37 Children Dead - Latest Israeli Air Strike

[fallenangel99]

Shrug, Israel is just creating MORE Hezbollah sympathizers in Lebanon (not just S.Lebanon) than ever before. After seeing death and destruction around you in Lebanon, you have no choice but to hate Israel even if you were neutral at the beginning of the war.

Look at Iraq. There were no insurgency when the U.S. invasion of Iraq happened. Three years later, people hate Americans in Iraq even more (they hated Saddam and viewed teh Americans as liberators).

Israel has a new enemy-neighbor to the north now - the ENTIRE country of Lebanon.

 

[replicator]

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: replicator

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: replicator
Its disgusting how so many people in this thread see the bombings as justified, and lebanese civilian life worth nothing.

So Israel says it is a mistake.. How many mistakes are they allowed to make in a war? How many civilians have they killed? 90% of the casualities?

Why don't you help out the Israelies and the civilians by going to Lebanon and show the Israelies where all the bad guys are?

What is your point? That's right, you don't have any!

Where there is a rocket launched, the IDF has said they would level the entire village or town.

http://www.ariga.com/2006-07-27.shtml

"The heavy casualties suffered yesterday by the IDF in a battle at Bint Jebayel -- eight soldiers killed and more than 20 wounded -- has sparked strident calls in the press for Israel to use all the firepower at its disposal to ?level? any place in Lebanon from which Hizbollah launches rockets, whether a village in south Lebanon or a neighborhood in Tyre. Indeed, the main headline in Yedioth Aharonoth this morning was a quote from a ?senior officer? saying that was the army?s new recommendation to the government."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Conten...l_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

"Last week, Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon said that civilians have had plenty of time to leave the villages of southern Lebanon, and that Israel should now flatten these villages. "All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah," Ramon said.

In fact, the situation in southern Lebanon is so dangerous that it is almost impossible for civilians ? including Canadians trapped there ? to get out. A number of civilians attempting to flee, as well as ambulance workers and UN peacekeepers, have been killed and wounded by Israeli bombs."

Point is, there will always be casaulties in war. Unless you know something the whole world doesn't.

I guess that makes everything just peachy. I suppose we can say that about anything, the ethnic cleansings in Iraq, Yugoslavia, even the Holocaust.

Woopedo. Its war, people die.. I get your point.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Point is, there will always be casaulties in war. Unless you know something the whole world doesn't.

Point is, when those casualties are caused by the U.S. or Israel they're called "mistakes". When those casualties are caused by anyone else they're called "terrorists". Why aren't the U.S. and Israel terrorists when they kill innocent civilians too?

 

[novon]

The hypocrisy is mind blowing, the US pretends to be urging restraint and a cease fire while at the same time express-shipping 5,000 lbs. bombs to Israel to continue their rampage.

 

[sumyungai]

Originally posted by: replicator

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: replicator

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: replicator
Its disgusting how so many people in this thread see the bombings as justified, and lebanese civilian life worth nothing.

So Israel says it is a mistake.. How many mistakes are they allowed to make in a war? How many civilians have they killed? 90% of the casualities?

Why don't you help out the Israelies and the civilians by going to Lebanon and show the Israelies where all the bad guys are?

What is your point? That's right, you don't have any!

Where there is a rocket launched, the IDF has said they would level the entire village or town.

http://www.ariga.com/2006-07-27.shtml

"The heavy casualties suffered yesterday by the IDF in a battle at Bint Jebayel -- eight soldiers killed and more than 20 wounded -- has sparked strident calls in the press for Israel to use all the firepower at its disposal to ?level? any place in Lebanon from which Hizbollah launches rockets, whether a village in south Lebanon or a neighborhood in Tyre. Indeed, the main headline in Yedioth Aharonoth this morning was a quote from a ?senior officer? saying that was the army?s new recommendation to the government."

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Conten...l_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

"Last week, Israeli Justice Minister Haim Ramon said that civilians have had plenty of time to leave the villages of southern Lebanon, and that Israel should now flatten these villages. "All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah," Ramon said.

