360 RRoD Rate

[RESmonkey]

24 hits for more than once? omg wow...

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Well I think the fact that people still buy the "piece of shit" knowing full well about the RRoD and other problems says a lot about the product. They must be doing *something* right if people are dealing with their 360s instead of getting the uber elite PS3 of elite uber-ness.

I'm not trying to sound like a fan boy, but people on their high horses for any console (or PC) piss me off. People will buy what makes them happy. It's not a crime.

Well, you get what you pay for. There's no doubt in my mind that Microsoft will have no qualms about releasing shitty hardware in the future so long as Live is great. Then again, this country is one of a very few on Earth (the other being China) where price comes before quality.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Got mine in March 2006 and it is running fine.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Well I think the fact that people still buy the "piece of shit" knowing full well about the RRoD and other problems says a lot about the product. They must be doing *something* right if people are dealing with their 360s instead of getting the uber elite PS3 of elite uber-ness.

I'm not trying to sound like a fan boy, but people on their high horses for any console (or PC) piss me off. People will buy what makes them happy. It's not a crime.

Well, you get what you pay for. There's no doubt in my mind that Microsoft will have no qualms about releasing shitty hardware in the future so long as Live is great. Then again, this country is one of a very few on Earth (the other being China) where price comes before quality.

Have you been to the planet Earth? Things must work differently in Sonyland.

Anyway, I, like many 360 owners, would rather have the console for 11 out of 12 months a year than a PS3 for 12 out of 12 months. It's all personal preference, really. But generally, when it comes to video games, software triumphs hardware just about every time.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Well I think the fact that people still buy the "piece of shit" knowing full well about the RRoD and other problems says a lot about the product. They must be doing *something* right if people are dealing with their 360s instead of getting the uber elite PS3 of elite uber-ness.

I'm not trying to sound like a fan boy, but people on their high horses for any console (or PC) piss me off. People will buy what makes them happy. It's not a crime.

Well, you get what you pay for. There's no doubt in my mind that Microsoft will have no qualms about releasing shitty hardware in the future so long as Live is great. Then again, this country is one of a very few on Earth (the other being China) where price comes before quality.

Have you been to the planet Earth? Things must work differently in Sonyland.

Anyway, I, like many 360 owners, would rather have the console for 11 out of 12 months a year than a PS3 for 12 out of 12 months. It's all personal preference, really. But generally, when it comes to video games, software triumphs hardware just about every time.

It sure does. I enjoyed my PS1, PS2, and now my PS3. Needless to say, I didn't have to worry about shitty hardware getting in the way of my fun. But you seem to be fine with MS lowering your standards. I won't.

EDIT: Why don't you try moving to the Arctic. I hear the cooling's great for 360s over there. Live is that good, right?

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Live is definitely a good part of it. But the fact that it has games to play, whether on Live or not, has a huge part of it. Just because you spend more money doesn't mean you are getting a superior product. A fully functioning PS3 wouldn't be any fun for people if it sits there and gets no attention because there are no games they prefer that are exclusive to the PS3. And for those people, the 360 may be the answer.

Don't feel bad that people are enjoying their cheaper console that has a wider range of software. If you are happy with your PS3, why do you concern yourself with other people's choices? I never understood that perspective...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dari
It sure does. I enjoyed my PS1, PS2, and now my PS3. Needless to say, I didn't have to worry about shitty hardware getting in the way of my fun. But you seem to be fine with MS lowering your standards. I won't.

EDIT: Why don't you try moving to the Arctic. I hear the cooling's great for 360s over there. Live is that good, right?

Seriously? Before the Xbox 360 came out, Sony set the standard for shitty console reliability.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Live is definitely a good part of it. But the fact that it has games to play, whether on Live or not, has a huge part of it. Just because you spend more money doesn't mean you are getting a superior product. A fully functioning PS3 wouldn't be any fun for people if it sits there and gets no attention because there are no games they prefer that are exclusive to the PS3. And for those people, the 360 may be the answer.

