37% of Republicans like Putin

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Phokus

Lifer
Nov 20, 1999
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I remember when there started to be reports about Putin assassinating journalists who reported negative things about putin (this was back during the Bush years, IIRC) that i heard some conservatives saying they like some aspects of Putin.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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No they aren't. They are libertarian idealists. At least get that right.

And what about Soros? He's just a good guy who happens to be a billionaire? I think he does what he does out of idealism and the experience of being a refugee as a young person.

And what about Repubs' craving for a Strong! Leader! like Vlad?
 

desura

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Mar 22, 2013
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And what about Repubs' craving for a Strong! Leader! like Vlad?

I didn't support Trump, but my opinion is that most Trump supporters are not the media stereotype. What I am finding more disturbing lately is how...contemptuous the Democrats became over the past few years.

You still didn't answer about Soros. I personally don't have anything against either Soros or Koch, but you ought to be consistent here.
 

sportage

Lifer
Feb 1, 2008
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So after just having learned Spanish I suppose now we all have to learn Russian?
В прошлом месяце
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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I didn't support Trump, but my opinion is that most Trump supporters are not the media stereotype. What I am finding more disturbing lately is how...contemptuous the Democrats became over the past few years.

You still didn't answer about Soros. I personally don't have anything against either Soros or Koch, but you ought to be consistent here.

I'm not interested in following you off topic any further than we've already been.

The whole leadership cult following of Trump, Putin & other European figures (past & present) is actually explained by science-

http://patternsthatconnect.blogspot.com/2006/03/rightwing-authoritarianism-and.html

I'm confident that Trump followers would generally score high along with those of Putin, LePen & other European right wing nationalists.

It's the kind of mindset expressed by a 2010 Texas primary voter about Rick Perry- "It takes balls to execute an innocent man"
 

desura

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Mar 22, 2013
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I'm not interested in following you off topic any further than we've already been.

The whole leadership cult following of Trump, Putin & other European figures (past & present) is actually explained by science-

http://patternsthatconnect.blogspot.com/2006/03/rightwing-authoritarianism-and.html

I'm confident that Trump followers would generally score high along with those of Putin, LePen & other European right wing nationalists.

It's the kind of mindset expressed by a 2010 Texas primary voter about Rick Perry- "It takes balls to execute an innocent man"

I wouldn't quite call that science. I would call it advocacy dressed up in academic language. I'd have to take a look at how they word the questionnaire.

Anyways, most Trump supporters I know don't really have an opinion on Putin. Like, I do read the National Review occasionally and no one on there is saying that Putin is a great guy. The only thing I've noticed is really how much the establishment media demonizes Putin. Like, I've seen Rachel Maddow demonize Putin and talk about how we must defend the Baltic states--she's supposedly this great liberal icon and yet she is effectively advocating war. So I mean, given how little adoration I see of Putin and how much demonization I see, I think the left and the establishment of Washington are the ones who have gone too far in their hatred of Putin.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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I wouldn't quite call that science. I would call it advocacy dressed up in academic language. I'd have to take a look at how they word the questionnaire.

Anyways, most Trump supporters I know don't really have an opinion on Putin. Like, I do read the National Review occasionally and no one on there is saying that Putin is a great guy. The only thing I've noticed is really how much the establishment media demonizes Putin. Like, I've seen Rachel Maddow demonize Putin and talk about how we must defend the Baltic states--she's supposedly this great liberal icon and yet she is effectively advocating war. So I mean, given how little adoration I see of Putin and how much demonization I see, I think the left and the establishment of Washington are the ones who have gone too far in their hatred of Putin.

Defending the Baltic states is advocating war? Really?

It would only be war if they were attacked, I suspect. I don't think they or NATO will start shooting anytime RSN.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
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Did you read the article?

My way of seeing it is that the aggressive social liberalism of HRC makes relations with Russia worse in a completely unnecessary way. This is one of the few areas where I'm glad she is not president.

So how far back do we have to roll back social liberalism so you can appease Putin? Maybe start by killing gay marriage? How about support conversion therapy for all those poor misguided gays?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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I do have a higher opinion of Putin than our current Muslim President.
What, his refugee policy? European leaders have done much the same, just ask Germany. Merkel isn't Muslim, just stupid.
His foreign policy? He handed that over to Clinton to finish what Bush started in tearing apart the Middle East.

His formative years as a Muslim in Indonesia? Look, generically speaking Democrats have sympathies and soft spots for encouraging the growth of one religion above all others, but that doesn't mean they are Muslim. Just makes them, like Merkel, stupid. It goes back to identity politics and finding minority groups to rally to topple our current system. It goes back to some mythical ethos that America must forever be a land of new immigrants, without a culture or identity of its own. You'll find much of those ideals in their speech and their policy. Specifically, Obama is very much a victim of our partisan political system, but underneath it all he has shown some honest tendencies that I can respect as truly American. Do not disparage him by grasping at straws.

If you think you can make the case for your... argument, then by all means start a thread on it.
Otherwise the forum will find it quite incredulous and treat it, and you, with open hostility.
And... Putin, really? By such measure you'd envy the fat little Armadillidiidae ruling North Korea with an iron fist.
Being a dictator does not make a person a man.
 

desura

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So how far back do we have to roll back social liberalism so you can appease Putin? Maybe start by killing gay marriage? How about support conversion therapy for all those poor misguided gays?

Not at all. What the USA does in its own territory is its own business. What the USA should not do is preach a particular version of gay rights to Russia and its neighbors. It should not bring domestic culture war conflicts over to international affairs.
 

desura

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Defending the Baltic states is advocating war? Really?