In fact, the situation in southern Lebanon is so dangerous that it is almost impossible for civilians ? including Canadians trapped there ? to get out. A number of civilians attempting to flee, as well as ambulance workers and UN peacekeepers, have been killed and wounded by Israeli bombs."

Point is, there will always be casaulties in war. Unless you know something the whole world doesn't.

I guess that makes everything just peachy. I suppose we can say that about anything, the ethnic cleansings in Iraq, Yugoslavia, even the Holocaust.

Woopedo. Its war, people die.. I get your point.

You're confusing genocide with war.

 

[sumyungai]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Point is, there will always be casaulties in war. Unless you know something the whole world doesn't.

Point is, when those casualties are caused by the U.S. or Israel they're called "mistakes". When those casualties are caused by anyone else they're called "terrorists". Why aren't the U.S. and Israel terrorists when they kill innocent civilians too?

When the US or Israel tries to bomb the bad guys and accidently kill some innocent civilian in the mix, then its a mistake. When Hezbolla or Al qaeda specifically targets innocent civilians, then they are called terrorists. See the difference? It's really not that hard to comprehend.

 

[will889]

Originally posted by: novon
The hypocrocy is mind blowing, the US pretends to be urging restraint and a cease fire while at the same time express-shipping 5,000 lbs. bombs to Israel to continue their rampage.

By the thousands - at US taxpayers expense.

 

[jpeyton]

I'm pretty sure if I bombed a building full of women and children, 'rockets' would have definitely been fired from the area. Definitely. Obviously. Just like rockets were fired adjacent to the house of that Lebanese woman and her 5 children; just like there were rockets fired near that U.N. Observer Post.

Who here is actually naive enough to believe this will do anything but escalate the situation? Killing dozens of Hezbollah soldiers and hundreds of civilians is going decisively end the conflict? Hezbollah isn't a country; Israel is going to be as successful in weakening them as we were in capturing Osama (dead or alive, remember?).

Just a quick FYI; what is more important to the US in the Middle East: 1) A tiny strip of land occupied by Jews or 2) $1 trillion in black gold buried underneath the feet of Muslim nations. I know which one Bush and his oil buddies would pick; didn't you hear about Exxon's profit last quarter? Government is a business; don't kid yourself into believing anything but.

 

[Aimster]

well if the Arabs wanted they could control the U.S's influence on Israel.

They have the oil. Without their oil on the global market.. we would be screwed.

However, none of the nations surrounding Israel have a drop of oil that matters to the world and the Arab nations with oil are on the other side living in dream land. Bentleys .... private jets .... I wish I could be part of that dream land...

 

[daveymark]

Ugh...it's disgusting the way the Lebanese and Hamas are willing to sacrifice their children

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: daveymark
Ugh...it's disgusting the way the Lebanese and Hamas are willing to sacrifice their children

I know there are real people like you in the world but I never get to meet any of them personally because they are usually hiding under a rock somewhere.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Point is, there will always be casaulties in war. Unless you know something the whole world doesn't.

Point is, when those casualties are caused by the U.S. or Israel they're called "mistakes". When those casualties are caused by anyone else they're called "terrorists". Why aren't the U.S. and Israel terrorists when they kill innocent civilians too?

When the US or Israel tries to bomb the bad guys and accidently kill some innocent civilian in the mix, then its a mistake. When Hezbolla or Al qaeda specifically targets innocent civilians, then they are called terrorists. See the difference? It's really not that hard to comprehend.

Specific or not, you kill civilians, you're a terrorist. Everything else is just an excuse to justify what nations need to do to protect their own selfish interests.

 

[sumyungai]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Point is, there will always be casaulties in war. Unless you know something the whole world doesn't.

Point is, when those casualties are caused by the U.S. or Israel they're called "mistakes". When those casualties are caused by anyone else they're called "terrorists". Why aren't the U.S. and Israel terrorists when they kill innocent civilians too?