Don't feel bad that people are enjoying their cheaper console that has a wider range of software. If you are happy with your PS3, why do you concern yourself with other people's choices? I never understood that perspective...

PS3 does have games. I play them occasionally (I'm getting less and less interested in playing long games). But I also watch movies and home videos from my NAS. It's that convenient.

I concern myself because it's a tragic-comic wreck. I also want to make sure corporations learn the right lesson from the XBOX 360, not the wrong ones. The last thing we need is the lowering of standards.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari
It sure does. I enjoyed my PS1, PS2, and now my PS3. Needless to say, I didn't have to worry about shitty hardware getting in the way of my fun. But you seem to be fine with MS lowering your standards. I won't.

EDIT: Why don't you try moving to the Arctic. I hear the cooling's great for 360s over there. Live is that good, right?

Seriously? Before the Xbox 360 came out, Sony set the standard for shitty console reliability.

TBH, I've never ever heard of consoles failing until Microsoft started making them. Not even from Sony. Microsoft is the first. I really want to get a 360 (for exclusive games and because I like electronic toys) but I don't like dealing with shit.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Removing non-owners, the failure rate is currently just over 50% in this poll.

However, the majority of owners here had their first failure with original or Zephyr motherboards not Falcons, so that doesn't tell us anything about what rate a person buying now would expect. That "insider" who alleged a rate of 10% for Falcons is much more plausible.

It does tell you that buying a used 360 is a very bad idea .

I'm still going to wait for Jasper in August-September, but as I've explained before that's only because of my tall stack of unplayed games for my PC, PS2 and PS3. With Mass Effect, Orange Box, Persona 3 FES, Xenosaga 3 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance as just the tip of my unplayed iceberg I can easily keep busy for a couple more months without a 360.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Removing non-owners, the failure rate is currently just over 50% in this poll.

However, the majority of owners here had their first failure with original or Zephyr motherboards not Falcons, so that doesn't tell us anything about what rate a person buying now would expect. That "insider" who alleged a rate of 10% for Falcons is much more plausible.

It does tell you that buying a used 360 is a very bad idea .

10% is still unacceptable and crazy high when it comes to electronics.

 

[Stiganator]

Apparently microsoft doesn't have any Six Sigma Black Belts in manufacturing. I would say 50% defective >>>>>>3 in one million

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Stiganator
Apparently microsoft doesn't have any Six Sigma Black Belts in manufacturing. I would say 50% defective >>>>>>3 in one million

It's not a manufacturing defect, it's a design flaw.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari
It sure does. I enjoyed my PS1, PS2, and now my PS3. Needless to say, I didn't have to worry about shitty hardware getting in the way of my fun. But you seem to be fine with MS lowering your standards. I won't.

EDIT: Why don't you try moving to the Arctic. I hear the cooling's great for 360s over there. Live is that good, right?

Seriously? Before the Xbox 360 came out, Sony set the standard for shitty console reliability.

TBH, I've never ever heard of consoles failing until Microsoft started making them. Not even from Sony. Microsoft is the first. I really want to get a 360 (for exclusive games and because I like electronic toys) but I don't like dealing with shit.

You must not have paid much attention last generation. The disc read errors were pretty ubiquitous. Video game magazines/websites had repair instructions, EB Games even had a broken PS2 trade-in program - I believe it was broken PS2 + $75 gets you a working PS2 (possibly a new PS2, I don't recall exactly).

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari
It sure does. I enjoyed my PS1, PS2, and now my PS3. Needless to say, I didn't have to worry about shitty hardware getting in the way of my fun. But you seem to be fine with MS lowering your standards. I won't.

EDIT: Why don't you try moving to the Arctic. I hear the cooling's great for 360s over there. Live is that good, right?

Seriously? Before the Xbox 360 came out, Sony set the standard for shitty console reliability.

TBH, I've never ever heard of consoles failing until Microsoft started making them. Not even from Sony. Microsoft is the first. I really want to get a 360 (for exclusive games and because I like electronic toys) but I don't like dealing with shit.

