350Z vs STi

[SilentZero]

STi without question! The 350z is such a waste.

 

[Malfeas]

Either a plain WRX or LegacyGT.

I own a 2005 LegacyGT, just go to a dealership and drive one. Oh, and I've posted this before, don't pay more than dealer invoice. Check out legacygt.com forums and ask questions. You can see what everyone else is paying and how to negotiate.
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[clickynext]

Go with the STi. Infinitely more practicality, not lacking at all in performance, and you can drive it in snow if you ever need to.

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: DaWhim
WHERE IS THE POLL?

STi all the way

D'oh! Thanks...poll has been added!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Horrible financial move (Woohoo, new job so I'll buy a new car!) but I'd take the STi any day.

How about you save $10+ grand and buy a WRX TR?

Viper GTS

If you're going to come in and not be helpful, at least explain why it would be a horrible financial move. My current car is paid off, but not very practical at all, and I would have bought a new car in the next few months whether I got this job or not. What would you suggest I do instead?

all new cars are heavily depreciating assets, even i know this and i know nothing about finances

I'm not going to buy a brand new car. I plan to buy a used 04-05 model with 3-10k miles that's been well taken care of. For the record, I think buying a brand new car is extremely stupid. I'll let the first owner take that hit, thankya very much.

When buying a performance car buying used is frequently extremely stupid. Who gives a fvck how much it depreciates? Are you spending all your waking hours worrying about how much you owe on your car vs how much it's worth? Buy something you like and keep it until it is paid off or until you owe less on it than it's worth.

Here are some tips for new car buyers:

Don't buy American or Korean cars and you won't have to worry as much about depreciation.

Don't be a sucker and fall for all the well known scams dealers try to pull. Do your homework and be prepared to walk away if things aren't going well.

Don't pay msrp and NEVER do something as stupid as pay a dealer markup unless you are buying a Ford GT or a Ferrari Enzo.

Cars are not investments and they never were...they are consumables. You buy it. You drive it. You throw it away (or sell it/trade it for a new/newer one that isn't as worn out). The only cars that qualify as investments are collectible cars.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Horrible financial move (Woohoo, new job so I'll buy a new car!) but I'd take the STi any day.

How about you save $10+ grand and buy a WRX TR?

Viper GTS

If you're going to come in and not be helpful, at least explain why it would be a horrible financial move. My current car is paid off, but not very practical at all, and I would have bought a new car in the next few months whether I got this job or not. What would you suggest I do instead?

all new cars are heavily depreciating assets, even i know this and i know nothing about finances

Duh. It's short term relatively low interest debt though. It's not like credit card debt. Hell, I bought a new car a couple years ago and because of the low interest rate (1.9%) it made absolutely no sense to put any money down on it and buying a used version of the same car would have been stupid as hell.

People do make stupid mistakes when it comes to buying cars. Buying a new car isn't necessarily one of them.

Funny you mention that, car loan is 2.9%, could pay it off right now and not even cut half my savings, but the interest is so low it'd be stupid to do so.

aren't car loans compounded daily and not monthly? so 2.9% daily is much worse than 2.9%monthly

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Cars are not investments and they never were...they are consumables. You buy it. You drive it. You throw it away (or sell it/trade it for a new/newer one that isn't as worn out). The only cars that qualify as investments are collectible cars.

Ever see what some of those old cars go for on barret jackson auctions?

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
The STi will spank the Z in every category stock vs stock. The Z is definitely sexy and the interior is probably slightly nicer but if you want the better performer get the STi. It's reliable as hell and hands down the faster car. Having 4 doors and a trunk is just icing on the cake.

What exactly makes the STi faster? I know it is, but I'm interested in knowing why. I mean the two cars are within 15hp of each other and I would think that the increased drivetrain loss of the STi due to the AWD would make it the slower car. Is the STi underrated, or does the fact that it can launch like a bat out of hell enable it to pull faster 1/4 mile times?