When the US or Israel tries to bomb the bad guys and accidently kill some innocent civilian in the mix, then its a mistake. When Hezbolla or Al qaeda specifically targets innocent civilians, then they are called terrorists. See the difference? It's really not that hard to comprehend.

Specific or not, you kill civilians, you're a terrorist. Everything else is just an excuse to justify what nations need to do to protect their own selfish interests.

By your definition, the US and Israelis are terrorists. Amazing, simply amazing. How can anyone take you seriously?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: sumyungai

Point is, there will always be casaulties in war. Unless you know something the whole world doesn't.

Point is, when those casualties are caused by the U.S. or Israel they're called "mistakes". When those casualties are caused by anyone else they're called "terrorists". Why aren't the U.S. and Israel terrorists when they kill innocent civilians too?

When the US or Israel tries to bomb the bad guys and accidently kill some innocent civilian in the mix, then its a mistake. When Hezbolla or Al qaeda specifically targets innocent civilians, then they are called terrorists. See the difference? It's really not that hard to comprehend.

Specific or not, you kill civilians, you're a terrorist. Everything else is just an excuse to justify what nations need to do to protect their own selfish interests.

By your definition, the US and Israelis are terrorists. Amazing, simply amazing. How can anyone take you seriously?

I've read your posts and you're the very last person who should be asking this!

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Snoop
It really would not suprise me if hezbollah is putting civilians and children in harms way just to further their propaganda and agenda. I have absolutely 0 doubt that Isreal is not targeting innocents and is doing everything in their power to minimize these events.

They seem remarkably frequent for a country aiming to minimise them.

I believe Israel's only killed about one civilian per 25 bombs dropped. Thats really not that bad considering the way Hezbollah is hiding amongst civilians.

Hezbollah only killed one civilian per 80 rockets fired. They must be saints :roll:

 

[KK]

People die in wars, civilian and military folks. Do we really need a thread everytime some folks die? WWII Stats make this look little conflict look like it hardly even exists.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: KK
People die in wars, civilian and military folks. Do we really need a thread everytime some folks die? WWII Stats make this look little conflict look like it hardly even exists.

That's the truth; 9/11's civilian deaths are unnoticable next to any figures from WWI or WWII. Al Qaeda must have leveled the WTCs because we were firing rockets at them from 50 meters next door.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: novon
"QANA, Lebanon (Reuters) - An Israeli air strike killed 54 Lebanese civilians, including 37 children, on Sunday, prompting Lebanon to tell U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice she was unwelcome in Beirut before a cease-fire."

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArt..._01_L22849465_RTRUKOC_0_UK-MIDEAST.xml

When the heck is the US going to say enough is enough? Israel seems to have a never ending bloodthirst.

Hezbollah was firing rockets there on the spot. The blame is on them and whoever was retarded enough to place the children in a war zone in the first place.

Originally posted by: mrCide
i figured someone who kills children because 'they are in the way' is the coward, but that's me.

So you're perfectly alright with the terrorists who put them there?

I don't like seeing them die, but if you support those who put them there you will see thousands of children in war zones die. Pick your side in this war wisely. Those who stand behind children, or those who stand in front of them.

 

[Aimster]

Im bored ... so why the hell not ....

Israel has guided missiles ... they can pinpoint exactly where the missiles should go and hit .... near a building doesnt sound like they were aiming for their target....but rather targetting a building that had nothing to do with the firing.

& civilians being told to leave ... this is Lebanon. People make like dirt compared to what we make. Where are they going to go? Hotels in Beirut? HA.

Fact is.. Israel is going to carpet bomb the Hezbollah strongholds in Lebanon. Civilian deaths in those areas do not matter because chances are they support Hezbollah.

next up.. hezbollah lovers

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Hezbollah was firing rockets there on the spot. The blame is on them and whoever was retarded enough to place the children in a war zone in the first place.

Military news releases are propaganda at its best. Saying rockets were fired next door is a great way to save face. And regardless, Israel has shown the ability to pinpoint and destroy individual buildings with their arsenal, leaving adjacent structures standing. This building was targeted directly.

