*4-17-2003 UDPATE* First Reviews Ready. Intel 865/875 (Springdale/Canterwood)

[Paradoxx]

Has anyone seen a Gigabyte GA-8KNXP for sale yet. Any idea when. It seems like the last one to hit the market. If it will be too long I will have to buy the ASUS.

 

[Scroatdog]

I see. Thank you for your reply. It would appear that even if I did find a board with the SATA on the ICH5, not having CSA would prove to be a detriment to performance.

No ASUS for me, I guess. I will hold out for Abit then. Don't know anything about Aopen, and I don't really like the 6 memory slot on the Gigabyte. I think it's useless.

 

[brinjin]

Evan, when can we expect to see the Aopen AX4C-Max reviewed? I noticed it wasn't involved in the benchmarking.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: brinjin
Evan, when can we expect to see the Aopen AX4C-Max reviewed? I noticed it wasn't involved in the benchmarking.

I think Evan mentioned that AOpen did not send a board.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: Paradoxx
Has anyone seen a Gigabyte GA-8KNXP for sale yet. Any idea when. It seems like the last one to hit the market. If it will be too long I will have to buy the ASUS.

Essential Computer has the GB low-end 875 board($180), but not the 8KNXP yet. I would assume it will be in any day now.

 

[jaeger66]

I had my heart set on the Abit, but now I'm leaning towards the Gigabyte 8KNXP. I downloaded the manual, and I'm very impressed. GB has always had rather skimpy documentation, but it looks like they actually hired a native English speaker to write it and it's very thorough. Plus I like the layout better and there's more drive flexibility. I could do without the garish color scheme, but that's a minor detail at most. Hmm...

 

[viscero]

Out of all the new 875 boards I truly hope that either the abit or msi review is next on their list. I think there are quite a few people holding their breath for the Abit as well as myself. However, though I have never owned one, did anyone else notice that the MSI based 875 board in all of their reviews consistently makes it into the top 3 scores in every test. Or at least 99% of them? On a side note, has anyone heard of Epox making an 875 based board? Thus far I have to say I'll be going Abit unless the price is crazy-steep.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: viscero
Out of all the new 875 boards I truly hope that either the abit or msi review is next on their list. I think there are quite a few people holding their breath for the Abit as well as myself. However, though I have never owned one, did anyone else notice that the MSI based 875 board in all of their reviews consistently makes it into the top 3 scores in every test. Or at least 99% of them? On a side note, has anyone heard of Epox making an 875 based board? Thus far I have to say I'll be going Abit unless the price is crazy-steep.

Epox will have an 875, but I've seen no news of it lately. MSI makes nice hardware, but their support is awful. And I don't mean just tech support but BIOS as well. If a chipset wide fix is issued, you can be sure that MSI will be dead last to implement it.

 

[Wurrmm]

Does anyone know when the lower speed CPUs will be out, such as the 2.8GHZ w/HT and 800mhz FSB?? Is it May 11th?

 

[Intelligence3]

How important is CAS for the average end user? I'll be using the machine over DSL to play games and other general home use. It's unlikely I'd do anything really intensive but serve games off the machine.

 

[WizardNJ]

The new Canterwood chipset motherboards with an 800 MHz fsb cpu and dual ddr will run every game out there with plenty of performance. Setting the latency from 2,6,2,2,1T to 3,7,3,3,2T would not be noticeable in everyday tasks. So it might take an extra 20 seconds to encode an mpg file. Would you notice? Not normally. Just that us speed freaks need to squeeze every drop of performance we can out of our rigs. LOL

Dave

 

[Intelligence3]

You know, I looked at it and looked at it, and couldn't figure out what was wrong. I mean CSA not CAS.

 

[WizardNJ]

ahhh, csa. Unless you have a very fat pipe connection to the backbone and transferring large amounts of data through that very fat pipe then you will never notice a defference. Even on my 10 meg download connection I cannot come close to maxing out the pci bus.

For narmal game hosting (roughly 100kB/s max) there would be virtually no difference between the Ethernet connection through CSA or through the PCI bus unless you have some other PCI bus traffic that is hogging up the bus. I think CSA is somehting we will not see an advantage of as home users.

Dave

 

[ChefJoe]

I'm just tired of copying 1 hr tv records from my snapstream box/HTPC to my main system for late night viewing and having that stuttering. Even with 100 mbit, that's 70 seconds where I cannot watch a wmv without stuttering. CSA babay!

