3D Printed Gun is Made

[mizzou]

The root of the problem here is multi-fold:

#1 The person bearing responsibility of the safety/performance of the device is placed on the customer

#2 It is assumed your customer will completely follow directions. No "Oh where did this screw go?" moments after everything is put together

#3 Customer is expected to understand and follow local, state, and federal laws regarding the manufacture, possession, and transfer of firearms.

All this needs is ONE negative instance and the entire thing will crumble.

OK im off my rant here now, but I'm just pissed they are pushing this stuff out so fast, they need to be more prudent about it.
Good luck

 

[lxskllr]

The root of the problem here is multi-fold:

#1 The person bearing responsibility of the safety/performance of the device is placed on the customer

#2 It is assumed your customer will completely follow directions. No "Oh where did this screw go?" moments after everything is put together

#3 Customer is expected to understand and follow local, state, and federal laws regarding the manufacture, possession, and transfer of firearms.

All this needs is ONE negative instance and the entire thing will crumble.

OK im off my rant here now, but I'm just pissed they are pushing this stuff out so fast, they need to be more prudent about it.
Good luck

Information should always be free. I can learn how to do anything, from cook up meth, to enrich uranium. It's on me to use, or not use the information appropriately. No one in this case is responsible except for the person who performs specific actions.

 

[mizzou]

Information should always be free. I can learn how to do anything, from cook up meth, to enrich uranium. It's on me to use, or not use the information appropriately. No one in this case is responsible except for the person who performs specific actions.

If a business, whose primary existence, is to profit off of distributing illegal and unsafe information (be it meth labs, uranium enriching), then they also bear a form of legal responsibility.

So yeah its on the specific person, but, when you look at the bigger picture you will see whats going on.
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Example:

Johnny goes to the library and sees a book called, One Pot Meth, by Poppy Argentine.

Johnny goes home and follows the instructions, line by line.

Oops, Johnny blew up the home and killed his brother and sister!

Question: Who is to blame? Who do you assign responsibility for a fault or wrong?

Answer: This is an extremely tough question, you have several things to take into account.

#1. Johnny decided to make meth, that is inherently dangerous and he should know that.
#2. The library displayed a book which contained inherently dangerous material
#3. Poppy Argentine apparently created a book and sold it, with designs that were inherently dangerous.

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All I'm trying to say here, is that shit is complicated

 

[Sonikku]

3d printers are dumb.

Spend $3000 on a machine that makes plastic crap you could otherwise buy from China.

Any 3d printed gun is going to be a piece of crap useless to anyone. Everything that is useful and made of plastic is already sold in stores, so its a useless tech.

I think the story is noteworthy more for the fact that it is possible than for it being "practical" at this very moment. It is foreshadowing of an era in the future when the costs of operating such a machine have fallen and quality of end products have increased. "Who the hell cares about this Comp-pew-tar device that fills out an entire building just to solve basic addition and subtraction problems, I can do the same thing with a paper and a pencil". But just look what became of the computer in the 50 years since.

 

[Howard]

Information should always be free. I can learn how to do anything, from cook up meth, to enrich uranium. It's on me to use, or not use the information appropriately. No one in this case is responsible except for the person who performs specific actions.

How do you stop mentally ill people from harming the greater good with dangerous knowledge, without also limiting their freedom to seek said knowledge?

 

[lxskllr]

How do you stop mentally ill people from harming the greater good with dangerous knowledge, without also limiting their freedom to seek said knowledge?

You don't. Shit happens, just as it always has. That's the error people seem to make these days. Every problem isn't fixable, and infringing on the rights of others in the attempt does far more harm than good.

 

[DrPizza]

Information should always be free. I can learn how to do anything, from cook up meth, to enrich uranium. It's on me to use, or not use the information appropriately. No one in this case is responsible except for the person who performs specific actions.

