4.1 GHz 805D???

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Bakwetu

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For my work computer I though a 805D would be a nice cheap upgrade with a possible decent overclock. I bought the cpu and a cheap Asus p5p 800Se, that uses ddr and apg, which I thought was great as I could use my old stuff. I have an Asetek waterchiller to cool it with.

Anyway as I tested it, I found it overclocks fairly easy to 3.6 ghz in windows, but it is never stable at full load except at its original speed and since I run analyses that taxes the cpu 100 % I can't overclock at all. I'm not shure but I think it is due to the cheap mobo that cannot supply the cpu with the enough juice (though that would mean it can't run any faster cpus so that's perhaps not probable). The vcore, measured in Asusprobe, fluctuates depending on load. At 50% load the vcore goes down a little, but when it is under 100% load, vcore always goes down to 1.144-1.2 V after a few minutes regardless of what vcore that was selected in the bios and regardless of what speed the cpu is running at. Is that really normal? All other voltages (+12, +5, and +3.3) are stable. I have a Zalman 400W psu and it runs the pump, three 120 mm and one 80 mm fans running at low speed, an old geforce3 ti200 card, one hd, a cdrw and two mice. That should't be too much for a good 400W psu, should it? The temps are low, at 2.66 ghz it is around 40C at full load and goes up to at most 68C at full load 3.6 ghz.

My memory sticks are not the same (one Twinmos 512 mb 2.5 and one Apacher 512 mb 2.5) and perhaps can't run in dual mode, but running with just one stick doesn't change anything and memtest doesn't give any errors.

Edit: I just checked my psu and it is the older 400-APF that only has 15A on the +12V line could this be the problem? The specs are: +3v 28A +5v 40A (together 235 W), 12V 15A (180W).
 

ntrights

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Originally posted by: Bakwetu
Edit: I just checked my psu and it is the older 400-APF that only has 15A on the +12V line could this be the problem? The specs are: +3v 28A +5v 40A (together 235 W), 12V 15A (180W).
Change PSU!! Also look over your cooling. I wouldn't be comfortable with anything above 64C for 100% stability 24/7

Mine does 2.66@3.90 (FSB195) 1.5Gig Mushkin Black label&Xtreem 500MHz (Winbond BH-5 chips)

idle 36C, Full load dual prime 62C
Watercooled
 

AkumaX

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Originally posted by: thewilson
Hi,

I have been reading through this thread looking for motherboard suggestions. Does anyone actually have any?

At the minute I'm running a 3000+ based Gentoo Linux (32bit) system, which has served me quite well. I am going to have to ditch it however as I am moving back to Glasgow and it will cost more to transport it there than to buy a new b0x. I'd like to move to a dual core system to reduce the amount of time I spend watching crap scroll by in a terminal window, the 805D seems a relatively inexpensive way to do this.

I'm quite interested in the overclocking potential of the 805D, at the minute I'm not really interested in rocking 4.1Ghz but a permanent 3.32Ghz would be nice. I'd also like a board supporting sli I don't game a great deal so this is less important, but it would be nice to be play with. The Asus P5WD2-E mentioned in the tomshardware article is a little pricey for me. The 'Asus P5ND2 SLi nForce4 SLi ' here http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Asus_177.html seems compatible to me and it is a fair bit cheaper than the P5WD2-E. Any comments or critasisms of this board?

In summary I am looking for:

Moderate overclocking ability
Moderate price tag
Sli (not essential)

If you have had experience with the board you are suggesting (and are able to recall installing it) could you also add a note if you needed to update the BIOS to get anything working? Again it's not a huge problem but it can be a pain to have to install Windows to get a BIOS update on, especially if you only find out having spent time wondering why something won't work in linux.

Many Thanks for helping out a n00b

Will

Apologies for the following pissy Post Script but I want an informed reply rather than an example of manufacturer zealotry.

Pre-emptive replies:

"Why dont you get another Athlon X000+" or "Get an Opteron XXX" or "Get an X2/dual opteron"
Is the CPU you want to suggest dual core? If not please bear in mind that good multitasking is more important to me than gaming.
If I could afford an X2 or dual opteron rig I would get one.

"CPU X can be overclocked harder"
I only want to overclock it a bit, if I feel I need it to perform at 4.1Ghz I'll put together a DistCC cluster before buying a watercooling option.