Believe it or not, real everyday people actually live in the areas that are being bombed. Schools, markets, homes...if your neighborhood was bombed, who would we blame for putting you there?

So you're perfectly alright with the terrorists who put them there?

I don't like seeing them die, but if you support those who put them there you will see thousands of children in war zones die. Pick your side in this war wisely. Those who stand behind children, or those who stand in front of them.

The families that were hiding in the basement of that building were trying to seek refuge from Israeli bombardment. The same Israeli bombardment that has bombed roads full of people trying to escape south Lebanon, leaving cars full of charred bodies. Israel even forced UN Observers out of the area because their bombing was so reckless. The real number of civilian deaths will easily be double once the bombardment stops and people are able to recover bodies without shells going off nearby.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Even back in the 80s just prior to the US Embasy bombing the various terror groups would have bomb factories in appartment buildings packed with civilians.

A security team from the US, sent to assess embasy security, rode around town with a device designed to set off radio controlled explosives. They didn't have to go far until a building blew up killing many people and no doubt killing terrorists and destroying a bomb factory.

These people, the terrorists, do not play nice and they take advantage of everything and everyone around them.

Remember that these are the same guys that would use UN ambulances to move gunman around. Why? Because they can. What did Israel do? They blew up UN ambulances suspected to be packed with gunman.

So don't be shocked or surprised that they are willing to level a building if they suspect terrorists are there. Obviously, historically speaking, Israel doesn't outright bomb places where there are many civilians. Most likely they did not know the refugees were there. That doesn't make Israel a saint either. They have been shown quite willing to butcher a whole family to get at a terrorist leader.

If they really wanted to keep casualties low on civilians they would use infantry. However when you do that be prepared for very heavy casualties.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Hezbollah was firing rockets there on the spot. The blame is on them and whoever was retarded enough to place the children in a war zone in the first place.

Military news releases are propaganda at its best. Saying rockets were fired next door is a great way to save face.

Believe it or not, real everyday people actually live in the areas that are being bombed. Schools, markets, homes...if your neighborhood was bombed, who would we blame for putting you there?

So you're perfectly alright with the terrorists who put them there?

I don't like seeing them die, but if you support those who put them there you will see thousands of children in war zones die. Pick your side in this war wisely. Those who stand behind children, or those who stand in front of them.

The families that were hiding in the basement of that building were trying to seek refuge from Israeli bombardment. The same Israeli bombardment that has bombed roads full of people trying to escape south Lebanon, leaving cars full of charred bodies. Israel even forced UN Observers out of the area because their bombing was so reckless. The real number of civilian deaths will easily be double once the bombardment stops and people are able to recover bodies without shells going off nearby.

That's the first time I heard Israel willing to kill many civilians outright to complete objectives.

What is your source?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Aelius
Even back in the 80s just prior to the US Embasy bombing the various terror groups would have bomb factories in appartment buildings packed with civilians.

A security team from the US, sent to assess embasy security, rode around town with a device designed to set off radio controlled explosives. They didn't have to go far until a building blew up killing many people and no doubt killing terrorists and destroying a bomb factory.

These people, the terrorists, do not play nice and they take advantage of everything and everyone around them.

Remember that these are the same guys that would use UN ambulances to move gunman around. Why? Because they can. What did Israel do? They blew up UN ambulances suspected to be packed with gunman.

So don't be shocked or surprised that they are willing to level a building if they suspect terrorists are there. Obviously, historically speaking, Israel doesn't outright bomb places where there are many civilians. Most likely they did not know the refugees were there. That doesn't make Israel a saint either. They have been shown quite willing to butcher a whole family to get at a terrorist leader.

If they really wanted to keep casualties low on civilians they would use infantry. However when you do that be prepared for very heavy casualties.

Nope. No mention of any suspected bomb factory in this building was mentioned by the IDF.
Thier excuse was because it was near some firing.

