4.1 GHz 805D???

[Markfw]

BTW, its only 80f outside, and my AC has been running all day. After firing up the 805, my computer room is really heating up (in addition to the already hot 820).

I may have to shut the Intel boxes down.... As to the benchmarks, see Stevty's post elsewhere on the performance of his X2@2.6 vs his 805@3.7. He says the Intel needs ~4.2 to equal the X2. Read his posts on several threads to verify what I am saying.

Also, you forgot to add memory cost. I believe the X2 PC3200 generic vs the DDR2 will show the DDR cheaper. Also, at less then $50 diff, the power DOES come into play over 2 years.

 

[yanman]

bit of a dodgy article. so many pages saying the same thing yet they manage to leave out any comparisons to other *overclocked* CPU's. lots of talk about what the CPU costs yet no discussion of what the increase in power bill over the year would be!!

if they're going to claim some sort of victory over Opteron 144 surely they could have at least included benches of an overclocked 144 to show it.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Noubourne
Seems to me (after just glancing at the benchies there) that an Opty 165 at stock volts and 2.4-2.5Ghz - which afaik, is not an uncommon feat - would kick the pants out of the 4.0Ghz 805 at somewhere around 70% of the power consumption.

Does it really pay to buy a $130 CPU if you're gonna shell out the other $200 in electric bills in the time you own it? If you owned it for more than 2 years, it could quite easily cost you MORE than a $500 CPU.

On top of that, they used a watercooling rig. That's what, minimum of $150 expense? Seems to me that makes it more like a $300 CPU - which is Opteron 165 territory.

This article is one of the dumbest I have read in some time. I guess that's because I don't visit Tom's much anymore. It sounds like it was written by a 14 year old whose mommy pays the electric bills. No comparison of an air-cooled Opty (hell, my air cooled 2.6Ghz Athlon 64 3000 is probably not too far below in performance at about 1.45v) or Athlon 64 SINGLE CORE (FX-55 is on there, but not OC'd at all!!). Anyway, this should be compared to a price-comparable Venice on water and a price comparable Denmark on air to show who REALLY has the leg up on OC potential. I'd be willing to bet AMD still walks away with the win, bang for buck.

Of course, that won't be true after Conroe, but we AMD fans still got a few weeks to preen, eh?

Actually in most apps your 2.6ghz Opty would beat the 4ghz 805d.....


I am not impressed when cooling needs to cost more then the chip.....I have seen opties do 2.6ghz with stock vcore and stock cooling...Giveit water and you have a shot at 3ghz plus and this 805d falls waayyyy behind....

I dont think I would even build one if you handed it to me for free....



As for Faikius....you are lucky the mods haven't been trolling lately...i would recommend you take a vacation...No one asked for your personal comments and singling out MarkFW900....

As for Duwannabemod, I didnt single anyone out. Noubourne posted fud and i wanted facts. So please, watch your own behaviour.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Noubourne
Seems to me (after just glancing at the benchies there) that an Opty 165 at stock volts and 2.4-2.5Ghz - which afaik, is not an uncommon feat - would kick the pants out of the 4.0Ghz 805 at somewhere around 70% of the power consumption.

Does it really pay to buy a $130 CPU if you're gonna shell out the other $200 in electric bills in the time you own it? If you owned it for more than 2 years, it could quite easily cost you MORE than a $500 CPU.

On top of that, they used a watercooling rig. That's what, minimum of $150 expense? Seems to me that makes it more like a $300 CPU - which is Opteron 165 territory.

This article is one of the dumbest I have read in some time. I guess that's because I don't visit Tom's much anymore. It sounds like it was written by a 14 year old whose mommy pays the electric bills. No comparison of an air-cooled Opty (hell, my air cooled 2.6Ghz Athlon 64 3000 is probably not too far below in performance at about 1.45v) or Athlon 64 SINGLE CORE (FX-55 is on there, but not OC'd at all!!). Anyway, this should be compared to a price-comparable Venice on water and a price comparable Denmark on air to show who REALLY has the leg up on OC potential. I'd be willing to bet AMD still walks away with the win, bang for buck.

