360 RRoD Rate

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: ducci
In his defense (though I still think he's a douche), if vehicles/clothes/food had a 50% failure rate I'd be a bit disheartened, too.

Haha, yes I totally agree. Although, let me put a little "Dari" perspective on that for you! If I could buy a car on the first day that it was available, and out of the 3 years of ownership it was only out of commission and unavailable for a single week while it was getting fixed for FREE, I would say SIGN ME UP! :laugh::laugh: But yeah I know what you're saying.

And Dari, you never answered my question.

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
If BluRay failed, and HD-DVD won for movie formats, how do you think the PS3 would be doing right now?

Originally posted by: Dari
Well, luckily for Sony, it also doubled as a game machine:roll:.

That's fantastic. Too bad I never said it never played games. The PS3 would be in a world of hurt if BluRay failed. Not so much now that their library is growing. You have to think in terms of when a winner was declared what was available for it. To deny that it would be just as well off would confirm that you hang out with this guy.

And I agree with you that the PS2 was the first DVD player for a lot of people. Because it was cheaper than a stand alone. Exactly the huge selling point with a PS3 and BluRay. That just brings me back to my question above. What if that failed? You can claim that a PS3 is primarily a gaming system, but if neither PS3 nor 360 had ANY movie playback, the 360 would have walked away all day long. I don't think the fact that modern systems being more than gaming makes my point of software being the biggest factor moot at all, but maybe that's just me.

You prefer the game selection of the PS3 over 360, so you bought one. No harm no foul. Others like the game selection of 360 over PS3, so they buy one. Lots of harm and fouls? Hardly. Stop with the elitist attitude and ripping on things other people buy to make themselves happy.

Why can't we all just get along??

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: ducci
In his defense (though I still think he's a douche), if vehicles/clothes/food had a 50% failure rate I'd be a bit disheartened, too.

Haha, yes I totally agree. Although, let me put a little "Dari" perspective on that for you! If I could buy a car on the first day that it was available, and out of the 3 years of ownership it was only out of commission and unavailable for a single week while it was getting fixed for FREE, I would say SIGN ME UP! :laugh::laugh: But yeah I know what you're saying.

The problem with your analogy is that over one-third of all cars would have to have this problem. Fuck whether you're out of commission for a week. The truth is, when you get the car back (or a new car) you'll have the same problem again. When you have multiple design flaws no amount of band-aid can fix that.

And Dari, you never answered my question.

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
If BluRay failed, and HD-DVD won for movie formats, how do you think the PS3 would be doing right now?

Well, we can speculate until we're blue in the face. I choose to deal with facts and the fact is the PS3 is far more reliable than the 360. Like I told you before, I have no problem with getting a 360, but I won't get it so long as it's shitty and unreliable. I am not a "fanboy" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just a guy that likes to see his dollar go far and doesn't want to get acquainted with customer service on a first-name basis. I am not the most pleasant person to speak to when I call to complain about service.

Originally posted by: Dari
Well, luckily for Sony, it also doubled as a game machine:roll:.

That's fantastic. Too bad I never said it never played games. The PS3 would be in a world of hurt if BluRay failed. Not so much now that their library is growing. You have to think in terms of when a winner was declared what was available for it. To deny that it would be just as well off would confirm that you hang out with this guy.

And I agree with you that the PS2 was the first DVD player for a lot of people. Because it was cheaper than a stand alone. Exactly the huge selling point with a PS3 and BluRay. That just brings me back to my question above. What if that failed? You can claim that a PS3 is primarily a gaming system, but if neither PS3 nor 360 had ANY movie playback, the 360 would have walked away all day long. I don't think the fact that modern systems being more than gaming makes my point of software being the biggest factor moot at all, but maybe that's just me.

You prefer the game selection of the PS3 over 360, so you bought one. No harm no foul. Others like the game selection of 360 over PS3, so they buy one. Lots of harm and fouls? Hardly. Stop with the elitist attitude and ripping on things other people buy to make themselves happy.

Why can't we all just get along??

If you want a pure gaming machine you would get a Nintendo Wii. The truth is, the 360 and PS3 are meant to be at the center of your living room. Both show photos, play music, videos, movie trailers, demos, in addition to playing games. The 360 even has a movie download service. Your focus on games is extremely misleading. Now, if your shitty and unreliable hardware is at the center of your living room and is supposed to do all that, what good is it if it has to be out of commission every now and then? Again, I have no preference over Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo. What I do prefer is quality and I will be very unforgiving to those who don't come through on that front.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SnipemasterJ13

You prefer the game selection of the PS3 over 360, so you bought one. No harm no foul. Others like the game selection of 360 over PS3, so they buy one. Lots of harm and fouls? Hardly. Stop with the elitist attitude and ripping on things other people buy to make themselves happy.