You must not have paid much attention last generation. The disc read errors were pretty ubiquitous. Video game magazines/websites had repair instructions, EB Games even had a broken PS2 trade-in program - I believe it was broken PS2 + $75 gets you a working PS2 (possibly a new PS2, I don't recall exactly).

I was and never heard about it. Face it, Microsoft dropped the ball on this 360 and EVERYBODY knows about it. Whatever problems Sony had had to be miniscule compared to this because I never knew about it and I do a lot of research before I buy anything. I bought my PS2 in October 2003.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Face it, if someone's number one priority is the games, they will more than likely end up with a system that isn't a PS3, defects or not. Obviously the software is more than worth it to quite a few people. If you want a full multimedia setup and are more concerned with movies, then yes, PS3 is the clear winner. Don't get me wrong, I think the PS3 is an awesome system. If I had the money/time for it I would own both, but I can't justify having both consoles, so I chose the one that suits ME better.

Just think of this, though. If BluRay failed, and HD-DVD won for movie formats, how do you think the PS3 would be doing right now? There is no way you could say that it would be even remotely as successful as it is right now, let alone how well the 360 (with defects and a failed format mind you) is doing.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Dari

I was and never heard about it. Face it, Microsoft dropped the ball on this 360 and EVERYBODY knows about it. Whatever problems Sony had had to be miniscule compared to this because I never knew about it and I do a lot of research before I buy anything. I bought my PS2 in October 2003.

I criticize MS for the RRoD as much as anyone, but you're sticking your head in the sand just like those people who think that the RRoD is no big deal because they've never experienced it. The disc read error was not miniscule compared to the RRoD. We don't have numbers for either, but both are/were far above an acceptable failure rate.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Naustica

10% is still unacceptable and crazy high when it comes to electronics.

Ah, yea, not really.

iPods
Cell Phones
Hard Drives

Although 10% is still a bit of an arbitrary number for these newer consoles. It could be much higher or lower depending on who you ask.

The fact is, it was a design flaw. My understanding is that it was a combination of rushing the product to release and patent issues regarding the heatsink/clips. Working in design myself, I am well aware of the red tape involved with getting clearance to release designs - in particular when patents are involved.

It's definitely disappointing, but I think they took the high road with extending warranties to 3 years - something hard drive manufacturers learned a few years ago. If the next generation of Microsoft consoles (Xbox 720?) suffers the same fate, then no amount of PR damage-control will be able to dig them out.

Or really, maybe not. Much like the PS2's disc drive failure, the "average gamer" really isn't aware of it until it happens to them. I have a couple of friends who aren't as tech-savy or follow the industry, and they weren't aware of the system failing at all. I know before I bought mine I had no idea it was as big of an issue as it was.

But as I said before, when it comes to video games, software is paramount. I can really appreciate the fact that the system is built around Live. It's a pretty solid foundation. But Microsoft is first and foremost a software company, so what do you expect?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Dari

I was and never heard about it. Face it, Microsoft dropped the ball on this 360 and EVERYBODY knows about it. Whatever problems Sony had had to be miniscule compared to this because I never knew about it and I do a lot of research before I buy anything. I bought my PS2 in October 2003.

I criticize MS for the RRoD as much as anyone, but you're sticking your head in the sand just like those people who think that the RRoD is no big deal because they've never experienced it. The disc read error was not miniscule compared to the RRoD. We don't have numbers for either, but both are/were far above an acceptable failure rate.

Right. And like I said, it took me three years before I bought my PS2 and I never heard of that problem (not that I never experienced it). That's not sticking my head in the sand, it's stating facts. I bought my PS3 two weeks ago. That took me a year and a half. I bought the Wii last May as well. The 360 came out in 2005 and I'm still waiting...

BTW, my PS2 was also my first DVD player and I played the hell out of it. If I heard of these disc read error reports, I probably would've been more careful. But I didn't and I wasn't.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Face it, if someone's number one priority is the games, they will more than likely end up with a system that isn't a PS3, defects or not. Obviously the software is more than worth it to quite a few people. If you want a full multimedia setup and are more concerned with movies, then yes, PS3 is the clear winner. Don't get me wrong, I think the PS3 is an awesome system. If I had the money/time for it I would own both, but I can't justify having both consoles, so I chose the one that suits ME better.

