[3dcenter] GK104 specs

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I almost hate responding to you because our thought processes are
so vastly different, but didnt you account for anything like
if the cores are weaker, there are 1534 of them? Also, that you are assuming 100%
Scaling for SLId GTX560Ti when arriving at your conservative
15% over GTX580? Is it I who is missing some other details?

Picture a GTX 560Ti with 768 Cuda cores instead of 384.
If these specs are accurate this should have better performance
than GTX560Ti SLI. Does GTX560Ti SLI perform higher
than a 7970?

Wat. You just said two completely different things.

Also, GTX 560 Ti SLI is roughly 15% faster than a GTX 580. That's what you asked for and I don't get why you're all upset when faced with that fact. As a matter of fact, I was putting the GTX 560 Ti SLI in the best possible light:

100/89=12% faster at 1920x1200.

100/87=15% faster at 2560x1600.

 

[Keysplayr]

Keysplayr, you can't do an apples to apples number of cores comparison. Just in case you forgot: Hotclocking is gone, and you need more shader units to maintain the same level of performance as the Fermi.

Yes I can and you dont realize that I most certainly did not forget.
Look here, picture a GTX560Ti with 768 cores with hot clocks, and
GTX560Ti with 1534 cores without hot clocks.
Tada!!

 

[Keysplayr]

Lava, its happening again.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I can understand the logic behinde it.
Half clocks speeds => need twice as many for same performance.

However the 580 has like 512 cuda cores right? double up would be like 1024... not 1536 of them.
Also the 580 shaders are only run at like ~1550 mhz .... 950 is more like 2/3 rds not half speed.

Im kinda skeptical of those specs.... guess we ll find out when it launches.

you're doing the math wrong

if we double up on the cores but take away the hot clocks, that's sitting at the same performance if we assume each core is half as effective because they're smaller, so we'd really need quadruple the cores if we want double the performance

GF104/114 = 384 cores, which would equate to a possible GK104 @ 768 cores with hotclocks, or 1536 cores without

 

[AtenRa]

I find the TMUs to many for 340mm2

I could be wrong

 

[Nintendesert]

I just hope this card delivers. I need something in the $350 range to replace my 5870! Soon, soon...

 

[lavaheadache]

Lava, its happening again.

Like stated before, These guys seem hell bent on nit picking your words trying to find any avenue to attack your or your statement. I don't know how he missed that you were comparing performance regardless of it being hot clocked shaders or just lots of "weaker" shaders.

I really just wish people would take a minute to read and reread what is posted before instantly responding with daggers flailing.

I feel like I'm reading the facebook wall of a high schooler.

 

[Silverforce11]

Weaker shaders no hotclock on a tiny (for NV) die and crap all bandwidth.. I have a feeling the gk104 will barely approach gtx580 performance with those specs, let alone beat it.

Looks like SA may be on the ball, less than gtx580 performance unless its in a physx game.

ps. It should be a great bitcoin GPU if its cheap!!

 

[blackened23]

I'm sure keps is a great guy and all but he's from the same organization as (an infamous unnamed person), so its not hard to figure out why someone would question anything said. Whatever though, for my part i'm done discussing it, I misinterpreted what was said

Apologies and such, i'll refrain from doing that.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

I'm sure keps is a great guy and all but he's from the same organization as (an infamous unnamed person), so its not hard to figure out why someone would question anything said. Whatever though, for my part i'm done discussing it, I misinterpreted what was said

This. Not bothering anymore. If you can't make your arguments clear it's not our fault for not understanding them and then you complaining about it.

That, and he seems hellbent on defending NVIDIA and making pro-NVIDIA statements no matter what. Doesn't surprise me given that line in the sig.

 

[Grooveriding]

Would take anything he says with a grain of salt considering the overly positive bs he threw around here before Fermi and how it turned out to be total BS, and I'm not talking about Charlie.

If you're going to take Charlie rumours as fact, it would make sense to not pick and choose the ones you want to believe and ones you don't. He's said the halo gpu is late this year as well and I would tend to believe that as every rumour from any source as pointed to nothing but this mid range card coming.

I think this will be an amazing card for $300-$350 and make a lot of people in that price bracket very happy with a GTX 580 level card for $100-$150 less than a 580 costs now. But don't fall into the trap of far fetched ramblings and believe nv is going to release a $300 card that is as fast as a 7970. Use the rational side of your brain.

 

[lavaheadache]

This. Not bothering anymore. If you can't make your arguments clear it's not our fault for not understanding them and then you complaining about it.

That, and he seems hellbent on defending NVIDIA and making pro-NVIDIA statements no matter what. Doesn't surprise me given that line in the sig.

Once you accept what he is and that anything that favors nVidia is positive, he is a fairly straight shooter.

 

[sontin]

Guys you know that there is not something like "weak" shaders? A Kepler core will do 2 FLOP/s (MAD). That's a standard for a core today. They will not change it.

That's the reason why i think these specs are fake.

 

[lavaheadache]

Would take anything he says with a grain of salt considering the overly positive bs he threw around here before Fermi and how it turned out to be total BS, and I'm not talking about Charlie.

