thread on here a while ago asking for SUV recommendations but I think I'm going to hold out as long as possible and see if I could swing one.

I read there is something called the "Tesla Network" or similar that is up and coming where you (in the future) can basically use your Tesla as an automatic Uber, sending it out to pick people up while you're not using the car.

Since I'm the type to keep cars for a while and I trust that Teslas should be pretty reliable long term and be able to put on many hundred thousand miles, I see this almost as an investment if the whole self driving thing sorts itself out. I'm sure insurance premiums would be through the roof but theoretically once enough cars are self driving, accident risk should be very low and mostly relegated to city traffic situations where people (pedestrians) are involved.
 

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Having experienced Jag's tech issues and having been to 3 different dealerships because of terrible customer service, I would never consider the I-Pace. They have troubles fixing stuff in their regular vehicles, I have 100% confidence they would give excruciatingly terrible service on something they sell 10 of a year.

Also, in regards to the Y. Their advertisements are claiming optional 3 rows and 7 seats for adults along with 66cuft of space with the seats folded down. I'm calling BS on that 3rd row for anything but very small children and I have a hard time believing that vehicle has nearly 70cuft of space with folded down seats.
 
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Having experienced Jag's tech issues and having been to 3 different dealerships because of terrible customer service, I would never consider the I-Pace. They have troubles fixing stuff in their regular vehicles, I have 100% confidence they would give excruciatingly terrible service on something they sell 10 of a year.

Also, in regards to the Y. Their advertisements are claiming optional 3 rows and 7 seats for adults along with 66cuft of space with the seats folded down. I'm calling BS on that 3rd row for anything but very small children and I have a hard time believing that vehicle has nearly 70cuft of space with folded down seats.

Yeah, but that's like a lot of 7-seat SUV's which are really 5-seaters...many of those vehicles only have kid-sized back seats. The Model X has fairly small back seats as well, so I'd imagine the Y's will be totally unusable by adults. Same deal in my Mustang...it's a 4-seater, sure, technically, but kids can barely fit in them without moving the front seats pretty far forward, haha.
 

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I think what pulled my eyes to the comment was the up to 7 adults claim. Then I'm staring at this picture trying to figure out how 2 adults are going to fit in the back of this thing. I believe most 7 passenger suv just say 7 passenger seating.
 
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Having experienced Jag's tech issues and having been to 3 different dealerships because of terrible customer service, I would never consider the I-Pace. They have troubles fixing stuff in their regular vehicles, I have 100% confidence they would give excruciatingly terrible service on something they sell 10 of a year.

Also, in regards to the Y. Their advertisements are claiming optional 3 rows and 7 seats for adults along with 66cuft of space with the seats folded down. I'm calling BS on that 3rd row for anything but very small children and I have a hard time believing that vehicle has nearly 70cuft of space with folded down seats.
I don't mind if only kids can fit in the 3rd row. By the time all my future chilluns are "adult size" I'd probably be upgrading to the X or whatever even larger SUV they might come out with or maybe switch to something like the Suburban/Expedition type of car, although 15 years from now I'd hope EB is pretty mainstream.
 

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I don't think Tesla started this trend. Other manufacturers did.

There are plenty of 3 row SUVs available where only a few of those have usable 3rd row sitting. Many reviews mention that it is either usable for kids only or not usable at all.
 

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Just got back from a 2000 mile trip in the model 3 (long range dual motor). IT WAS AWESOME. Five years ago I wouldn't have believed this was possible. Here's a super long post about it....

Hm, I still wish I had dual-motor. I remember going back and forth over getting it or not, and all the "even RWDs do fine in the snow!" posts weren't helping. The one time I was going to change back to AWD and remove FSD was when I saw that the car was locked in. The desire for dual-motor came in a bit today when it was raining and I could feel the front not moving properly with the direction that I was steering. The thing is... I wasn't going that fast.

We also chewed through the battery a lot faster in California because it was up to 95 degrees in parts (running AC) and we were driving about 80 MPH. And when you are charging, it's really a nice place to sit,crank the AC, listen to music, charge your phone and have some break.

Don't forget to play the new Beach Buggy Racing! It's a two-player, Mario Kart-style racing game and it supports controllers!