Then go live on your own private deserted island with a big "keep off my lawn" sign on the beach. Most of us, who live in a society, realize that there are irresponsible people out there. Since you brought it up, let's use your strawman. Suppose someone prints out their own centrifuges to enrich Uranium & then creates an atomic bomb. You're the guy standing there, shaking your fist yelling, "you killed Kenny! You bastard!" While the rest of us want to prevent leaving it up to individuals to be able to harness that ability.

 

[DrPizza]

You don't. Shit happens, just as it always has. That's the error people seem to make these days. Every problem isn't fixable, and infringing on the rights of others in the attempt does far more harm than good.

You seem to be claiming that we have to have 100% freedom about everything. That's not a society - that's chaos. What's the point to you in having any laws at all? Damn it! They're infringing on your right to drive 100mph through the city streets!!

 

[SP33Demon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DconsfGsXyA

Watch this documentary on Cody Wilson's movement from last month, and how he originally developed the lower of the AR-15 in plastic.

 

[lxskllr]

You seem to be claiming that we have to have 100% freedom about everything. That's not a society - that's chaos. What's the point to you in having any laws at all? Damn it! They're infringing on your right to drive 100mph through the city streets!!

Because knowledge causes zero harm. It's implementation may or may not. That's not at all applicable to driving too fast on the road. Censorship never works. Despots have tried since the beginning of time, but knowledge always wants to be free. All it's good for is making little cunts feel good about themselves, and to justify their paychecks to the stupid masses. That's in the best case.

 

[mizzou]

Because knowledge causes zero harm.

:hmm:

is this some sort of chicken/egg debate you want us to walk into? :awe:

 

[SP33Demon]

Now that metal detectors will be obsolete, we need better detection of explosive material such as gunpowder. The x-ray scanner's job also just got a lot tougher since plastic knives could easily be printed and disguised.

 

[SP33Demon]

How do you stop mentally ill people from harming the greater good with dangerous knowledge, without also limiting their freedom to seek said knowledge?

How do you prevent your mentally ill child from picking up a kitchen knife, in the middle of the night while you're sleeping, and stabbing you to death? You can't. One solution is to raise them with an altruistic mentality (right/good > wrong/evil) but even that doesn't always go as planned, see the Boston Marathon idiots.

 

[mizzou]

Now that metal detectors will be obsolete, we need better detection of explosive material such as gunpowder. The x-ray scanner's job also just got a lot tougher since plastic knives could easily be printed and disguised.

 

[ultimatebob]

I just wish that this Defense Distributed guy spend more time designing guns and less time gloating to all of the right-wing web sites. He's practically egging on the legislators to shut him down.

I doubt that the NRA will help him, either, since they get a lot of their funding from legitimate gun manufacturers. They don't want the bad press of someone killing themselves with a homemade gun using their ammunition.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Best bet is make a negative ceramic/clay mold from it, then cast the part in metal. I'm sure that's what the real players would do if guns were made illegal.

 

[SP33Demon]

I just wish that this Defense Distributed guy spend more time designing guns and less time gloating to all of the right-wing web sites. He's practically egging on the legislators to shut him down.

I doubt that the NRA will help him, either, since they get a lot of their funding from legitimate gun manufacturers. They don't want the bad press of someone killing themselves with a homemade gun using their ammunition.

Homemade metal guns have been legally around for a long time now (legally since 1968's Gun Control Act) and it's usually at the same price or cheaper than commercial (such as AR-15s). Like last Fall in North Carolina with people swarming machine shops to make their own:
http://www.10news.com/home/homepage-showcase/people-line-up-to-legally-make-untraceable-guns

3D printers are expensive and after buying materials, it would probably be the same cost as just going to a machine shop (AR-15 is $1200 or less). The advantage? Cheap plastic. However, in Cody's video, the plastic lower will obviously fail after a certain amount of rounds so it's way more feasible to just make your own metal AR-15. You need to practice with the weapon to get good at shooting it. I wouldn't trust a plastic gun as much as a metal one when I need it.