If you want a pure gaming machine you would get a Nintendo Wii. The truth is, the 360 and PS3 are meant to be at the center of your living room. Both show photos, play music, videos, movie trailers, demos, in addition to playing games. The 360 even has a movie download service. Your focus on games is extremely misleading. Now, if your shitty and unreliable hardware is at the center of your living room and is supposed to do all that, what good is it if it has to be out of commission every now and then? Again, I have no preference over Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo. What I do prefer is quality and I will be very unforgiving to those who don't come through on that front.

Once again, and for the last time. Look at the games each system provides. If the fact that all Nintendo Wii can do is play games, then yes, it sure is a pure gaming machine. That doesn't mean everyone loves the games that are available for it - even with a cheaper price and no hardware flaws. I know I for one don't care to play Mario v2762 that much.

As for the bold text above, no it's not misleading. Many people only care about the software that is available for their console, and if they like it. For those, these additional features don't mean a thing. To those that are looking for it to be their centerpiece of their living room, I agree 100% with you. My point is, and I still don't think it's moot, is that tons of people DON'T care about that, and go for the games they like.

That is why you went with the PS3, because you don't prefer a lot of FPS/shoot-em-ups. So even if the hardware didn't have flaws, you would still prefer the PS3 over 360, because of the GAMES. That's why the demographic of the Wii is nowhere near the PS3 and 360, because of the games that are available for it. That is why I (and it seems many others) gravitate so much towards the gaming aspect of it.

That is all.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: SnipemasterJ13

You prefer the game selection of the PS3 over 360, so you bought one. No harm no foul. Others like the game selection of 360 over PS3, so they buy one. Lots of harm and fouls? Hardly. Stop with the elitist attitude and ripping on things other people buy to make themselves happy.

If you want a pure gaming machine you would get a Nintendo Wii. The truth is, the 360 and PS3 are meant to be at the center of your living room. Both show photos, play music, videos, movie trailers, demos, in addition to playing games. The 360 even has a movie download service. Your focus on games is extremely misleading. Now, if your shitty and unreliable hardware is at the center of your living room and is supposed to do all that, what good is it if it has to be out of commission every now and then? Again, I have no preference over Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo. What I do prefer is quality and I will be very unforgiving to those who don't come through on that front.

Once again, and for the last time. Look at the games each system provides. If the fact that all Nintendo Wii can do is play games, then yes, it sure is a pure gaming machine. That doesn't mean everyone loves the games that are available for it - even with a cheaper price and no hardware flaws. I know I for one don't care to play Mario v2762 that much.

As for the bold text above, no it's not misleading. Many people only care about the software that is available for their console, and if they like it. For those, these additional features don't mean a thing. To those that are looking for it to be their centerpiece of their living room, I agree 100% with you. My point is, and I still don't think it's moot, is that tons of people DON'T care about that, and go for the games they like.

That is why you went with the PS3, because you don't prefer a lot of FPS/shoot-em-ups. So even if the hardware didn't have flaws, you would still prefer the PS3 over 360, because of the GAMES. That's why the demographic of the Wii is nowhere near the PS3 and 360, because of the games that are available for it. That is why I (and it seems many others) gravitate so much towards the gaming aspect of it.

That is all.

How many times do I have to tell you the only thing holding me back from getting a 360 is hardware? I would get the 360 tomorrow if I knew it was as reliable as the Japanese systems. But it isn't. And one reason why some flock to the PS3 is the community effect. The more people it has, the more it'll attract. Considering it came first and has a competent multiplayer system is why they come. Similar games can be found on the PS3. Anyway, I think I'm done here. When the level of complaint goes down about 360's reliability, I'll jump on board.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Dari
How many times do I have to tell you the only thing holding me back from getting a 360 is hardware? I would get the 360 tomorrow if I knew it was as reliable as the Japanese systems. But it isn't. And one reason why some flock to the PS3 is the community effect. The more people it has, the more it'll attract. Considering it came first and has a competent multiplayer system is why they come. Similar games can be found on the PS3. Anyway, I think I'm done here. When the level of complaint goes down about 360's reliability, I'll jump on board.

If the 360 has exclusive games/features you're interested in, why wouldn't you just get one and not worry about it? If it fails, then you're without it for a few weeks - no big deal. Even less of a deal since you already have a PS3 which can (hypothetically) be used to play games while the 360 is being fixed (for free).

If the console does not have exclusive games you're interested in - which you claimed it doesn't - why would you buy one even if the hardware was solid? In terms of a media center, the PS3 is a better product anyway - so if it's not for gaming there's no point.