Of course, that won't be true after Conroe, but we AMD fans still got a few weeks to preen, eh?

Actually in most apps your 2.6ghz Opty would beat the 4ghz 805d.....


I am not impressed when cooling needs to cost more then the chip.....I have seen opties do 2.6ghz with stock vcore and stock cooling...Giveit water and you have a shot at 3ghz plus and this 805d falls waayyyy behind....

I dont think I would even build one if you handed it to me for free....



As for Faikius....you are lucky the mods haven't been trolling lately...i would recommend you take a vacation...No one asked for your personal comments and singling out MarkFW900....

As for Duwannabemod, I didnt single anyone out. Noubourne posted fud and i wanted facts. So please, watch your own behaviour.

Who the heck is talking to you...I ignore you...Is your name Afaikus??? I am talking to Afaikus... Do you not know your own name??? Get some help with that....

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Noubourne
Seems to me (after just glancing at the benchies there) that an Opty 165 at stock volts and 2.4-2.5Ghz - which afaik, is not an uncommon feat - would kick the pants out of the 4.0Ghz 805 at somewhere around 70% of the power consumption.

Does it really pay to buy a $130 CPU if you're gonna shell out the other $200 in electric bills in the time you own it? If you owned it for more than 2 years, it could quite easily cost you MORE than a $500 CPU.

On top of that, they used a watercooling rig. That's what, minimum of $150 expense? Seems to me that makes it more like a $300 CPU - which is Opteron 165 territory.

This article is one of the dumbest I have read in some time. I guess that's because I don't visit Tom's much anymore. It sounds like it was written by a 14 year old whose mommy pays the electric bills. No comparison of an air-cooled Opty (hell, my air cooled 2.6Ghz Athlon 64 3000 is probably not too far below in performance at about 1.45v) or Athlon 64 SINGLE CORE (FX-55 is on there, but not OC'd at all!!). Anyway, this should be compared to a price-comparable Venice on water and a price comparable Denmark on air to show who REALLY has the leg up on OC potential. I'd be willing to bet AMD still walks away with the win, bang for buck.

Of course, that won't be true after Conroe, but we AMD fans still got a few weeks to preen, eh?

Actually in most apps your 2.6ghz Opty would beat the 4ghz 805d.....


I am not impressed when cooling needs to cost more then the chip.....I have seen opties do 2.6ghz with stock vcore and stock cooling...Giveit water and you have a shot at 3ghz plus and this 805d falls waayyyy behind....

I dont think I would even build one if you handed it to me for free....



As for Faikius....you are lucky the mods haven't been trolling lately...i would recommend you take a vacation...No one asked for your personal comments and singling out MarkFW900....

As for Duwannabemod, I didnt single anyone out. Noubourne posted fud and i wanted facts. So please, watch your own behaviour.

Who the heck is talking to you...I ignore you...Is your name Afaikus??? I am talking to Afaikus... Do you not know your own name??? Get some help with that....

roll

 

[TurtleBlue]

On the electrical cost subtopic of the 805 cpu thread my situation is different. My monthly maintenance bill includes gas & electricity so the cost of feeding this tiny titan is $0 (Live in NYC and the maint fee is lower than most rents in this town, so my wife & I are fortunate, in that regard).

I mainly view & post in the Distributed Computing group but came over here to see if there was any activity on the 805 since I have a mid-tower rig I built for my nephew some years ago (AMD original thunderbird setup on an asus mobo). It is DOA right now and have been wanting to degut the case & fill it with some inexpensive comp parts. The 805 cpu has been tickling my fancy but don't want to spend loads of $ on a setup that will just do business software, some distributed computing crunching (Folding@home & eOn), and DVD burning. My other mid-tower is running with my old 2.4ghz intel norwood cpu on a gigabyte mobo with onboard video(Main rig is a 3.06ghz intel norwood in a tower case). I would like to do the same kind of setup with the DOA box so $ will be spent on the 805, mobo with video (no PCI-X vid card to buy), at lease 1 gig of value DDR2 ram, a small SATA hard drive (already have winXP O/S from DOA box) and a new wireless keyboard & mouse.