You may be right if a stronger material is introduced to market and as cost effective. Also, if 3D printer costs are super cheap and it becomes ubiquitous then it could become a problem. Most normal people will want a metal gun for home defense due to reliability. I think the NRA should support guns being made from any material since it further punctuates their stance that guns can be made from anything and it's the person's intent that turns it "bad", not the technology.

 

[onza]

If you guys have watched the vice interview for the original guy he started the project to not "create" guns but show a means that the government can't control guns because people will find and figure a way to produce arms at all costs.

 

[Imp]

Aww.. I want one, but I don't have a yard or an extra room.

 

[TridenT]

Use the source next time

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...-worlds-first-entirely-3d-printed-gun-photos/

Can we replace OP's link with this one? Oh, and ban the OP for being a douchebag for linking to some other article? Cool.

I think this is neat. I don't know why everyone is scared. I'm assuming just because of their ignorance.

Oh, and to lx (the moron about freedom lovin' freedom freedom): We're trying to prevent certain nations from enriching uranium. Yet, you seem to be all for that even though we're pretty sure those countries that would have enriched uranium would use it for... oh, I don't know... maybe a nuclear bomb to blow up the USA? But, hey, whatever... If you want to die in a nuclear holocaust, that's cool. Just go buy an island somewhere and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[lxskllr]

Oh, and to lx (the moron about freedom lovin' freedom freedom): We're trying to prevent certain nations from enriching uranium. Yet, you seem to be all for that even though we're pretty sure those countries that would have enriched uranium would use it for... oh, I don't know... maybe a nuclear bomb to blow up the USA? But, hey, whatever... If you want to die in a nuclear holocaust, that's cool. Just go buy an island somewhere and leave the rest of us alone.

Go fuck yourself twerp. We have no business meddling in the affairs of sovereign nations. I realize you aren't great in school, and probably are weak in history, but ask your teacher who's used nuclear weapons offensively, and get back to me.

 

[SP33Demon]

Can we replace OP's link with this one? Oh, and ban the OP for being a douchebag for linking to some other article? Cool.

I think this is neat. I don't know why everyone is scared. I'm assuming just because of their ignorance.

Oh, and to lx (the moron about freedom lovin' freedom freedom): We're trying to prevent certain nations from enriching uranium. Yet, you seem to be all for that even though we're pretty sure those countries that would have enriched uranium would use it for... oh, I don't know... maybe a nuclear bomb to blow up the USA? But, hey, whatever... If you want to die in a nuclear holocaust, that's cool. Just go buy an island somewhere and leave the rest of us alone.

An analogy of countries with nukes can be made to citizens with a gun to each other's heads. Of course gun owners aren't elected and we're talking about a top to bottom vs bottom to top approach when it comes to controlled weapons.

I don't have a problem with every country having nukes, because if they use it or attempt to use it, their genetic DNA will be justifiably wiped off the map. It's evolution. However, a good gun analogy to this country is that felons are prohibited from having guns. I don't have a problem with this either, and certain countries having "felon" status (NK, Iran) would fall under the same system as our firearm laws.

 

[wirednuts]

Now that metal detectors will be obsolete, we need better detection of explosive material such as gunpowder. The x-ray scanner's job also just got a lot tougher since plastic knives could easily be printed and disguised.

exactly what i have been saying all along. no matter how invasive technology gets, you will always be able to sneak WMD's through.

until the airlines start fisting everyone in the ass i dont see any other way to be safe. and if people dont like that, we can just live in jail. america is the capital for jail living anyway, were so good at it and prisoners are very safe compared to the public.

 

[Cpus]

How do you prevent your mentally ill child from picking up a kitchen knife, in the middle of the night while you're sleeping, and stabbing you to death? You can't. One solution is to raise them with an altruistic mentality (right/good > wrong/evil) but even that doesn't always go as planned, see the Boston Marathon idiots.

hide all knives.

 

[Cpus]

files set to release next week for the gun

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/04/fully_3d_printed_gun/