3500+ & 6800gt. 40-60 fps?!? this cant be right can it?

[Kiad]

ok so i tried some of the stuff in bios. i turned t1 on but i'm not sure if 8x agp is enabled. there is a tab in my bios that reads exactly...

agp aperture size [128]
agp 3.0 speed [auto]
x agp 2.0 speed [auto]
agp fast write [auto]
system bios cacheable [disabled]


i changed aperture size to 256. mighta been a bad move because my fps actually dropped a bit. anyone know what these settings mean? the x means the agp 2.0 speed is selected i'm guessing. going to restart now and see if chating aperture size back to 128 helps

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Leave the aperture at 128.

There are several an articles on it.

The site also has some other info you may find interesting.

Everything else there looks fine.

 

[Kiad]

heres some more info. changed the apeture back to 128. still doesnt help. turning the memory timing to 1T acutally dropped my FPS by 10 on avg or more. this is what the bios reads in the "cell" tab:

Cell Menu

current cpu clock 2211 mhz
current ddr clock 100mhz

dram config [press enter]
high performance mode [manual]
aggresive timing [disable]
dynamic overclocking [disable]
spread specturm [enable]
HT frequency [5x]
cool n quiet [disable]
adjust cpu ratio [start up]
adjust AGP frequency [66]
adjust cpu vid [start up]
cpu voltage [by cpu vid]
memory voltage [auto]
agp voltage [1.50 v]


current ddr clock 100mhz right?!

 

[Kiad]

ttt.

sorry, i never did ttt before but i'm acutally actively trying to fix this thing at this moment.

 

[JBDan]

Download cpuID and check what your mem speed is at. http://www.cpuid.com/ version 1.26

 

[Regs]

Wow, your DDR clock is 1/2 of what it should be. It should be at least 200 MHz. Check your BIOS and make sure you are running a 1:1 divider.

 

[Kiad]

so here is what seems to be happening...

at first i was on default settings in bios. T2 mem speed

i changed the setting to T1 and realized my ddr was clockin 100mhz.

i tried setting max speed to 200 and the comp failed too boot. i then reset the cmos manually

then i noticed that the clock speed was 166 as default.

i set the memory to T1 to test. test confirms that when u set to T1 the clock speed dives to 100.

i reset to T2 and the DDR clock speed goes back to 166.

this still doesnt solve the problem since the clock speed should be 200.



suggestions? i dont usually toy with the bios so much so i would appreciate any step by step help u experienced OCers and bios champs can give.

 

[JBDan]

I don't have this board, but if I were you I would set all BIOS settings to default the way you 1st got the pc. Hopefully someone with your board will read this post and help ya out. g-luck and bump it every now and then. You could PM Mrvile he has this mobo.

 

[Kiad]

Here are stats from CPU-Z

CPU
Core speed: 2210.8
Multiplier: 11.0
HTT: 201.1


MEMORY
type: ddr-sdram
size: 1024 MBytes
channels #: single (i'm pretty sure this should be dual as i set it up...)
frequency: 157.9 MHz
FSBRAM: CPU/14.0
CAS# Latency: 2.5 clocks
RAS$ to CAS$ Delay: 3 clocks
RAS$precharge: 3 clocks
Cycle time: 7 Clocks
Bank Cycle Time: 10 clocks
DRAM idle timer: 16 clocks


SPD (Slot 1):
Module Size: 512 Mbytes
Max Bandiwth: PC3200(200MHZ)
Manufacturer: Samsung (weird...i bought all kingston)
Part Number: etc
serial number: etc
Manufacturing date: week 81, year 04

Frequency: 166Mhz 200mhz
CAS# Latency: 2.5 3.0
RAS#: 3 3
RAS# Precharge: 3 3
TRas# 7 8

SPD (Slot 3):
Module Size: 512 Mbytes
Max Bandiwth: PC3200(200MHZ)
Manufacturer: Kingston
Part Number: etc
serial number: etc
Manufacturing date: week 81, year 04

Frequency: 133 MHz 166Mhz 200mhz
CAS# Latency: 2.0 2.5 3.0
RAS#: 2 3 3
RAS# Precharge: 2 3 3
TRas# 6 7 8


One definite oddity so far is that both RAM sticks were supposed to be Kingston. i have no clue how one is samsung...

