3870 X2 Crossfire

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Blacklash
I am guessing they used all very high like when Tri-SLi was tested PC Perspective

http://img134.imageshack.us/im...crysis1280vhbarqm1.jpg

Source-
http://www.pcper.com/article.p...495&type=expert&pid=12

I still don't really know if Crysis is just an absolute beastly demanding engine, or just not coded the best it could have been. :::sigh:::
Well, as long as I can play it on my GTS, I'm emotionally ok with it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

i think it is the right thing to do as the game pushes visual limits than any other game, there is no point in testing a card with an old game where it is bound to perfom fairly well. Testing DX10 games would be perfect for the current generation.

And not only Crysis, new games like Alan Wake seem push the visual limits to it's peak. So it would make sense to test these games to find out the *true* potential of a graphics card.

 

[Aberforth]

keysplayr2003, what is being labeled? is that like a ban or something? if yes, go ahead and do it. I honestly don't care since I don't have anything to lose here, one less member whats the difference, you guys can talk more FUD in peace then.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
keysplayr2003, what is being labeled? is that like a ban or something? if yes, go ahead and do it. I honestly don't care since I don't have anything to lose here, one less member whats the difference, you guys can talk more FUD in peace then.

He means your a troll or a fanboy. Your giving the 9800GX2 the benefit of the doubt by saying it doesn't have the optimized drivers for that card series but yet when it comes to the competitors product who happens to be in the same exact situation you play it off saying it won't matter it won't be any better, maybe 5FPS at most.

As for the FUD your the one spreading it by spreading around information like that.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

:Q

Wow, you're the last person I expected to see in here. I guess they removed your ban?

 

[Aberforth]

nvm

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

We'll I'll be damned!! Welcome Back Rollo!!

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: CP5670

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

:Q

Wow, you're the last person I expected to see in here. I guess they removed your ban?

LOL, yeah, for a second I thought I opened a 2 year old thread or something.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: CP5670

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

:Q

Wow, you're the last person I expected to see in here. I guess they removed your ban?

LOL, yeah, for a second I thought I opened a 2 year old thread or something.

Me too, I also had the same perception. Guys, bear in mind that Crysis doesn't even work with Crossfire, how can we expect a performance boost with a card which doesn't even have drivers officialy yet and with no crossfire support, it will run as a HD 3870 single at best.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

Probably will end with the same fate as the original Far Cry engine, 0 games based on that engine.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

We'll I'll be damned!! Welcome Back Rollo!!

:beer:

 

[ja1484]

This has got to be the most useless thread in a long damn time. What is the point of testing any piece of hardware without officially released drivers?

Stop. Don't answer, that was rhetorical. I know the replies that will be bandied about in answer to that. Don't waste your time - I already know the arguments for it, and they're still stupid, even if some of you like them.

It's like using software in alpha. You're not looking at anything remotely like a finished product.

Ridiculous.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

:shocked:

dejavu'...





seriously, stop making performance assumptions based on crysis, an engine optimized for hardware that will come out in 2010, and most of all stop making assumptions based on an early review where they didn't even use proper drivers. drivers already play a pretty heavy role in single gpu cards, but when it comes to dual gpu cards, without proper drivers you might as well be running a geforce 2 PCI card, it might be faster.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

We'll I'll be damned!! Welcome Back Rollo!!

Thanks ol' buddy- good to be back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXaZmY52gHM


On topic- there are better reasons to be skeptical of the the 3870X2, the fact that on games that don't scale with CF you've got a $400+ card with 3870 performance chief among them, I just don't think Crysis is the definition of a good card.

(although that seems to be the current fashion)

I think Crysis is just one of those games it's going to take the hardware a while to catch up to. Remember when FEAR came out and nothing but high end SLi could run it?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

Probably will end with the same fate as the original Far Cry engine, 0 games based on that engine.

Perhaps- but you have to admit they're both nice engines and fun games!

 

[Nemesis 1]

I personnally think the 3870x2 is a great card. The only problem I have is with both NV and ATI . These high end cards don't support DX10.1 . ATI has done a good job of bringing power and heat under control .

I am getting the 3970x2 but I well wait for good water blocks. Heres a good thread on this subject with some rely good reviews. Crysisy is made for and with money NV put into the game. ATI. drivers well get better.

Remember how everyone said XS wouldn't scale as well as SLi / Just a myth.

Forgot to add link.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=174212

 

[Nemesis 1]

Rollo great to see ya back . Ready to go at it. I sure am. Missed ya!

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I personnally think the 3870x2 is a great card. The only problem I have is with both NV and ATI . These high end cards don't support DX10.1 . ATI has done a good job of bringing power and heat under control .

I am getting the 3970x2 but I well wait for good water blocks. Heres a good thread on this subject with some rely good reviews. Crysisy is made for and with money NV put into the game. ATI. drivers well get better.

Remember how everyone said XS wouldn't scale as well as SLi / Just a myth.

