3800+ X2 @ 2600mhz on Stock Voltage...

[bjc112]

I got done playing 2 hours of Battlefield 2. And lots of .NET programming. It is definitely stable. No need to run prime.

Horrible reasoning..

Run Dual Prime and see where you max out at.. You probably have a stable 2.7ghz in there..

 

[ElTorrente]

I could post and boot windows very high- probably close to at 3000mhz. No way prime95 would work though. THAT is the test of whether or not your setup can do things normal computers should be able to do- you know: count and add and round numbers accurately, and silly stuff like that.

 

[Gronich]

Originally posted by: chinkgai

Originally posted by: Gronich

Originally posted by: formulav8
Also, I did mess around with 2.7ghz for a few minutes but after awhile its a NO GO. It really starts to warm up at that speed too.

2.6ghz is plenty fine for me anyways. I probably won't even keep it that high. 2.4ghz will do me just fine. It is equal or really even a bit better than the 3400+ (2.4ghz) s754 Newcastle I have in Single threads and really put it to shame in multiple threads. Yeps, should suit me just fine


Jason

Just for your interest, I'm running the same core revision as you JH-E6 (Manchester/Toledo?).

X2 3800+ 2.8Ghz@1.4v Prime stable 13hours+

So, all things being equal, I think there should be a little more in your chip @ 1.4volts.

dude, i think you've posted up this picture several times but you still have NOT posted up a dual prime stable pic???

The dual prime stable piccies I have seen didn't seem to contain any times in them so I didn't feel it was relevant. But I just noticed bjc112 pic with the Task manager times...If you feel it is of interest to everyone I will run prime95 tomorrow and post the piccies.

 

[formulav8]

OK I will do some Priming overnight tonite or something. I just know that Super PI has found instabilitys where-as Prime didn't. Really, I just care about real world stability. I don't never use Prime 95 or Super PI. So, to me, for my computer usage it is rock stable. But evidentally, others think differently than I do. So, I will do some Priming when I get the chance.



Jason

 

[formulav8]

And, do to heat building up, 2.7ghz will not get stable even at 1.4v. I need a better cooler than this Thermalright hybrid hsf. I may just try the stock hsf but its probably worse since it doesn't seem to have any copper at all on it. I am going to try to talk my wife into letting me get a basic watercooling kit. I will see I guess


Edit: How do I run dual Primes?? I try to load 2x and it just kills one of them and only runs 1x. I am going to run 1x Prime and 1x Super PI. I know Super PI is a stress monster and will find any stabilitys too.

Jason

 

[IceMole]

Seems this stepping is the current one being shipped out from ZZF. I got mine yesteday, same stepping. I've noticed this thing HATES overclocking from windows. Over at [ H] a guy has the same stepping doing 2.9 @ 1.57v dual prime stable. I'm at 2.6 @ 1.41v for 8 hrs so far. These suckers can heat up though, dual prime with my XP90 gives me 52C, using the new S&M dual full load gives me 59C!

Try using this and see what your max temp is:
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83

mine is 67C

 

[imported_Kensai]

:beer:

 

[formulav8]

I copyied the info to the clipboard and this is what it gave me:

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2600.11 (260.01 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 69C

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83


I don't see where it says what the actual cpu temp is??

Edit: I see what you are talking about now. As you can see, mine says 69C. So, in theory, it could be a better ocer than yours then


Jason

Originally posted by: IceMole
Seems this stepping is the current one being shipped out from ZZF. I got mine yesteday, same stepping. I've noticed this thing HATES overclocking from windows. Over at [ H] a guy has the same stepping doing 2.9 @ 1.57v dual prime stable. I'm at 2.6 @ 1.41v for 8 hrs so far. These suckers can heat up though, dual prime with my XP90 gives me 52C, using the new S&M dual full load gives me 59C!

Try using this and see what your max temp is:
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83

mine is 67C

 

[ncage]

Originally posted by: IceMole
Seems this stepping is the current one being shipped out from ZZF. I got mine yesteday, same stepping. I've noticed this thing HATES overclocking from windows. Over at [ H] a guy has the same stepping doing 2.9 @ 1.57v dual prime stable. I'm at 2.6 @ 1.41v for 8 hrs so far. These suckers can heat up though, dual prime with my XP90 gives me 52C, using the new S&M dual full load gives me 59C!

Try using this and see what your max temp is:
http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83

mine is 67C

I don't know if your saying this is good or bad. For me this is GREAT. Ya 2.9 would even be better but the asrock uli boards can't go to 1.57. You are getting something as fast or faster than the 4800+ which is $1000 for about $350. To me thats awesome. I expected things to heat up at 2.6 but if you raise the voltage things are going to heat up even more. I will probably get a thermaltake big typhoon after i get the processor and hopefully i can hit 2.7. I guess if your picky and want to hit 2.9 maybe you ought to get an Epox/DFI nforce4 board instead of this one but then you will have to go with a pci-e video card and you will most likely have to get expensive ram. Not worth the cost for me...2.6-2.7 i will definily be happy with. I have a socket 754 system with a 3000+ now which is stable only to 2250. I have the lower the bus down to 2200 when i use dvd riping programs like dvd decryptor because my asus dvd drive will lock up though.