So a nation fights terror with terror? I mean bombing apartment buildings full of civilians is exactly that.. terror. The excuse that they didn't know is just someone trying too hard to justify a wrong. If you do not know what it is you are bombing then don't bomb it. How hard can that be?

Why is it people justify the wrongs of country A by comparing it to the wrongs of country B .. oh but in this case it is not a country.. it is a group within a country... so ...

This is fun.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Aelius
Even back in the 80s just prior to the US Embasy bombing the various terror groups would have bomb factories in appartment buildings packed with civilians.

A security team from the US, sent to assess embasy security, rode around town with a device designed to set off radio controlled explosives. They didn't have to go far until a building blew up killing many people and no doubt killing terrorists and destroying a bomb factory.

These people, the terrorists, do not play nice and they take advantage of everything and everyone around them.

Remember that these are the same guys that would use UN ambulances to move gunman around. Why? Because they can. What did Israel do? They blew up UN ambulances suspected to be packed with gunman.

So don't be shocked or surprised that they are willing to level a building if they suspect terrorists are there. Obviously, historically speaking, Israel doesn't outright bomb places where there are many civilians. Most likely they did not know the refugees were there. That doesn't make Israel a saint either. They have been shown quite willing to butcher a whole family to get at a terrorist leader.

If they really wanted to keep casualties low on civilians they would use infantry. However when you do that be prepared for very heavy casualties.

Nope. No mention of any suspected bomb factory in this building was mentioned by the IDF.
Thier excuse was because it was near some firing.

So a nation fights terror with terror? I mean bombing apartment buildings full of civilians is exactly that.. terror. The excuse that they didn't know is just someone trying too hard to justify a wrong. If you do not know what it is you are bombing then don't bomb it. How hard can that be?

Why is it people justify the wrongs of country A by comparing it to the wrongs of country B .. oh but in this case it is not a country.. it is a group within a country... so ...

This is fun.

I think I have been a lot more fair than anyone here and I pointed out precisely what each was willing to do. I even gave an alternative. I don't see anywhere where I'm siding with either side so I don't need comments like this. Period end of discussion.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Aelius

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Aelius
Even back in the 80s just prior to the US Embasy bombing the various terror groups would have bomb factories in appartment buildings packed with civilians.

A security team from the US, sent to assess embasy security, rode around town with a device designed to set off radio controlled explosives. They didn't have to go far until a building blew up killing many people and no doubt killing terrorists and destroying a bomb factory.

These people, the terrorists, do not play nice and they take advantage of everything and everyone around them.

Remember that these are the same guys that would use UN ambulances to move gunman around. Why? Because they can. What did Israel do? They blew up UN ambulances suspected to be packed with gunman.

So don't be shocked or surprised that they are willing to level a building if they suspect terrorists are there. Obviously, historically speaking, Israel doesn't outright bomb places where there are many civilians. Most likely they did not know the refugees were there. That doesn't make Israel a saint either. They have been shown quite willing to butcher a whole family to get at a terrorist leader.

If they really wanted to keep casualties low on civilians they would use infantry. However when you do that be prepared for very heavy casualties.

Nope. No mention of any suspected bomb factory in this building was mentioned by the IDF.
Thier excuse was because it was near some firing.

So a nation fights terror with terror? I mean bombing apartment buildings full of civilians is exactly that.. terror. The excuse that they didn't know is just someone trying too hard to justify a wrong. If you do not know what it is you are bombing then don't bomb it. How hard can that be?

Why is it people justify the wrongs of country A by comparing it to the wrongs of country B .. oh but in this case it is not a country.. it is a group within a country... so ...

This is fun.

I think I have been a lot more fair than anyone here and I pointed out precisely what each was willing to do. I even gave an alternative. I don't see anywhere where I'm siding with either side so I don't need comments like this. Period end of discussion.

I wasn't exactly directing it to you... I am bored and having fun.

Maybe if the pro-Hezbollahi people came out I would go pick on them but they are in hiding.