 

[tjdavis1138]

I have one 512mb Corsair CMX512-3200C2 64X64 400MHZ CAS2 memory stick. If I bought another one at Mwave, would this work ok in the Canterwood motherboards?

Thanks,

 

[shoman94]

Yes...

 

[WizardNJ]

Hey Shoman, did you notice with fsb @ 150 that the PCI and AGP divider readjsted to keep them at 33/66 ? I noticed it when I ran this at 225 and 240 fsb.

Dave

 

[jose]

ChefJoe

What hard drives do you have in both of your systems ?

You'd have to have both systems w/ csa to see any difference if any.

I'd think a 15k-10k rpm scsi drive would make a greater difference than csa.

you'll have to get a 1gigbit switch w/ both systems running csa mobo's.

I've been running scsi for 14 yrs. you can see the difference in response time.

Regards,
Jose

 

[Intelligence3]

Originally posted by: WizardNJ
ahhh, csa. Unless you have a very fat pipe connection to the backbone and transferring large amounts of data through that very fat pipe then you will never notice a defference. Even on my 10 meg download connection I cannot come close to maxing out the pci bus.

For narmal game hosting (roughly 100kB/s max) there would be virtually no difference between the Ethernet connection through CSA or through the PCI bus unless you have some other PCI bus traffic that is hogging up the bus. I think CSA is somehting we will not see an advantage of as home users.

Dave

Thanks. I might go with the Asus, then.

 

[ChefJoe]

Originally posted by: jose
ChefJoe

What hard drives do you have in both of your systems ?

You'd have to have both systems w/ csa to see any difference if any.

I'd think a 15k-10k rpm scsi drive would make a greater difference than csa.

you'll have to get a 1gigbit switch w/ both systems running csa mobo's.

I've been running scsi for 14 yrs. you can see the difference in response time.

Regards,
Jose

It's not the transfer rate that bothers me, it's the way that the recieving computer's MBM5 CPU meter goes up to 50% and my computer bogs down. I figured the CSA and SATA would both help to relieve that.

Drives: In this case, the source computer is a Maxtor 740DX plugged into the Highpoint 370 controller on the Abit BE6-II 2.0 (winXP) and the reciever is a IBM 60GXP 60 gig drive plugged into the IDE0, master on the Asus TUSL2c (win2k).

I have an adaptec 2940AU and an IBM 9 gig scsi drive, it's just that I use that drive as my backup to/swap file drive (it's in a 4 bay side tower on a different PSU). It's just that that scsi drive is slow by modern standards and I am trying to run quiet.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Paradoxx
So why not the ASUS, what else is wrong with it besides the CSA?

No CSA is a deal killer IMO, but as far as other stuff it's more what they have than what the Asus doesn't. The GB is better laid out with more IDE options, the Abit is just a great overall package with a more rugged voltage regulation and the ability to use ATAPI drives on the SATA ports.

Do you use GbE?? If you don't, then what's the big deal?

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: NFS4




Do you use GbE?? If you don't, then what's the big deal?

Yes, I do. And even if I didn't, I still have a SCSI card, TV/capture card, and sound card on the PCI bus.

 

[jaeger66]

BTW, small GigE switches are like $150. So it's not like it's some useless thing for a far-flung future.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: NFS4




Do you use GbE?? If you don't, then what's the big deal?

Yes, I do. And even if I didn't, I still have a SCSI card, TV/capture card, and sound card on the PCI bus.

May I ask where/what are you using GbE for? I don't know of many home users (or businesses for that matter) that use it. Most businesses that I have done work/cabling for use 100Mb.

Anyway, besides the SCSI card, I don't imagine a capture card or sound card taking up much PCI bandwidth

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: NFS4




Do you use GbE?? If you don't, then what's the big deal?

Yes, I do. And even if I didn't, I still have a SCSI card, TV/capture card, and sound card on the PCI bus.

May I ask where/what are you using GbE for? I don't know of many home users (or businesses for that matter) that use it. Most businesses that I have done work/cabling for use 100Mb.

Anyway, besides the SCSI card, I don't imagine a capture card or sound card taking up much PCI bandwidth

I have 3 PCs. Mine, my gf's, and a small server that hosts music and movies. The server hosts media for the other 2(or the TV's next to them). And when I encode DiVX, I don't screw around. I rip my discs(yes I do own them) to obsessive quality so most of my movies are 1.5GB and up. Being able to get them from point A to point B quickly is nice.