Whatever, if it makes you happy, continue on your crusade against Microsoft and dryhumping your PS3. It really doesn't matter. The 360 isn't the greatest piece of engineering. It stings when it dies, a bit less now that MS increased the warranty to 3 years, but it still stings. But if it has games on it you want to play - and more so if you have friends who you want to play with - I personally think you're foolish if the possibility - as high as it may be - of it failing over the course of its life is preventing you from getting one.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ducci

Whatever, if it makes you happy, continue on your crusade against Microsoft and dryhumping your PS3. It really doesn't matter.

:laugh:

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Dari
How many times do I have to tell you the only thing holding me back from getting a 360 is hardware? I would get the 360 tomorrow if I knew it was as reliable as the Japanese systems. But it isn't. And one reason why some flock to the PS3 is the community effect. The more people it has, the more it'll attract. Considering it came first and has a competent multiplayer system is why they come. Similar games can be found on the PS3. Anyway, I think I'm done here. When the level of complaint goes down about 360's reliability, I'll jump on board.

If the 360 has exclusive games/features you're interested in, why wouldn't you just get one and not worry about it? If it fails, then you're without it for a few weeks - no big deal. Even less of a deal since you already have a PS3 which can (hypothetically) be used to play games while the 360 is being fixed (for free).

If the console does not have exclusive games you're interested in - which you claimed it doesn't - why would you buy one even if the hardware was solid? In terms of a media center, the PS3 is a better product anyway - so if it's not for gaming there's no point.

Whatever, if it makes you happy, continue on your crusade against Microsoft and dryhumping your PS3. It really doesn't matter. The 360 isn't the greatest piece of engineering. It stings when it dies, a bit less now that MS increased the warranty to 3 years, but it still stings. But if it has games on it you want to play - and more so if you have friends who you want to play with - I personally think you're foolish if the possibility - as high as it may be - of it failing over the course of its life is preventing you from getting one.

Because at the end of the day, they're just fucking games. Nothing foolish about missing out over entertainment that can be replicated elsewhere. I rather go out and enjoy my life than ponder what I'm missing on an Xbox. Hence, I take a wait a see approach. I'm in no rush to play any games on any console, let alone purchase shitty hardware just for the sake of playing something because some asshole on the internet told me so. Nah, I think I'll let you continue to beta-test that POS for me. I'm sure you'll let me know when it's good to go.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: Dari
Furthermore, Xbox doesn't really have the types of games I like. Most are either FPS or shoot-em-up.

Originally posted by: Dari
How many times do I have to tell you the only thing holding me back from getting a 360 is hardware? I would get the 360 tomorrow if I knew it was as reliable as the Japanese systems.

Why would you buy one if it doesn't have games you like? The majority of exclusives are exactly what you don't like - FPS and shoot-em-ups.

Originally posted by: Dari
I'm sure you'll let me know when it's good to go.

Let us know when we can borrow your over-sized ladder that you use to get up on your crusading horse, and we'll be happy to! :laugh:

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: Dari
Furthermore, Xbox doesn't really have the types of games I like. Most are either FPS or shoot-em-up.

Originally posted by: Dari
How many times do I have to tell you the only thing holding me back from getting a 360 is hardware? I would get the 360 tomorrow if I knew it was as reliable as the Japanese systems.

Why would you buy one if it doesn't have games you like? The majority of exclusives are exactly what you don't like - FPS and shoot-em-ups.

Originally posted by: Dari
I'm sure you'll let me know when it's good to go.

Let us know when we can borrow your over-sized ladder that you use to get up on your crusading horse, and we'll be happy to! :laugh:

But it has games that I do like. I have a Nintendo Wii as well but I only play Wii Sports with my fiancee. What's your point?

People like you should thank me for being overtly critical of Microsoft for selling shitty hardware. Since you already purchased their hardware, it's safe to say that your voice matters less. Meanwhile, those of us that abjure their shitty hardware AND complain about it get more attention. Hopefully, this will make them produce better products in the future.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: Dari
Because at the end of the day, they're just fucking games. Nothing foolish about missing out over entertainment that can be replicated elsewhere. I rather go out and enjoy my life than ponder what I'm missing on an Xbox. Hence, I take a wait a see approach. I'm in no rush to play any games on any console, let alone purchase shitty hardware just for the sake of playing something because some asshole on the internet told me so. Nah, I think I'll let you continue to beta-test that POS for me. I'm sure you'll let me know when it's good to go.

I was merely implying that if you were in the market for a console and wanted to play games that only the 360 had or if you had friends with 360s you wish to play video games with, you should get it regardless of whether or not it may or may not fail. There are other forms of entertainment - perhaps you can engage in them during the few weeks you are without a 360 in the event it does fail.