"Your electricity bill will negate any saving you make on the CPU" or "The 805D runs HOTTT"
I'm going to be living with postgraduate students, my electricity bill is going to be enormous anyway.
The heat produced by an overclocked 805 will be a welcome comfort come winter in Glasgow.

"Why don't you wait for XXX"
Firstly I actually don't think I could survive for more than a couple of weeks without a machine to tinker with.
Secondly, I have never upgraded a CPU without buying a whole new mainboard, if I wait for CPU XXX I will end up spending a fortune on the newest bit of kit, that will undoubtably need brand new flashy RAM and who knows what else, I'm looking for a budget system I can buy next month.

Moving to Glasgow is a great reason to get an 805D, it will be great as a heater! (really!)
 

Bakwetu

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ok, I'm ordering a a Hiper 580W tonight it has 20A + 18A on the +12V rail http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hpu-4r580.html.

The 68 C was when I only had one low speed fan on the radiator (my old, silent Papst). I have now attached another fan on the other side of the radiator and it will keep the temps down better. It is a small radiator (black ice pro 120 mm) and if it can't handle the heat I'm going to install my much larger car radiator - not as easy to attach as the black ice though.

I'll be back with an update in a few days
 

stevty2889

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Originally posted by: Bakwetu
ok, I'm ordering a a Hiper 580W tonight it has 20A + 18A on the +12V rail http://www.hipergroup.com/English/products/hpu-4r580.html.

The 68 C was when I only had one low speed fan on the radiator (my old, silent Papst). I have now attached another fan on the other side of the radiator and it will keep the temps down better. It is a small radiator (black ice pro 120 mm) and if it can't handle the heat I'm going to install my much larger car radiator - not as easy to attach as the black ice though.

I'll be back with an update in a few days


Never heard of that brand of PSU, 12v rail specs look a little low for a 580w PSU. I would stick with something trustworthy, Fortron, Enermax, Seasonic etc. Overclocked, it could be throttling at 68C, so definatly need to bring the temps down. I hit 57c at 3.7ghz on the Thermaltake Bigwater. I'm running a 450w Antec, and it seems to be whats limiting my overclock.
 

Bakwetu

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yes, perhaps a bit low, it's because the specs for +3.3 and +5V are 280W together, the 12V rails are 360W together. But I don't have a high performing gpu so I think it will suffice. I would rather have bought the seasonic 600W, but it is too expensive here in Sweden (almost double the price of the Hiper). Hiper is fairly well know here in Europe, this unit has been tested by many sites and the reviews are mainly positive.

Anyway, the order has been sent, so I should have it on Monday or Tuesday. I ordered a waterblock for the NB (Watercool heatkiller NB) as well; they had one for only $13.5 incl. Vat
 

Bakwetu

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Well changing the psu didn't help anything. I don't know how reliable Asusprobe is but I still get those dips in vcore when both cores are stressed no matter what I put the vcore at in the bios. It goes down to c. 1.05-1.2 V under stress. It will go into windows at 3 ghz, but craps out as soon as the cpu is stressed.

I guess it must be the cheap mobo that can't provide sufficent power to the cpu, but that doesn't really make sense - how would it ever be able to run higher clocked cpus?

Bah, I give up, I'll run it at a measly 2.7 ghz and forget about the whole ordeal.
 

ntrights

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probably your ram thats limiting you then!!!! you should be able to hit somewhere between 3.3-3.6 GHz on DEFAULT voltage....
 

Bakwetu

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After running it a few hours, I came back after lunch only to find the computer was dead. I pressed the power-on button once-nothing, pressed it once more and a nice shiny spark flew out from the mobo. The power transistors are fried, and I am returning it as soon as I get the rma no. Hopefully, it was the mobo that was defective all along, but I am a bit worried about the high +12V line of the Hiper; it was at 12.4v in asus probe.

We'll see first how the next mobo will behave, I would prefer if I didn't have to buy new ddr-sticks if I don' have to. No fun investing in a dying technology especially since memtest didn't find anything wrong wih the sticks I have. If it would have been ddr2 then it would perhaps be a different matter. The sticks are pc3200 and the mobo only runs them at 266 or 333 mhz as long as the fsb is under 200.
 

RideFree

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I ordered the 805D from Newegg along with the same M/B and RAM as they used at Tom'sHardware and here is the result with a Zalman7700 4.014 on air
Super PI to 1m = 24sec.
 
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