Just think of this, though. If BluRay failed, and HD-DVD won for movie formats, how do you think the PS3 would be doing right now? There is no way you could say that it would be even remotely as successful as it is right now, let alone how well the 360 (with defects and a failed format mind you) is doing.

Well, luckily for Sony, it also doubled as a game machine:roll:. I guess some people have higher standards for products they buy than others.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Just think of this, though. If BluRay failed, and HD-DVD won for movie formats, how do you think the PS3 would be doing right now? There is no way you could say that it would be even remotely as successful as it is right now, let alone how well the 360 (with defects and a failed format mind you) is doing.

Well, luckily for Sony, it also doubled as a game machine:roll:. I guess some people have higher standards for products they buy than others.

So you just not going to answer this portion? How convenient.

Also, I never said the PS3 doesn't play games. I said that SOFTWARE plays the largest part in deciding which machine to get for someone whose #1 priority is GAMES. For people who don't care about HD movies, the media center capabilities of a PS3 mean nothing.

Do you react the same way with all items people purchase? Such as vehicles, clothes, food? Does it ever get old going on the same crusade over and over while not ever changing anyone's mind in the process? That's got to be a little frustrating...

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Back ON topic, though. I got an email from Microsoft saying they received my console yesterday at 6am, then another one at 8pm saying it was done and they were shipping it back. At least they ponied up and take care of things relatively quickly and for free so I'm not stuck buying a new system.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Just think of this, though. If BluRay failed, and HD-DVD won for movie formats, how do you think the PS3 would be doing right now? There is no way you could say that it would be even remotely as successful as it is right now, let alone how well the 360 (with defects and a failed format mind you) is doing.

Well, luckily for Sony, it also doubled as a game machine:roll:. I guess some people have higher standards for products they buy than others.

So you just not going to answer this portion? How convenient.

Also, I never said the PS3 doesn't play games. I said that SOFTWARE plays the largest part in deciding which machine to get for someone whose #1 priority is GAMES. For people who don't care about HD movies, the media center capabilities of a PS3 mean nothing.

Do you react the same way with all items people purchase? Such as vehicles, clothes, food? Does it ever get old going on the same crusade over and over while not ever changing anyone's mind in the process? That's got to be a little frustrating...

In his defense (though I still think he's a douche), if vehicles/clothes/food had a 50% failure rate I'd be a bit disheartened, too.

 

[potato28]

First one was gone in 6 months, second one is on its way out. Hasn't even been a year yet.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Just think of this, though. If BluRay failed, and HD-DVD won for movie formats, how do you think the PS3 would be doing right now? There is no way you could say that it would be even remotely as successful as it is right now, let alone how well the 360 (with defects and a failed format mind you) is doing.

Well, luckily for Sony, it also doubled as a game machine:roll:. I guess some people have higher standards for products they buy than others.

So you just not going to answer this portion? How convenient.

Also, I never said the PS3 doesn't play games. I said that SOFTWARE plays the largest part in deciding which machine to get for someone whose #1 priority is GAMES. For people who don't care about HD movies, the media center capabilities of a PS3 mean nothing.

Do you react the same way with all items people purchase? Such as vehicles, clothes, food? Does it ever get old going on the same crusade over and over while not ever changing anyone's mind in the process? That's got to be a little frustrating...

Considering the fact that modern systems are about more than games, your point is moot. However, the PS3 is primarily a gaming system first and media player second. Remember, the PS2 was a lot of people's first DVD player. Furthermore, Xbox doesn't really have the types of games I like. Most are either FPS or shoot-em-up.

Oh, and I never go on crusades for anything. I keep my ears close to opinions of owners of products I want to buy and I vote with my wallet. I let people like you purchase first before I make my decision. So far, from what I'm hearing, the 360 has shitty and unreliable hardware for the money.