If you aren't in the market for a console - and have no interest in the 360 or its games - why the hell are you even posting in this thread?

You're an idiot and a troll. I am aware of this. I think others here are aware of this. It seems the only one not aware of this is you - which is probably a Catch-22 as if you knew you were an idiot, you probably wouldn't be one in the first place.

So seriously, and with complete sincerity - go away.

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Originally posted by: Dari
People like you should thank me for being overtly critical of Microsoft for selling shitty hardware. Since you already purchased their hardware, it's safe to say that your voice matters less. Meanwhile, those of us that abjure their shitty hardware AND complain about it get more attention. Hopefully, this will make them produce better products in the future.

People that think they are doing others a service when they are only annoying them are entertaining to me. To think your voice means more is laughable as well. You didn't spend $3-400 for a 360. That is no skin of Microsoft's back. I purchased one, and now they are paying to get it shipped both ways, repairing it for free, paying the people who repair consoles, and getting higher stats for a failure rate. It's safe to say my voice has cost them a hell of a lot more than your little protest. Turns out your comments aren't so safe after all...surprising!

Microsoft is paying (literally) a ton of money to deal with the failure rate of the 360. That is the only voice they care about anyway. Money talks, and Microsoft is listening to that, not you.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: Dari
Because at the end of the day, they're just fucking games. Nothing foolish about missing out over entertainment that can be replicated elsewhere. I rather go out and enjoy my life than ponder what I'm missing on an Xbox. Hence, I take a wait a see approach. I'm in no rush to play any games on any console, let alone purchase shitty hardware just for the sake of playing something because some asshole on the internet told me so. Nah, I think I'll let you continue to beta-test that POS for me. I'm sure you'll let me know when it's good to go.

I was merely implying that if you were in the market for a console and wanted to play games that only the 360 had or if you had friends with 360s you wish to play video games with, you should get it regardless of whether or not it may or may not fail. There are other forms of entertainment - perhaps you can engage in them during the few weeks you are without a 360 in the event it does fail.

If you aren't in the market for a console - and have no interest in the 360 or its games - why the hell are you even posting in this thread?

You're an idiot and a troll. I am aware of this. I think others here are aware of this. It seems the only one not aware of this is you - which is probably a Catch-22 as if you knew you were an idiot, you probably wouldn't be one in the first place.

So seriously, and with complete sincerity - go away.

I'm here to let you know that you have shitty hardware. I'm sure you already knew that but don't like being told. You're just a simple idiot who can't understand the fact that if you continue to use shitty products, companies will have less respect for you and continue to make said product.

Again, let me know when it's fixed, asshole, so I can buy one.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13

Originally posted by: Dari
People like you should thank me for being overtly critical of Microsoft for selling shitty hardware. Since you already purchased their hardware, it's safe to say that your voice matters less. Meanwhile, those of us that abjure their shitty hardware AND complain about it get more attention. Hopefully, this will make them produce better products in the future.

People that think they are doing others a service when they are only annoying them are entertaining to me. To think your voice means more is laughable as well. You didn't spend $3-400 for a 360. That is no skin of Microsoft's back. I purchased one, and now they are paying to get it shipped both ways, repairing it for free, paying the people who repair consoles, and getting higher stats for a failure rate. It's safe to say my voice has cost them a hell of a lot more than your little protest. Turns out your comments aren't so safe after all...surprising!

Microsoft is paying (literally) a ton of money to deal with the failure rate of the 360. That is the only voice they care about anyway. Money talks, and Microsoft is listening to that, not you.

You and Microsoft are paying many times over for the latter producing shitty hardware and you think it's a good thing? If you think that, then you deserve what you get. I'm the one that's getting entertained (watching this charade).

 

[SnipeMasterJ13]

Please bold the text where I said it's a good thing. Seriously, do it.

I simply stated that they are paying a far greater price by having to repair console after console compared to you not buying one to begin with. That said, that is going to be the biggest motivator to build a higher quality product next time. Do you think they give a shit if you didn't buy a 360 so much that they will completely redesign the whole product? Not a chance.

And yes, I deserve what I get. A console that I've enjoyed for three years. Enjoyment that wouldn't have been accessible with a PS3.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: SnipeMasterJ13
Please bold the text where I said it's a good thing. Seriously, do it.

I simply stated that they are paying a far greater price by having to repair console after console compared to you not buying one to begin with. That said, that is going to be the biggest motivator to build a higher quality product next time. Do you think they give a shit if you didn't buy a 360 so much that they will completely redesign the whole product? Not a chance.

And yes, I deserve what I get. A console that I've enjoyed for three years. Enjoyment that wouldn't have been accessible with a PS3.

To each his own, I guess.