Ncage

 

[formulav8]

I am thinking the same way. Hard to beat getting 4800+ x2 performance from a $350 chip. 2.6ghz is not to shabby to me. I am pretty sure without voltage higher than 1.4v I will NOT do 2.7ghz fully stable. So, unless Asrock updates the bios with better vCore options, I will be stuck at 2.6ghz or need to get water cooling to see if that will make 2.7ghz stable. But, I would be perfectly content with 2.6ghz for quite awhile


Jason

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: formulav8
I copyied the info to the clipboard and this is what it gave me:

CPU Information (CPU #1):
Standard CPUID: Family: F, Model: 3, Stepping: 2
Extended CPUID: Family: F, Model: 23, Stepping: 2
CPUID String: 20F32
Processor APIC: 0
Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (Toledo)
CPU Speed: 2600.11 (260.01 x 10.0)
Revision: JH9-E6
Platform: Socket 939
Startup VCore: 1.350v
Maximum Case Temperature = 69C

Written by: Arthur Liberman.
Idea by: Petr Koc.
More info at: http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83


I don't see where it says what the actual cpu temp is??

Edit: I see what you are talking about now. As you can see, mine says 69C. So, in theory, it could be a better ocer than yours then

according to that, 69c would be your max cpu temp. the "case" refers to under the IHS of the chip. how accurate it is is arguable but at least it reads the core correctly (toledo)

 

[formulav8]

I was looking at some stats and my fsb is 2x1040 or 2080mhz fsb. I remember hardly being able to get NF3 boards past 1010mhz much less 1040mhz. So, this ULI chipset is not to shabby at all


Jason

 

[ncage]

Hey Jason/Forumula8 our usage is pretty much the same i think. I am a programmer. Mostly using .Net now. I do prefer c# but where i work the use vb.net so i have to deal. I run lots of virtual machines usually (i need a lot of ram) and do a lot of multiprocessing/security programming. If i was a gamer i wouldn't have went with an X2 but since i do so many things at once and the way i use my system i have needed a dual core/dual processor system for awhile. I noticed this since you started the thread and thought it was interesting.

how is dual core treating you? You seeing a big difference overall and im not talking benchmarks.

 

[formulav8]

Hi, It does look like our usages are similar. I am about 50% multiple thread usage and 50% single thread usage. Especially with certain programming, ex: multiple instances of .NET runnings and such there are HUGE increases. I like to do 2003 and 2005 Beta2 at the same time to check out different changes and such and there are very nice increases in those area's. For gaming of course, not any kind of difference. Although, even single thread performance is higher than the 3400+ Newcastle I have. 2.6ghz Single thread speed and dual channel, along with the venice core enhancments, makes the single thread performance alittle faster. But in certain situations, like doing ripping and encoding, and various programming situations, the dual core upgrade was WELL worth it! Hopefully you will get the joy of doing multiple stuff at the same time as I do now


JAson

 

[Shimmishim]

the best way to deal with heat is to remove the IHS.

i hear people gain overclock due to the decrease in heat.

i recently removed the IHS from my SD and i dropped 7-8C's load which is pretty significant.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
the best way to deal with heat is to remove the IHS.

i hear people gain overclock due to the decrease in heat.

i recently removed the IHS from my SD and i dropped 7-8C's load which is pretty significant.

Any guide/tips to removing it safely?

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Shimmishim
the best way to deal with heat is to remove the IHS.

i hear people gain overclock due to the decrease in heat.

i recently removed the IHS from my SD and i dropped 7-8C's load which is pretty significant.

Any guide/tips to removing it safely?

Text

 

[formulav8]

I have been thinking about removing the IHS but my wife would KILL me if I messed it up. So, That thought will probably keep me at bay


Jason

 

[ncage]

Ya i don't think i would ever do anything like that unless it was a cheap processor. It has to be on there for a reason. If amd could lower all their cpu temps by removing it why don't you think they would do it.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Gronich

Originally posted by: chinkgai

Originally posted by: Gronich

Originally posted by: formulav8
Also, I did mess around with 2.7ghz for a few minutes but after awhile its a NO GO. It really starts to warm up at that speed too.

2.6ghz is plenty fine for me anyways. I probably won't even keep it that high. 2.4ghz will do me just fine. It is equal or really even a bit better than the 3400+ (2.4ghz) s754 Newcastle I have in Single threads and really put it to shame in multiple threads. Yeps, should suit me just fine


Jason

Just for your interest, I'm running the same core revision as you JH-E6 (Manchester/Toledo?).

X2 3800+ 2.8Ghz@1.4v Prime stable 13hours+

So, all things being equal, I think there should be a little more in your chip @ 1.4volts.

dude, i think you've posted up this picture several times but you still have NOT posted up a dual prime stable pic???

The dual prime stable piccies I have seen didn't seem to contain any times in them so I didn't feel it was relevant. But I just noticed bjc112 pic with the Task manager times...If you feel it is of interest to everyone I will run prime95 tomorrow and post the piccies.

Well heres a pic for the skeptics..

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/bjc112/x2600PRIMEstable.JPG

 

[bjc112]

TO run dual Prime, copy your Prime 95 folder in Program Files, and paste it in there or on the desk top..

Run the prime .exe from both folders.

Go to task manager -> set affinity to CPU 0 and 1

Run Small FFT, or Large FFT

But run the same ones..

Post screen shot..

Prime might have you suprised how UNSTABLE your machine really is!

 

[chinkgai]

i wasnt skeptic of you, you're a lifer...you wouldnt spew posts that were garbage...not intentionally anyways i would think

 

[chinkgai]

oh btw, it would be nice if you stopped it so we know how long it ran for...like this:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/chinkgai/primeshot2894.JPG

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: chinkgai
oh btw, it would be nice if you stopped it so we know how long it ran for...like this:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/chinkgai/primeshot2894.JPG

Looks at task manager.

 

[bjc112]

That looks like the BLEND test..

Ewwwwwwwwwwww

Blend test is weak, run small or Large FFT'S!