It would only be war if they were attacked, I suspect. I don't think they or NATO will start shooting anytime RSN.

The way she put it, we were honor bound to protect them, while she doesn't question the underlying alliance. The Chomsky Left would have made sure to question NATO expansion, and yet Maddow's corporate Left does not. this is curious. Overlooking this crucial detail makes me question her editorial independence, and overall MSNBC's objectivity. They are the FoxNews of the Left.
 

Jhhnn

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The way she put it, we were honor bound to protect them, while she doesn't question the underlying alliance. The Chomsky Left would have made sure to question NATO expansion, and yet Maddow's corporate Left does not. this is curious. Overlooking this crucial detail makes me question her editorial independence, and overall MSNBC's objectivity. They are the FoxNews of the Left.

I have no idea what the "Chomsky Left" is in your mind or what they'd say if they were real.

Nobody is advocating the dismantling of NATO other than the Russians. The only point in questioning the alliance is to allow for Russian hegemony.
 

desura

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I have no idea what the "Chomsky Left" is in your mind or what they'd say if they were real.

Nobody is advocating the dismantling of NATO other than the Russians. The only point in questioning the alliance is to allow for Russian hegemony.

Unraveling commitments to Eastern Europe is not dismantling NATO. NATO should be France, Germany, UK, Poland...probably (which once was Warsaw Pact). Norway. Italy, Spain, Turkey, Greece.

It should never contain Ukraine, that much is obvious. It really shouldn't contain the Baltic states, not when they are so very close to major Russian cities.

Really, there are a lot of people saying that NATO expansion wasn't really well thought out, that it was an emotional decision. I mean, extending NATO to the Baltics enhanced NATO security...how, exactly? From my view, all it did was embolden petty local nationalists who could use someone else's military to taunt Russia over petty historical grievances. The local nationalists win, and we gain...nothing.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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What, his refugee policy? European leaders have done much the same, just ask Germany. Merkel isn't Muslim, just stupid.
His foreign policy? He handed that over to Clinton to finish what Bush started in tearing apart the Middle East.

His formative years as a Muslim in Indonesia? Look, generically speaking Democrats have sympathies and soft spots for encouraging the growth of one religion above all others, but that doesn't mean they are Muslim. Just makes them, like Merkel, stupid. It goes back to identity politics and finding minority groups to rally to topple our current system. It goes back to some mythical ethos that America must forever be a land of new immigrants, without a culture or identity of its own. You'll find much of those ideals in their speech and their policy. Specifically, Obama is very much a victim of our partisan political system, but underneath it all he has shown some honest tendencies that I can respect as truly American. Do not disparage him by grasping at straws.

If you think you can make the case for your... argument, then by all means start a thread on it.
Otherwise the forum will find it quite incredulous and treat it, and you, with open hostility.
And... Putin, really? By such measure you'd envy the fat little Armadillidiidae ruling North Korea with an iron fist.
Being a dictator does not make a person a man.

I would tend to agree accepting pluralism in a popularity contest where half the voters think of theirs as a white country is stupid. OTOH I'm curious what experiences have made you believe someone to the right of you has much capacity for creating coherent arguments. That is not rhetorical.
 

thraashman

Lifer
Apr 10, 2000
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Of course Republicans love Putin. He's a totalitarian, homophobic, nationalistic, anti free press war mongering constant liar. He's pretty much a perfect Republican.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Unraveling commitments to Eastern Europe is not dismantling NATO. NATO should be France, Germany, UK, Poland...probably (which once was Warsaw Pact). Norway. Italy, Spain, Turkey, Greece.

It should never contain Ukraine, that much is obvious. It really shouldn't contain the Baltic states, not when they are so very close to major Russian cities.

Really, there are a lot of people saying that NATO expansion wasn't really well thought out, that it was an emotional decision. I mean, extending NATO to the Baltics enhanced NATO security...how, exactly? From my view, all it did was embolden petty local nationalists who could use someone else's military to taunt Russia over petty historical grievances. The local nationalists win, and we gain...nothing.


You are correct Russia should have an unfettered ability to tell its neighbors what to do, when to cough up territory to it, become economic vassal states etc. How dare neighbors want protection from that and how dare NATO help protect European countries who want the freedom to choose their own destiny.
 

vampirefo

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Of course Republicans love Putin. He's a totalitarian, homophobic, nationalistic, anti free press war mongering constant liar. He's pretty much a perfect Republican.
He is better than Obama, or any other useless Democrat.

But wait I have great news!!!

Hillary isn't president nor will she ever be!!!!!

Sent from my R1 HD using Tapatalk
 

desura

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Mar 22, 2013
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You are correct Russia should have an unfettered ability to tell its neighbors what to do, when to cough up territory to it, become economic vassal states etc. How dare neighbors want protection from that and how dare NATO help protect European countries who want the freedom to choose their own destiny.

Considering that neither you or I can understand Russian, we probably don't have the best understanding of what is really happening there. It is their fight and their history. It isn't worth risking American prosperity so some petty nationalist can get revenge. Russia does have nuclear weapons, don't forget, and some very good military hardware.

Think of it this way, how would you respond if Russia started assisting the BLM movement? There is definitely repression going on and historical injustice that BLM is trying to address, and why shouldn't Russia get involved in this issue of universal human rights?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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He is better than Obama, or any other useless Democrat.

But wait I have great news!!!

Hillary isn't president nor will she ever be!!!!!

Sent from my R1 HD using Tapatalk
You people had a bird over Castro but Putin is such a great guy? You do know their M.O. is the same
 
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