3870XT

[AzN]

We know Nvidia's AA is a hack in Bioshock or Unreal 3 in dx9. Officially it's not supposed to work. Now I wish AMD did the hack too but I don't think I can bash on AMD for that.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Syntax Error

2) Most games...if not most of the best games are based off and made for Nvidia

So all the advertisement and "The way it's meant to be played" crap when you launched your game makes it true, right? :roll:

of course not. but it means the game will work better for nvidia cards vs the same kidna of ati card...

ever see Half-life benchmarks for ATI cards compared to superior nvidia cards? there is some truth in it.

No it doesn't mean the game will work better for Nvidia. It just means Nvidia paid them to advertise in their games. Marketing at it's finest. You actually believed what the advertisement told you.

Yes, I know thats is what i meant in regard to ATI endorsing Half-life. But why is it that ATI cards always seem to do better on Half-life vs other test performed? I don't know..maybe its just me...but it always seems like ATI cards closes the gap vs Nvidia cards when it comes ot Half-life....for instance...if nvidia is scoring 15% better on all tests...expect for on half-life were nvidia only does 7% better...idk maybe its just me...but that kinda of theme seems to show up a lot

You sure? :laugh:

That's not true. Last time I checked 8800gtx is faster than 2900xt in half life episode 2. Some games tend to favor ATI or Nvidia cards because of architecture not because of endorsements.

ATI cards performance with Unreal 3 or bioshock is great. 2900xt surpassing 8800gts it's direct competing card but it's endorsed by Nvidia "it's meant to be played".

Side Note: I wasnt implying the endorsements were causing certain games to run better for ATI or nvidia but rather the development team used that companies cards to build/optimize the game on....but that was more of a guess than anything. Regardless, endorsement of course isn't going to determine which games run on which card better.

3 years ago was I AMD/ATI fan...today I am Nvidia/Intel...for whatever personal reasons/experiences.

Well you seemed to think prior that is why few people were quoting what you said.

Personally I'm a fan of whoever gives me the best performance for the money. That has to include how much $$$, stability, performance, heat, power consumption. In that order.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Syntax Error

2) Most games...if not most of the best games are based off and made for Nvidia

So all the advertisement and "The way it's meant to be played" crap when you launched your game makes it true, right? :roll:

of course not. but it means the game will work better for nvidia cards vs the same kidna of ati card...

ever see Half-life benchmarks for ATI cards compared to superior nvidia cards? there is some truth in it.

No it doesn't mean the game will work better for Nvidia. It just means Nvidia paid them to advertise in their games. Marketing at it's finest. You actually believed what the advertisement told you.

Yes, I know thats is what i meant in regard to ATI endorsing Half-life. But why is it that ATI cards always seem to do better on Half-life vs other test performed? I don't know..maybe its just me...but it always seems like ATI cards closes the gap vs Nvidia cards when it comes ot Half-life....for instance...if nvidia is scoring 15% better on all tests...expect for on half-life were nvidia only does 7% better...idk maybe its just me...but that kinda of theme seems to show up a lot

You sure? :laugh:

That's not true. Last time I checked 8800gtx is faster than 2900xt in half life episode 2. Some games tend to favor ATI or Nvidia cards because of architecture not because of endorsements.

ATI cards performance with Unreal 3 or bioshock is great. 2900xt surpassing 8800gts it's direct competing card but it's endorsed by Nvidia "it's meant to be played".

Side Note: I wasnt implying the endorsements were causing certain games to run better for ATI or nvidia but rather the development team used that companies cards to build/optimize the game on....but that was more of a guess than anything. Regardless, endorsement of course isn't going to determine which games run on which card better.

3 years ago was I AMD/ATI fan...today I am Nvidia/Intel...for whatever personal reasons/experiences.

Well you seemed to think prior that is why few people were quoting what you said.

Personally I'm a fan of whoever gives me the best performance for the money. That has to include how much $$$, stability, performance, heat, power consumption. In that order.

You know, if a company pays a developer to work extra hard on their card, gives them sample cards, and/or sends them some code / examples / info on how to correctly program things to work better with their cards they are essentially doing good things on your (the customer's) behalf.
IF they really are doing anything like that (which means the endorsement = improvement notion is not conincidental) then I see nothing wrong with it.
As long as they aren't just paying them to remove optimizations for the competitor's cards... that makes everyone loose. But I honestly don't think they would do that, and it's too hard to get away with something like that anyways...






@keysplayr2003. Thank you, and don't worry about it, we all have them now and then.

 

[etech]

Won't be long.

http://www.buy.com/prod/HD-387...loc/101/206274156.html
http://www.buy.com/prod/HD_385...loc/273/206274155.html

I'm hoping the 3870 comes down a little, that's more then what I was hoping it would be.

 

[taltamir]

thats... expensive! well, actually it all depends on how it performs compared to the GT.

 

[ronnn]

That is expensive. Does make you wonder about performance or availability.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Still cheaper than current 8800GTs, unless you get lucky or use 10% off coupon at BB. Let's just hope they perform well.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: Syntax Error

2) Most games...if not most of the best games are based off and made for Nvidia

So all the advertisement and "The way it's meant to be played" crap when you launched your game makes it true, right? :roll:

of course not. but it means the game will work better for nvidia cards vs the same kidna of ati card...

ever see Half-life benchmarks for ATI cards compared to superior nvidia cards? there is some truth in it.

No it doesn't mean the game will work better for Nvidia. It just means Nvidia paid them to advertise in their games. Marketing at it's finest. You actually believed what the advertisement told you.