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
I had the chance to drive an '05 350Z for about a week. I could not imagine owning it as a daily driver. It just compromises far too many things.

- The visibility is horrible, good luck backing it into a tight spot.

- I'm 6' and weight 170 pounds. The bottom bolstering on the seats was oppressively snug. Any trip longer than 15 minutes and the thighs started to go numb.

- Lack of any and all cargo and storage is a major negative.

- No back seat really limits functionality.

- Shifter/clutch is really sloppy. I never missed a gear in my Mazda3, but found myself constantly hunting for gears with the Z. Clutch is also very heavy and hard to engage smoothly.

- Combination of incredibly low seating position and big heavy doors makes it very difficult to get out of in tight spaces.

- It would be absolutely useless in any amount of poor weather(rain or snow)

- It beats the ever living crap out of you on the highway. The road noise is horrible and the suspension is strung so tight you just get abused going over even the slightest imperfections in the road.

The only real things going for it are that it looks really nice, and it flat out pulls hard from any gear at any RPM. Very grunty motor and you won't find yourself with your pants down trying to pass on the highway in 6th gear. Now downshift necessary.

The STi while an econobox at heart, still goes like stink on sh!t, has seating for 4, an actual trunk, and is much more forgiving on the highway.

That'd be my choice between the two.

Wow, thanks. I haven't gotten a chance to drive either car yet and honestly didn't know that the Z had so many glaring faults. Sounds like the two things it's got going for it are style and decent power. I'm not sure all those annoyances are worth the sleek body lines, though. :Q

 

[Malfeas]

The 350z will have the better 1/4mile due to the reasons you already stated. But are you drag racing to work? I'm guessing that your average speed will be less than 60MPH, in which case either the GT or STI will have better response. But really, the performance of these cars is not too dissimilar, and you should look at other factors for determining which vehicle to buy. For me it was the added safety of AWD, cheaper repair costs, lower percentage of failed parts/rugged mechanical design, and cheaper to buy.

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: Malfeas
The 350z will have the better 1/4mile due to the reasons you already stated.

Are you sure about that? From what I've read and my own experience at the track, a stock STi w/a good driver will run low-mid 13's while the Zs usually run high 13's/low 14s...maybe mid 13s with a few mods. Is that not typical?

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Malfeas
The 350z will have the better 1/4mile due to the reasons you already stated.

Are you sure about that? From what I've read and my own experience at the track, a stock STi w/a good driver will run low-mid 13's while the Zs usually run high 13's/low 14s...maybe mid 13s with a few mods. Is that not typical?

STi will spank the Z from a standstill.
Z will beat out the STi from a roll, by a small margin.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Horrible financial move (Woohoo, new job so I'll buy a new car!) but I'd take the STi any day.

How about you save $10+ grand and buy a WRX TR?

Viper GTS

If you're going to come in and not be helpful, at least explain why it would be a horrible financial move. My current car is paid off, but not very practical at all, and I would have bought a new car in the next few months whether I got this job or not. What would you suggest I do instead?

all new cars are heavily depreciating assets, even i know this and i know nothing about finances

Duh. It's short term relatively low interest debt though. It's not like credit card debt. Hell, I bought a new car a couple years ago and because of the low interest rate (1.9%) it made absolutely no sense to put any money down on it and buying a used version of the same car would have been stupid as hell.

People do make stupid mistakes when it comes to buying cars. Buying a new car isn't necessarily one of them.

Funny you mention that, car loan is 2.9%, could pay it off right now and not even cut half my savings, but the interest is so low it'd be stupid to do so.

aren't car loans compounded daily and not monthly? so 2.9% daily is much worse than 2.9%monthly

lol, 2.9% daily or monthly. If that were the case, I am definitely in the wrong business.