Would like to keep this below $500 cost and would like to try to O/C this simple setup to a little above 3 ghz speed (never have O/C'ed before). It was mentioned on other posts in this topic a better quality (and thus more expensive mobo) would aid in this quest of a more stable O/C. Will look if Gigabyte has any +$100 boards with video onboard.

Will keep in touch and try to update info on this little project.

 

[Absolute0]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Also, you forgot to add memory cost. I believe the X2 PC3200 generic vs the DDR2 will show the DDR cheaper. Also, at less then $50 diff, the power DOES come into play over 2 years.

Hehe, that's a tempting argument to make, one that i tried to make in the past, but after doing some research i had to change. DDR2 is coming way down in price. At least as cheap as DDR1.

These are the 1gb kits at Newegg sorted by price. Compare the cheapest DDR2 and the cheapest DDR1.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...+1052308476&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=147

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Absolute0

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Also, you forgot to add memory cost. I believe the X2 PC3200 generic vs the DDR2 will show the DDR cheaper. Also, at less then $50 diff, the power DOES come into play over 2 years.

Hehe, that's a tempting argument to make, one that i tried to make in the past, but after doing some research i had to change. DDR2 is coming way down in price. At least as cheap as DDR1.

These are the 1gb kits at Newegg sorted by price. Compare the cheapest DDR2 and the cheapest DDR1.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...+1052308476&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=147

Well, on the surface that may seem true. I got some very cheap PC3200, (can;t remeber how much I paid now) and it OC's just like the exspensive stuff. On the othe hand, I got some OCZ gold DDR2 667 for my 820, and got to 3.43. The I swapped it out for the cheap PC4200 I just got, and now the exact same box, with nothing but a memory swap only goes to 3.15. So I stand by my statement.

 

[Absolute0]

lol man, use a divider


Alright right now it's loading dual SP2004 on air @ 4 Ghz

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/00cb7818.jpg

Is the setup

Stability shots soon...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/18904324.jpg
4ghz on air

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/d3cffa99.jpg
4.1 GHz on air... that took a cold room

 

[Lonyo]

The CPU is £90, watercooling is £70. That's £160 for the 805 vs £200 for a 3800+.
nForce 4 939 is £60~£70 depending on SLi or not. (Abit board, K8N Ultra) or DFI Lanparty for £95.
The mobo's they listed for Intel are £120 at the cheapest.
That means CPU + cooler + mobo for Intel = £280
CPU + mobo for AMD = £270 for retail 3800+ or £260 + cooler (maybe £25) for 3800+ OEM.

So there is pretty much no difference in price between a 3800+ and an 805, and the 3800+ will likely use less power.
200W increase from the overclocked 805D to 4.1GHz (THG numbers)
100W increase from overclocking a 3800+ to 2.7GHz (Anandtech numbers)

So overall the 805 system will likely draw 100W more power or so as well as ending up a similar price fo 4GHz speeds.
Lower speeds (say 3.6GHz) which can easily be obtained on air are a better bet, because you get the best price/performance I would say, since watercooling pushes the 805 out of the real of cheap, and there is a big rise in power consumption from 3.8 -> 4.1 at least. 3.6GHz is also more attainable and probably less risky in the long run.


The 805 is a good deal, but not for 4GHz running.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Absolute0
lol man, use a divider


Alright right now it's loading dual SP2004 on air @ 4 Ghz

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/00cb7818.jpg

Is the setup

Stability shots soon...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/18904324.jpg
4ghz on air

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/absolute035/d3cffa99.jpg
4.1 GHz on air... that took a cold room

If you are referring to me, I am using a divider. 533 on the 667 mem, 400 on the 533 mem.