 

[JBDan]

Samsung makes the RAM chips. Yea you need a 1:1 divider and enable dual channel on that RAM. Wish I had your mobo to help. Look around at sigs and PM someone with your mobo. I'm sure they would be happy to help ya.

 

[Viper96720]

Sounds like you got one of those boards that defaults to 166Mhz when 2 sticks of ram are used. Some of them you can manually set the clock to 200mhz others your outta luck.

 

[Kiad]

Aquamark3 scores. does this tell me anything besides that i'm probably not running as fast as i should be?



Name: Benchmark 2003-01-01 01-50-24

Processor:
Vendor: AuthenticAMD
Name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
SpeedMHz: 2210
Type: 0
Family: 15
Model: 15
Stepping: 0
Flags: 0xE1D3FBFF
Number: 1
HyperThreading: n/a
MemoryOS: 1073201152

Graphics:
Description: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
Vendor: 4318
Device: 69
SubSys: 33820894
Revision: 161
CoreClock: 6
MemoryClock: 5
Driver: nv4_disp.dll
DriverVersion: 6.14.10.6693
VideoMemory: 256901120
TextureMemory: 377487360

OperatingSystem:
Version: Microsoft Windows XP
Type:
Build: 2600

Run0:
DisplayWidth: 1024
DisplayHeight: 768
DisplayDepth: 32
AntialiasingMode: 0
AntialiasingQuality: 0
AnisotropicFiltering: 4
DetailLevel: 4
AvgFPS: 55.476242
MinFPS: 24.606327
MaxFPS: 120.000000
AvgFPSRender: 85.435188
AvgFPSSimulation: 158.211487
AvgTrianglesPerSecond: 16700132
MinTrianglesPerSecond: 2492766
MaxTrianglesPerSecond: 38178126
AquamarkScoreRender: 8544
AquamarkScoreSimulation: 7911
AquamarkScore: 55476

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

For comparison

AXP 2500+ @ 200x10
Radeon 9800 Pro
1GB RAM

5878/7166

Score = 41786

 

[gamerj]

As for the aquamark score...both the cpu score (simulation)and the gpu score (render) are too low..but we already knew that...The two do affect eachoter though...
I posted a thread concerning your score..hopefully some decent answers come from that..

Fastwrite > Its a little faster when turned on..(turning it off is mostly done to increase stabilitly)

Aperture size > 128 mb is fine...Suppose your card has 256 mb of memory, but the map it needs to load is 350 mb, the extra mb's needed will come from your 1 gb memory, but at the most 128 mb..as you set it..I think only in doom3 when settings on ultra, 500mb is ever needed...so again 128 should be fine...you could even try 64....sometimes u get a few frames by toying with the agp aperture settings..

Your mem should run at ddr200 in bios...Have u tried setting the divider to 1 : 1 ? cause it should be

You must check your agp speed, in my bios its under AGP MODE...it should be at 8x (as a default) but since your card score is pretty low...there might be something wrong with that..just enter anything that says AGP something...and see if u can choose between 2x, 4x, 8x > u see something like that choose 8x

In windows > in configuration, > system > hardware (management?) > ide-ata/atapi controller > right click > properties > advanced ........MDA (when available) , same goes for SEC IDE...PIO is very slow..
It should be set on MDA by default, but installation of windows gets screwed up every now and then


Install NEWEST video card driver > it should be on http://www.nvidia.com ....download it and install it..(best way is to uninstall old driver first, but chances are you will get no problems replacing the driver)

Maybe you already sorted the problem, but if u didnt KEEP THE HOPE ALIVE LOL,... many people know how frustrating things like these are, and im sure it will get solved at some point...