 

[boyRacer]

STi

 

[BMdoobieW]

04-05 STi

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: bob4432
aren't car loans compounded daily and not monthly? so 2.9% daily is much worse than 2.9%monthly

Loans are always simple interest, not compound. Interest accrues (not compounds) per diem. That means daily.
By law, the rate of interest is always disclosed as per annum, meaning annually. Hence the APR or "annual percentage rate." Jesus, 2.9% daily would be a 1058.5% annual rate!! :Q
A 2.9% APR loan would be accrue per diem (daily) at a rate of 0.0079%.


edit: I recommend that the OP buy an 06 STi new.

 

[Imyourzero]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
When buying a performance car buying used is frequently extremely stupid. Who gives a fvck how much it depreciates? Are you spending all your waking hours worrying about how much you owe on your car vs how much it's worth? Buy something you like and keep it until it is paid off or until you owe less on it than it's worth.

The only reason I'm somewhat concerned about depreciation is because when the car is paid off or when I'm ready to trade (whichever comes first), I want the thing to have a decent resale value. As was mentioned though, I think as long as you stay away from domestics and Korean vehicles this won't be much of a factor. Domestic vehicles lose value faster than a top of the line CPU (well maybe not, but it's close ).

No, I won't spend all my waking hours worrying about how much I owe vs how much it's worth. But I'll definitely sleep easier at night if I know that, as I'm sending those payments in each month, the car will still be worth something when I'm ready to get rid of it. Who, except the rich & stupid, wants to buy a car that's worth nothing after it's paid off?

 

[LtPage1]

test drives- go with your gut.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
The STi will spank the Z in every category stock vs stock. The Z is definitely sexy and the interior is probably slightly nicer but if you want the better performer get the STi. It's reliable as hell and hands down the faster car. Having 4 doors and a trunk is just icing on the cake.

What exactly makes the STi faster? I know it is, but I'm interested in knowing why. I mean the two cars are within 15hp of each other and I would think that the increased drivetrain loss of the STi due to the AWD would make it the slower car. Is the STi underrated, or does the fact that it can launch like a bat out of hell enable it to pull faster 1/4 mile times?

There's this thing called gears.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Imyourzero

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Horrible financial move (Woohoo, new job so I'll buy a new car!) but I'd take the STi any day.

How about you save $10+ grand and buy a WRX TR?

Viper GTS

If you're going to come in and not be helpful, at least explain why it would be a horrible financial move. My current car is paid off, but not very practical at all, and I would have bought a new car in the next few months whether I got this job or not. What would you suggest I do instead?

all new cars are heavily depreciating assets, even i know this and i know nothing about finances

Duh. It's short term relatively low interest debt though. It's not like credit card debt. Hell, I bought a new car a couple years ago and because of the low interest rate (1.9%) it made absolutely no sense to put any money down on it and buying a used version of the same car would have been stupid as hell.

People do make stupid mistakes when it comes to buying cars. Buying a new car isn't necessarily one of them.

Funny you mention that, car loan is 2.9%, could pay it off right now and not even cut half my savings, but the interest is so low it'd be stupid to do so.

aren't car loans compounded daily and not monthly? so 2.9% daily is much worse than 2.9%monthly

lol, 2.9% daily or monthly. If that were the case, I am definitely in the wrong business.

ok, my math is definately wrong, but a friend has a loan for ~$4200 @ 5% and pays like ~$30/mo in interest, how is that ( i didn't believe her but she showed me the paperwork)? shouldn't it be like $17.50/mo for interest?

 

[spidey07]

You're friend got screwed.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're friend got screwed.

she has this loan throught a credit union, so am i correct in my thinking that she should be paying ~$17.50/mo in interest?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're friend got screwed.

she has this loan throught a credit union, so am i correct in my thinking that she should be paying ~$17.50/mo in interest?

Start a new thread. The math just seems way wrong. Its not uncommon for young women to be totally raped at the auto dealership unfortunately.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: bob4432

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're friend got screwed.

she has this loan throught a credit union, so am i correct in my thinking that she should be paying ~$17.50/mo in interest?

Start a new thread. The math just seems way wrong. Its not uncommon for young women to be totally raped at the auto dealership unfortunately.

i will start a new thread, thanks

 

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