 

[Faikius]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I was agreeing with the above poster. Why don't you just stay out of the thread if you have nothing to contribute except personal insults. I see you didn;t insult the person I was agreeing with. Have a personal vendetta ?

And as to your comment, I don;t think Intel sucks. Conroe looks quite promising, but the 8xx and 9xx series are a waste, even though 9xx is a lot better than 8xx. And most people agree that netburst stinks in general (even though it did have its uses)

I have plenty to contribute to this thread since I actually have a P4 running at 4Ghz+. Have you accomplished the same?

I in no way "insulted" you.

I was just commenting that you (or one of a few others) somehow manage to bring AMD into every Intel overclocking thread. The purpose of this thread was to discuss a very decent overclock on a budget cpu, not to bring up the same tired AMD vs. Intel arguments.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Faikius

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I was agreeing with the above poster. Why don't you just stay out of the thread if you have nothing to contribute except personal insults. I see you didn;t insult the person I was agreeing with. Have a personal vendetta ?

And as to your comment, I don;t think Intel sucks. Conroe looks quite promising, but the 8xx and 9xx series are a waste, even though 9xx is a lot better than 8xx. And most people agree that netburst stinks in general (even though it did have its uses)

I have plenty to contribute to this thread since I actually have a P4 running at 4Ghz+. Have you accomplished the same?

I in no way "insulted" you.

I was just commenting that you (or one of a few others) somehow manage to bring AMD into every Intel overclocking thread. The purpose of this thread was to discuss a very decent overclock on a budget cpu, not to bring up the same tired AMD vs. Intel arguments.

This thread is about an 805. I have an 805, and you don't. So my input has nothing to do with AMD, but my experience with my 805. Since you don't have one, what input do you have that is valid ?

 

[clarkmo]

Kids will be kids :laugh:

I enjoyed the read at Tom's. 45+ pages is ridiculous,though.
The plain vanilla Asus is approx $160. Still expensive for a mobo.
Tempting though, considering the potential upside. Mulititasks like a bear.

I'm sure there will be an opty vs 805 duel review soon.

 

[zephyrprime]

I have a 805D as well. Here is the cheap way to overclock it:

Asus P5LD2 @ $120
PQI ddr2-667 2gb @$109 @ newegg
Arctic freezer pro @ $30

And there you go. I can hit 3.5 at stock voltage and can probably do more with a little more juice. 44C idle @3.6, 60c active.

There super setup used by Tom's is really just a sort of hot rod setup; not a practical build in my opinion. People are reading the article out of context in my opinion thinking that tom's is suggesting the usage of a cooling system that cost more than the CPU for ordinary builds. Do that would be silly.

And buying an $80 motherboard for any sort of overclocking is a bad idea in my opinion whether the build is with Intel or AMD.

 

[Faikius]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
This thread is about an 805. I have an 805, and you don't. So my input has nothing to do with AMD, but my experience with my 805. Since you don't have one, what input do you have that is valid ?

For valid input, check post 4

You're absolutely correct about the thread topic though. It should be about the 805, not about budget / electrical comparisons to AMD.

 

[DidlySquat]

ROFL @Duvie's video card

 

[Noubourne]

Well, I think it's valid to compare other potential overclocks in an article claiming to have the holy grail of overclocks currently on the market.

If they were able to hit it at stock volts, we wouldn't be having this discussion, because power consumption likely wouldn't have skyrocketed.

That being said, I saw more than a $10 per month difference in my electric bill going from a regular clocked Newcastle 2.0Ghz to an OC'd 2.6Ghz Venice. For $120 a year, its a consideration for me. That adds up. If your electric is included, obviously it isn't. This is the reason I was not much impressed with X2s, but the lower volt Optys look so attractive to me. It's also why my next rig will likely be sporting a Conroe.

