*4-17-2003 UDPATE* First Reviews Ready. Intel 865/875 (Springdale/Canterwood)

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Lifer
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4-17-2003 UDPATE: Our ASUS P4C800 Deluxe review has just been posted. Enjoy.

4-17-2003 UDPATE: Gigabyte 8KNXP Ultra review was posted last night, here.

4-14-2003 UDPATE: We posted our first two reviews related to the Intel 875P chipset (formerly known as Canterwood) here and here.

Assuming nothing changes in the next 2 weeks, we should have a slew of Canterwood reviews on or slightly after April 14th. Springdale reviews will come in mid-May, and while we're fairly certain May 16th is the day, that date has become less than 100% sure with recent information we've received. Either way, expect Springdale coverage once our NDA is up in ~ mid-May.

Anyway, if there's anything you are particularly interested in that you'd like us to add to our Canterwood/Springdale coverage, by all means post your thoughts in this thread. I will be updating this thread daily if I receive any new information worth posting.

New Roundups Strategy

Our strategy for motherboard roundups has changed in the last few weeks. In the past we would post a roundup of several motherboards on the day of a launch; for example, our first 845PE and E7205 (Granite Bay) reviews were roundups of 3 motherboards on the day these chipsets were launched by Intel. Now, our new strategy dictates that we will simply post several individual reviews on the day of the launch; so three individual Canterwood reviews will go up on April 14th (assuming we have three Canterwood boards by then of course), or one Canterwood review on the 14th, 15th and 16th in the worst case. Once there's around a dozen or so Canterwood boards available in the retail channel from reputable online vendors, we'll do a nice and concise roundup of those Canterwood boards with a page or two dedicated to each board, and declare a winner at the end.

Our new motherboard roundup policy actually requires more work, but in return it should greatly benefit a large portion of our readers who don't want to flip through a daunting 40 page roundup (like this one) to find what they're ultimately looking for; the best motherboard based on a particular chipset that meets their needs.
 

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I really can't wait for these boards to hit the streets. I am contemlating building an Intel system soon for my own personal home use and from what I've read these chipsets (along with the CPUs of course) may be what I'v been waiting for.

Evan, I'd like to see direct apples to apples to comparisons between the new motherboards and existing Intel chipset boards. I'd also like to see a direct comparison between nForce2/Barton systems and Springdale/Canterwood systems.

I think an interesting way to benchmark systems against each other would be use real applications not just benchmark suites or games. For example, use Seti@Home or some other similar program to see how fast each system crunches a WU. Then tweak each system and show how it's performance changed with regards to the application. I'd love to see how adding memory or upping the FSB affect the platform's ability to do real work.

Maybe I ask for too much but then again maybe not. Either way I'm waiting with bated breath.
 

poldi1

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Hi Evan,

good idea, the new review scheme! Well I would also love to see a direct comparison to the fastest available boards like the granite bay boards and SiS655. Of course overclocked and not overclocked.


Thanks.
 

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Evan sounds like a great new review scheme, I'm eagerly awaiting these boards with bated breath.

Are you going to give a little info on the P4 C version release dates also?
 

MarcusClifford

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Will you be able to test with real P4C (800MHz FSB) processors?
[*]Can you test the S-ATA performance as well as standard (EIDE - ATA100) performace (Ideally with the WD Raptor 360 Drive)
[*]If you have Gigabit Ethernet available, can you test the inbuild Gigabit Ethernet, as there has been lots of discussion about CSA - some boards do not intend to use the Intel Network chip - e.g. Asus.
[*]Please do most of the test using a factory standard configuration i.e. do not overclock
[*]Test in Dual Memory Channel confguration (TwinX 3200-LL from Corsair is possible)
[*]Test with AGP 8X graphics cards to check there are no problems like with the Granite Bay system.

Which motherboards do you intend to test first?

My shortlist at the moment is 1st - Abit IC7-G, 2nd Gigabyte offering (not the SCSI320 Model though), 3rd ASUS P4C800

I am really looking forward to this review.
 