The only things I'd wished for were more superchargers and a DC fast charger adapter so I could top off whenever I found one near where we'd be parking anyway such as rest stops and town centers.

Apparently, CHAdeMO support is being added in an upcoming firmware, but the adapter to use with a Tesla is not cheap ($400). To note, it isn't a simple little adapter like what you use for a J1772... it's a big, ol' thing that apparently even has its own firmware!

The ability to change driver profile by clicking my name/her name on the screen was a nice bonus. Every time we switched there was no fuss about changing seat settings or mirrors. I know many cars do this - but it works so well in the T and it even changes your cruise control follow distance, your drive settings such as sport/chill steering and throttle modes.

The one complaint that I hear about it is that Easy Access is only a single mode that is applied to all drivers. However, since women are typically a bit smaller than men, they may prefer not having Easy Access push the seat back so far.

The phone key entry thing is great too. No need to say "honey did you lock the car?" or "can I get your keys to get something out of the car real quick?".. both of our phones unlock the car when you grab the handle without opening the app and both lock the car as you walk away. And you can check the lock status at any time on your phone.

I do wish they'd change the way the app displays the locked status. In my opinion, a button should always represent the action that will occur when pressed. However, the Tesla lock/unlock button displays the current state of the car. Also, you do have to be wary of one thing... you cannot leave your phone in the car to charge it if it is registered as a phone key.

Also, they really need to add proximity support for the key fobs with whatever upcoming refresh they do or the Model Y. The key fob is nice for one reason... you don't need to go into the app to open the frunk, but it feels a bit lame paying $150 for what's really more of a remote. (I had a $200 credit with Tesla that I used to buy it.)

I've never seen our dog so relaxed on a road trip. His beard blows in the A/C wind.

One thing for people to keep in mind is that Tesla cars will shut off the rear AC if they don't detect any rear passengers. However, you can turn it back on manually in the HVAC settings. It's a round button on the bottom right, and enabling it will not affect AUTO mode.

I didn't realize that until I was attempting to fix the seatbelt trim piece on the driver's side. I tried to get in one time with an umbrella, but I was in this weird form because I didn't want the umbrella to drip everywhere. I ended up brushing up against the trim too hard and it pulled out. I didn't realize that the trim also pulled out on the back until last week, so I ended up having to remove it and properly push it back on. Unfortunately, this spring for the seatbelt adjuster fell off, and there seemed to be no apparent mounting point for it. It still functions just fine... the button just isn't as springy.

Anyway... moral of the story? When trying to get in the car with an umbrella, just grab it by the wet umbrella portion and not the handle. Also, in regard to umbrellas, Walmart sells small, extending umbrellas that fit nicely in the door's compartment. They're like $15 a pop, are fairly large when extended, and just fit. I placed one in each door just in case! (I'm sure other stores will have ones that fit too, but I haven't tried those.)

if there are plenty of charger spots, why not just leave your car there?
doesn't the car automatically stop charging when full?

Tesla will charge you if you leave your car on a Supercharger when it's done charging. I think you get a few minutes grace period after it hits the limit prior to being charged.

Be careful on curves with stopped traffic!

It's worth noting that radar-based automated driving systems do not work on stopped objects when traveling over... I think it's 55 MPH? The issue is that they end up with far too many false positives due to things like road signs. This is not just a Tesla problem.

I'm pretty excited for the model Y. I had a thread on here a while ago asking for SUV recommendations but I think I'm going to hold out as long as possible and see if I could swing one.

I'm tempted to swap from a Model 3 to a Model Y. Part of me just wants a little more storage space in the car, and in that regard, it's worth noting that the Model 3 is the only Tesla that isn't a hatchback. Although, I do want to see if Tesla smooths over a few oddities with the Model 3. For example, I like that the Model Y has black trim by default, but I'd like to see things like improved auto-wipers (they're pretty bad) and adding bonuses like a heated steering wheel and more room for the driver. (I do think the Y will have the latter due to its larger size.)
 
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New pricing on the fully-loaded models:

3 = $63,990
S = $112,990
X = $124,990

Those are some pretty huge price drops...the 3 was around $70k fully-loaded before, and iirc the S & X nearly hit $170k at one point with the Ludicrous & FSD add-ons.
 
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