In any case, he did need to ramp up volts a good ways to hit 4 on his, and on top of that he needed water to prevent thermal throttling. For an overclocker, that's gotta be a consideration. Watercooling isn't free, and he's claiming he got 4.0Ghz for $135. It's misleading is all. I think it's a valid point.

A few here are hitting 3.8 and 4 on air. Now THAT is more interesting. I did notice the Zalman used at Tom's - and while I personally use one - I'm aware that there are better performers out there (albeit not necessarily as quiet). I stand by my comment that the article is done poorly. He didn't get 4.0Ghz on a $135 chip without a water cooling setup that he completely failed to price out for us. It's just as fanboyish as some of the other comments being made here (although to be fair, not nearly as poor a conversation as is going on at Tom's forum on the subject).

 

[Absolute0]

So i showed 4.1 Ghz primeable on air, the load voltage was 1.40 (1.50 set in bios).

THG needed watercooling and 1.67v for 4.1 So they can suck it ;P
People don't know how to oc these days

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I have a 805D as well. Here is the cheap way to overclock it:

Asus P5LD2 @ $120
PQI ddr2-667 2gb @$109 @ newegg
Arctic freezer pro @ $30

And there you go. I can hit 3.5 at stock voltage and can probably do more with a little more juice. 44C idle @3.6, 60c active.

There super setup used by Tom's is really just a sort of hot rod setup; not a practical build in my opinion. People are reading the article out of context in my opinion thinking that tom's is suggesting the usage of a cooling system that cost more than the CPU for ordinary builds. Do that would be silly.

And buying an $80 motherboard for any sort of overclocking is a bad idea in my opinion whether the build is with Intel or AMD.

The article is about getting a supposed £80 chip (I haven't seen it at that price) to 4.1GHz, and it's supposed to be cheap.
The facts are it's not cheap to get to 4.1GHz, but it is a cheap chip and it does overclock well.
The way THG presents the article is all wrong, and what they suggest with the title is not reality.

A 4.1 GHz Dual Core at £79.95 - Can it be True?

No, it's not true.
But it's a good value chip that will likely be good for 3.6GHz on the cheap.

 

[ChunkyBarf]

I just wanted to post a slight rebuttal regarding the "electricity bill" aspect that keeps coming up. No person here can speak of all rates for all areas, but the simple fact (at least for me) is that the increase in electricity (and its cost) is negligible. My Electricity bill triples in the summer due to the A/C running (the ambient temp is around 105F outside from June-August), but my computer does not impact my bill. I was on vacation in February and consequently did not have my computer on much of the month and the cost diff was almost nothing relative to January/March.

As an aside, the ambient temp in my room is usually close to 80F and I have not experienced any "flame out" of my parts either. My dual overclocked Celerons lasted over 4 years running 12/7/365 and my overclocked Mobile Athlon has served me well for over 1 year.

As long as you have good ventilation to your case (and dust it out regularly) you should have great luck with your parts (overclocked or otherwise).

In summary, I think that for *most* people, there will be a minimal impact to their electrical bill going with this setup versus a currently overclocked setup.

Nice find,
ChunkyBarf

 

[Markfw]

I got my Big TYphoon today, and I wanted to update on my OC. 3.5 on stock volts ! I am happy about that, but that the best it will do. It would only do 3 ghz on the stock cooler. Temps holding 45c ! Incredible ! It seems to be a better OC'ing chip than my 820.

 

[Bork]

Ha, you guys r funny, like u care about your electric bill when OC'ing. How's this for cheap 4GHz, an overclocked Dell E510 !

 

[Mr Vain]

All this talk about saving power, I bet no one has taken into account that the potential extra heat generated by an Over clocked 805 D may add to warming up the house a bit in the colder months and therefore reduce your other heating costs from heating oil, natural gas etc.

 

[gplracer]

I think the most valid question here would be how does this cpu when overclocked to a reasonable level compare with a similar priced single core opteron that is overclocked to a reasonable level.?