Forgot to add link.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=174212

All the HD 3000 series does support DX10.1, although I doubt it will ever matter. nVidia is downplaying DX10.1 and AMD likes to boast about supporting it, but I don't think DX10.1 will ever become important in actual games - DX10 adoption is slow and DX11 will probably be here in late 2009.

Despite some people not liking it, multi-GPU cards are the future. These graphics cards are growing too fast to be kept at a reasonable die size - transistor density close to doubles every 2 years, but the number of transistors in GPUs within a 2 year period is 2-3X. Look at the G71, 90nm and 196mm^2, G92 is 65nm and ~330mm^2.

The good thing is that these multi-GPU cards coming up should no longer rely on software for scaling but be implemented in hardware. We'll see how everything pans out with R700, but regardless what happens, I guarantee you that high-end will be multi-GPU in the future.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

Good to see you back, Rollo

...but, I disagree with you here. The fact that the game pretty much flattens every setup makes it the perfect benchmark. Whether Crysis is coded well or not, or regardless of the developers' intentions with the game, whatever card comes out that can truly play Crysis is going to rock on everything else out now as well. All Crytek is saying is, "the bar has been raised".

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

Good to see you back, Rollo

...but, I disagree with you here. The fact that the game pretty much flattens every setup makes it the perfect benchmark. Whether Crysis is coded well or not, or regardless of the developers' intentions with the game, whatever card comes out that can truly play Crysis is going to rock on everything else out now as well. All Crytek is saying is, "the bar has been raised".

You have a point there, I agree.

 

[BFG10K]

On topic- there are better reasons to be skeptical of the the 3870X2, the fact that on games that don't scale with CF you've got a $400+ card with 3870 performance chief among them,

Much like tri/quad SLI. In fact much like SLI/Crossfire in general.

You're running tri-SLI yet in most games outside of the commonly cherry-picked ones tri-SLI is the same speed or even slower than regular SLI, and I?ll bet tri-SLI costs a hell of a lot more than a single 3870 X2.

Then there's the issue of driver support and we know nVidia is generally piss-poor in that department. If they can't even program one GPU correctly what chance do they have of correctly synchronizing three of them?

 

[Gillbot]

I'll keep my 7900GS, I just can't see spending $200+ on a vid card.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Much like tri/quad SLI. In fact much like SLI/Crossfire in general.
You're running tri-SLI yet in most games outside of the commonly cherry-picked ones tri-SLI is the same speed or even slower than regular SLI, and I?ll bet tri-SLI costs a hell of a lot more than a single 3870 X2.

There are some differences worth considering:
1. NVIDIA drivers allow the user to create or edit profiles, which minimizes the "no scaling" issue.
2. The single 3870's performance is far below single 8800GTX performance due to it's shader resolve AA, VLIW shader arc inefficiency, and texture fill rate deficiency. Being "limited" to a single GTX is a better place to be.
3. When you have multiple cards, as opposed to 3870X2, you have flexibility of use and disposal. For example, a person with two GTXs could keep one to power his secondary rig when next gen comes out, and sell the other to defray costs. He/she could make that sale in advance of the release of next gen at higher sale price, while using the remaining card. A 3870X2 owner has an all or nothing situation.

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Then there's the issue of driver support and we know nVidia is generally piss-poor in that department. If they can't even program one GPU correctly what chance do they have of correctly synchronizing three of them?

We don't "know NVIDIA has piss poor driver support" BFG. Since Vista has launched, I've used a FX-60/NF4/8800GTX SLi rig, a E6700/680i/8800GTX SLi rig/ a QX6700/780i/3 way SLi rig, and a E6850/680i/8800Ultra rig. On these computers I've used/am using Vista Home Premium, Vista 32 Ultimate, Vista 64 Ultimate, and Vista Enterprise.

That's a lot of hardware combinations and every version of Vista.

You know what my "driver issues" have been? Some problems with SLi and Crysis, and occasional stops in Unreal engine games.

You're too unforgiving IMO- you were ready to crucify them over the the patch in Serious Sam 1 not working, and that game is so old there aren't many copies left where the foil in the cd hasn't oxidized.

You can't expect PC gaming to be like console gaming, and I can link you to reviews that say NVIDIA's drivers are better than the competitions. (and have)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Aberforth
there you go: http://www.techpowerup.com/?50695 and http://www.tomshardware.com/cn/237,news-237.html

Crysis: 16 frames @ 1280 :roll:

sure with optimized drivers you might want to add 5 more frames to it.

I don't think you can use Crysis performance as the measure of "success" for any current graphics card.

To me it looks like the designers wanted to show us what could be done, or just wanted to code a forward thinking enough engine to ensure years of licenses.

Probably will end with the same fate as the original Far Cry engine, 0 games based on that engine.

Perhaps- but you have to admit they're both nice engines and fun games!

i am not terribly interested in this thread ... but welcome back
:thumbsup:

... and it appears that not all gamers feel they are such fun games nor are they "nice engines" until a couple of years after they are released