If you're going to take Charlie rumours as fact, it would make sense to not pick and choose the ones you want to believe and ones you don't. He's said the halo gpu is late this year as well and I would tend to believe that as every rumour from any source as pointed to nothing but this mid range card coming.

I think this will be an amazing card for $300-$350 and make a lot of people in that price bracket very happy with a GTX 580 level card for $100-$150 less than a 580 costs now. But don't fall into the trap of far fetched ramblings and believe nv is going to release a $300 card that is as fast as a 7970. Use the rational side of your brain.

Yeah, I firmly believe this will be a nice card that will excel in certain scenarios but to what extent ? Nothing too substantial, IMO.

 

[lavaheadache]

Guys you know that there is not something like "weak" shaders? A Kepler core will do 2 FLOP/s (MAD). That's a standard for a core today. They will not change it.

That's the reason why i think these specs are fake.

VLIW 5 and 4 have weaker or "more simple" shaders in comparison to what nvidia has been using in the past generations.

 

[tviceman]

Same TMU/ROP count as the 7970? With the same memory bandwidth of a stock 470? Yuck.

This sounds like an AMD card, with an overpowered texture unit and poor pixel shader performance in comparison.

The memory bandwidth listed in these specs is higher than what a gtx570 has. http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-570-us.html

The gtx470's memory bandwidth: http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_470_us.html

 

[tviceman]

Would take anything he says with a grain of salt considering the overly positive bs he threw around here before Fermi and how it turned out to be total BS, and I'm not talking about Charlie.

If you're going to take Charlie rumours as fact, it would make sense to not pick and choose the ones you want to believe and ones you don't. He's said the halo gpu is late this year as well and I would tend to believe that as every rumour from any source as pointed to nothing but this mid range card coming.

I think this will be an amazing card for $300-$350 and make a lot of people in that price bracket very happy with a GTX 580 level card for $100-$150 less than a 580 costs now. But don't fall into the trap of far fetched ramblings and believe nv is going to release a $300 card that is as fast as a 7970. Use the rational side of your brain.

I think that, no matter what, it will force a price drop on your hd7970's you want so bad.

 

[badb0y]

I really can't wait for this card, if the GK104 performs around 7970 then the GK114 will be freaking amazing.

 

[tviceman]

Weaker shaders no hotclock on a tiny (for NV) die and crap all bandwidth.. I have a feeling the gk104 will barely approach gtx580 performance with those specs, let alone beat it.

The gtx570 had less memory bandwidth than an hd6950, and we all know which of the two is faster. If these leaked specs are accurate, I don't think it's going to be a big issue. At the same time, I would personally have liked to have seen it at 1.3ghz or more, but perhaps these leaked specs are wrong or aren't set in stone. Who knows until it launches, right?

 

[Grooveriding]

I think that, no matter what, it will force a price drop on your hd7970's you want so bad.

Works for me. Looking forward to the nv strike team bitch fest about the mid range prices going up by $100 as well

 

[tviceman]

Works for me. Looking forward to the nv strike team bitch fest about the mid range prices going up by $100 as well

Well, considering that this is Kepler's GF114, and it's heavily rumored to be $299-$319 from the start, and no one has bitched yet..... I think the "nv strike team" will be relatively quiet.

 

[Grooveriding]

Well, considering that this is Kepler's GF114, and it's heavily rumored to be $299-$319 from the start, and no one has bitched yet..... I think the "nv strike team" will be relatively quiet.

Well yeah, that was tongue in cheek. NV strke team will be reduced in butthurt factor by a good 40% I reckon and screaming about price/performance.

 

[lavaheadache]

Well, considering that this is Kepler's GF114, and it's heavily rumored to be $299-$319 from the start, and no one has bitched yet..... I think the "nv strike team" will be relatively quiet.

Price is only relative to competition with Video cards. Why people expect anything else is rediculous.

 

[Stingercjc]

Price is only relative to competion with Video cards. Why people expect anything else is rediculous.

Agreed. AMD set the stage for prices when they released the 79xx series. Nvidia is going to price their cards accordingly.

If a GTX 660 Ti offers performance on the level of a 7950 or so, it will not be sold for 300 dollars. It will fall somewhere in the 400-450 range.

 

[Lonyo]

Agreed. AMD set the stage for prices when they released the 79xx series. Nvidia is going to price their cards accordingly.

If a GTX 660 Ti offers performance on the level of a 7950 or so, it will not be sold for 300 dollars. It will be 400 or slightly more.

Like NV set the stage for pricing with the GTX280/260 and then AMD released their cards at prices according to them?
Oh wait, AMD undercut them significantly and cause NV to give rebates to people who purchased the GTX280s on release.

Just because one card is priced at X on launch doesn't mean that sets the market.
The HD5800 series INCREASED in price after launch (although only slightly).

There is no reason to assume that prices will stay static. Even if NV did decide to price according to AMD rather than being aggressive, that doesn't mean AMD wouldn't respond by dropping prices themselves.

The prices are what the prices are NOW. That doesn't mean that in the future everything will revolve around these prices. Never has and probably never will.