Yes, I know thats is what i meant in regard to ATI endorsing Half-life. But why is it that ATI cards always seem to do better on Half-life vs other test performed? I don't know..maybe its just me...but it always seems like ATI cards closes the gap vs Nvidia cards when it comes ot Half-life....for instance...if nvidia is scoring 15% better on all tests...expect for on half-life were nvidia only does 7% better...idk maybe its just me...but that kinda of theme seems to show up a lot

You sure? :laugh:

That's not true. Last time I checked 8800gtx is faster than 2900xt in half life episode 2. Some games tend to favor ATI or Nvidia cards because of architecture not because of endorsements.

ATI cards performance with Unreal 3 or bioshock is great. 2900xt surpassing 8800gts it's direct competing card but it's endorsed by Nvidia "it's meant to be played".

Side Note: I wasnt implying the endorsements were causing certain games to run better for ATI or nvidia but rather the development team used that companies cards to build/optimize the game on....but that was more of a guess than anything. Regardless, endorsement of course isn't going to determine which games run on which card better.

3 years ago was I AMD/ATI fan...today I am Nvidia/Intel...for whatever personal reasons/experiences.

Well you seemed to think prior that is why few people were quoting what you said.

Personally I'm a fan of whoever gives me the best performance for the money. That has to include how much $$$, stability, performance, heat, power consumption. In that order.

don't forget noise! a big advantage of 8800gts over 2900xt was noise, but that looks like it might get reversed with 8800gt/3870.

 

[ronnn]

For me the most interesting part is that Nvidia made a bit of a limp launch to beat these to the market. I assume that there is more here than is readily apparent at this time. May be the quad gpu thing.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

don't forget noise! a big advantage of 8800gts over 2900xt was noise, but that looks like it might get reversed with 8800gt/3870.

How quiet will HD3870 be? I mean that 8800 GT is as quiet as 8800 GTS (if you don't count those few first seconds when you turn your computer on)

http://www.techreport.com/r.x/...-8800gt/noise-load.gif

 

[bryanW1995]

I read that 3870 and 3850 are nearly silent. many 8800gt owners have mentioned that the single slot fan is much louder than their 8800gts was. It makes sense, remember the rumors a few months ago about nvidia bumping up clocks on the 8800gt? maybe if you're at base 600/900 the single slot is fine, but when you creep up to 700+ it gets louder.

 

[Rusin]

That's weird.. in tests 8800 GT is as silent as 8800 GTS or even more silent.

 

[bryanW1995]

ok, I don't remember where I've read it but now I'm going to have to find my sources. Why don't you find yours too and we can compare

 

[AzN]

8800gt is considerably louder than 8800gts on all the reviews I saw.

 

[ronnn]

I think if you have a cool case the 8800gt doesn't spin up. Also read a thread (likely fud) that some 8800gt's were not spinning up and having artifacts. As I said, sounded like fud to me.

 

[bryanW1995]

well, here's one on the vrzone site:

its cooler than the gt for sure and much quieter... stock was about 40+ deg in aircon room

stock for 3850 was 30 deg i was abit shocked at first haha

http://forums.vr-zone.com/show...ad.php?t=202510&page=2

another link here in our own forums:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2114737&enterthread=y

 

[Rusin]

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13479/7
http://www.elitebastards.com/c...&limit=1&limitstart=10 (generates the same amount of noise as 8800 GTS)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...w1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== "Though it reached 91c the fan did not get loud at all."

 

[Syntax Error]

If you set the fan speeds right to kick in at certain intervals, on idle you won't hear the 8800GT at all, in actuality, in a lot of heavy gaming it takes a bit to raise the temps enough to make the fans somewhat noticeable.

From my computer case (P180) and where it's located (under the desk), combined somewhat cooler room temp (located near the beach), I can hardly hear my 8800GT in most cases.

And if the fan DOES spin up, it's not like I pay attention to it because in that case I'd be gaming pretty heavily.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Rusin
http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/13479/7
http://www.elitebastards.com/c...&limit=1&limitstart=10 (generates the same amount of noise as 8800 GTS)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...w1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== "Though it reached 91c the fan did not get loud at all."

Maybe the fan wasn't spinning and providing 91C which isn't too good for the GPU.

 

[bryanW1995]

this reminds me of a long, drawn out thread that apoppin was involved in a few months ago. He claimed that his 2900xt was not "loud" but did generate more noise than 8800gts. Maybe these 8800gt's aren't so much "loud" as they are "louder" than their competition, ie 8800gts and, possibly, 3870. I personally would prefer a quiet system, but for many people that is not an issue.

 

[Rusin]

Originally posted by: Azn


Maybe the fan wasn't spinning and providing 91C which isn't too good for the GPU.

There aren't any indication that 91C would be too much for G92

 

[n7]

Eh, i had an HD 2900 XT.

It was much louder than my GTX. End of story.
At idle it was indeed quiet, but under load, it was far from being quiet.
Granted, the GTX cooler isn't quiet @ 100% either, but it's quieter.

 

[thilanliyan]

For me even my 8800GTS was loud once I went over 65% fan speed. And this was with like 5-6 other fans in my system.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Rusin

Originally posted by: Azn


Maybe the fan wasn't spinning and providing 91C which isn't too good for the GPU.

There aren't any indication that 91C would be too much for G92

When was the last time 91C ever good for a GPU? Comfortable level is anything below 85C. I had many cards over the years. Anything above 90C usually give artifacts. I've never kept a card long enough at 90+C so I don't know if the video card dies quicker but I suspect heat can't possibly be too good for any chip.

 

[ronnn]

I agree, my x1900gt went over 90C, so bought an aftermarket cooler that day. Hated the noise anyways.