p.s: installing new drivers in solves the problem in many many cases...
That goes for your vid.card drivers as well as your chipset drivers of your mobo...Dumb question probably, but u did install the drivers that were on your motherboard cd right?
And updating those can solve the problem as well...> go to your manufacturer's website (of your motherboard), and download the latest chipset drivers and install them...(maybe u have a motherboard update program or something?) mine is called ASUS UPDATE, forgot your board manufacturer..

good luck

 

[Kiad]

I think i fixed the problem somewhat. Turns out you cant install memory into dims 1 and 3 if there are 4 dimms on the mobo for these new computers. MSI has terrible diagrams in the manual to boot. in any case, i switched the ram to dimms 1 and 2 and the clock rate jumped to 200. i changed the memory timing to T1 and it stayed at 200. I turned the image setting for the card from 'quality' to 'high performance' in control panel. I also overclocked the CPU about 3% just for kicks. this was the new aquamark scores i got for all my changes. i think its still a tad low and the GFX side, but at least the CPU side seems ok now. i wasnt expecting earth shattering scores anyways with eVGA anyways.

AquaMark Score: 65049 (CPU: 10443, GFX: 9450) FPS: 65.05 TPS: 19581 K
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ CR: 2265 MHz SRAM: 1024 MB OS: Microsoft Windows XP
GFX: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT CM: 9 / 5 MHz VRAM: 245 MB DRIVER: 6.14.10.6693
RES: 1024x768 x 32bit AA: Off AF: 4x DETAILS: Very High
INFO: Kiad, 2005-01-21, "Benchmark 2005-01-21 02-17-07 - 1T"



AquaMark Score: 65049
AquaMark CPU Score: 10443
AquaMark GFX Score: 9450
Average FramesPS: 65.049
Average TrianglesPS: 19581 K
Average PixelPS: n/a



Measurement Detail Information:
Username: Kiad
Submit Time: 2005-01-21 08:18:57
General Name: Benchmark 2005-01-21 02-17-07 - 1T

System Detail Information:
System Memory reported by OS: 1073201152 Byte ( ~1024 MegaByte)
Operating System Version: Microsoft Windows XP
Operating System Type:
Operating System Build: 2600

Processor Detail Information:
Processor Name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
Processor Speed: 2265 MHz (MegaHertz)
Type.Family.Model.Stepping: 0.15.15.0
Processor Flags: 0xE1D3FBFF

Graphics Detail Information:
Graphics Card Name: NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
Graphics Card Vendor ID: 4318
Graphics Card Device ID: 69
Graphics Card SubSys ID: 33820894
Graphics Card Revision: 161
Graphics Card Core Clockrate: 9 MHz (MegaHertz)
Graphics Card Memory Clockrate: 5 MHz (MegaHertz)
Graphics Card Driver: nv4_disp.dll
Graphics Card Driver Version: 6.14.10.6693
Graphics Card Video Memory: 256901120 Byte ( ~245 MegaByte)
Graphics Texture Memory: 377487360 Byte ( ~360 MegaByte)

Settings Detail Information:
Display Resolution: 1024 * 768 pixels
Display Bitdepth: 32 Bit
Antialiasing Mode: Antialiasing Disabled
Antialiasing Quality: Antialiasing Disabled
Anisotropic Filtering: 4x
Detail Settings: Very High

Detailed Score Information:
Minimal Frames per Second: 26.000
Average Frames per Second: 65.049
Maximal Frames per Second: 148.000
Render Time-Share of Frames: 68.8 %
Minimal Triangles per Second: 3106408
Average Triangles per Second: 19581926
Maximal Triangles per Second: 41904274
Average Pixel per Second: n/a
CPU Score: 10443
GFX Score: 9450
AquaMark Score: 65049

 

[gamerj]

thats actually not a too bad score! congrats

Now if u only posted this before i posted my huge post lol...dont matter, im on amfetamines anyway..kidding off course! haha

seriously...switching slots lol...that was easy enough ...have fun gaming!

 

[Kiad]

haha no acutally your post is still helping. a lot of random mobo info i didnt know. i'm in th eoffice again but when i get home i'll be sure to start testing some of the other settings. i may want to fix the agp apetrue for world of warcraft because the maps in that game are HUGE. thanks all for the help!