Fallen Kell

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I am with MarcusClifford on this. Could you please test the Gigabit Ethernet, especially on the Asus since they are not using Intel's gigethernet chip? I just want to see why other then possible costs) they would go out of spec on this new CSA bus and the performance increase/decrease that goes with that decision. Are they even using the CSA bus? I havn't been able to find that info from Asus. If they are not using the new bus, then there should be a fairly bit performance hit to operation, as a tue gigabit connection will all but max the PCI bus.
 

cbuchach

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I guess I want to put a third vote in for the onboard ethernet testing and specifically evaluating the new bus in comparison with the standard PCI bus. Also taking a look at the new Intel SATA RAID features would be a must for these reviews--ie. is it a mature solution in comparison with the other major players in the RAID market (Highpoint, Promise, Silicon Image). After all this is Intel's first bid at RAID controllers and the first integration into the Southbridge.

Also memory testing for compatibility and stability should be performed with regards to the new JEDEC spec'ed DDR400 memory.

But I am looking forward to the reviews as I am eagerly waiting to purchase a Canterwood board to replace my old KT133A board.
 

la400

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I would like to second the SATA RAID review request specifically. For many, many of us enthusiasts (who can't wait to raid0 a pair of raptors along with the expected high speed of the canterwoods) RAID comparison against the silicon image and Highpoint 1520 SATA RAID cards is especially important.

Thanks a million. You guys are the best.

Gurgen
 

DaisyCutter

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Evan,
What concerns me most is the overclockability. I need 190+ fsb to make my 2.66 do what I need...so I'll need 250+fsb to make a 3.2 (16x200) work. If not, I'll just buy a 3.06 when the price plummets. I think the 3.2 is gonna struggle to make 4 gHz. Additionally, will Canterwood/Springdale be backwards compatible to 533fsb cpu's?
C
 

onelin

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Do you know if/when there will be micro-ATX canterwood boards? I would love to see some of those reviewed, since IMHO, this board BEGS to be micro-atx. I'm drooling over the MSI board from the CeBit pic.

/me knows the perfect case to throw one in if so
 

Fallen Kell

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online0: About the micro-ATX canterwood boards... I honestly don't think anyone will be making them. The main reason is that the board is designed to be used as a workstation class system (hence the use of ECC checked RAM). Maybe someone will produce one if there is enough demand, but I would bet on seeing a micro-ATX Springdale and not a Canterwood first.
 

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just made my day!!!!
Here are some things I would like to see:
- Comparison to NForce2 mobos set at 400mhz FSB
- Use of Corsair TwinX PC3200LL mem
- Comparison to Rambus based systems
 

onelin

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Originally posted by: Fallen Kell
online0: About the micro-ATX canterwood boards... I honestly don't think anyone will be making them. The main reason is that the board is designed to be used as a workstation class system (hence the use of ECC checked RAM). Maybe someone will produce one if there is enough demand, but I would bet on seeing a micro-ATX Springdale and not a Canterwood first.

Thanks for the info, I don't really need the ECC myself so I'm sure Springdale would be fine. It wouldn't be a bad thing, though, since some of the boxes I'd want them in would be servers.
 

Wurrmm

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Are these things suppose to have comparable onboard sound to the soundstorm??
 

jaeger66

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Evan, PLEASE make every effort to determine which boards use CSA. Asus propaganda implies they don't, but I'd really love to know for sure.

And PLEASE benchmark single channel DDR400 as well as dual DDR400.
 

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Originally posted by: jaeger66
Evan, PLEASE make every effort to determine which boards use CSA. Asus propaganda implies they don't, but I'd really love to know for sure.

And PLEASE benchmark single channel DDR400 as well as dual DDR400.

OK, but you'll have to say the magic word.
 

Wurrmm

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I have a feeling single channel is not going to perform as well at all. The reason it is dual is to provide adaquite bandwidth.
 

jaeger66

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Originally posted by: Wurrmm
I have a feeling single channel is not going to perform as well at all. The reason it is dual is to provide adaquite bandwidth.

That's the idea, but my theory is that the gains from dual channel won't be as big as many will assume.
 

Fallen Kell

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Sorry if I confused people with my statement about ECC RAM. Basically what I was trying to state was that it would not have been designed to support that RAM if it was not intended to be used for workstation class computers.
 

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hmmmm

I would like to see the integrated Springdale/Canterwood Gigabit adapter put through it's paces and compared to a 845PE with integrated gig.

Preferably the test should be run with a 15K RPM SCSI hard drive.

Thanks!

 

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I have a quick question.... do the canterwood and springdale
chipsets support the upcoming presscot's??
 
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