*4-17-2003 UDPATE* First Reviews Ready. Intel 865/875 (Springdale/Canterwood)

[WizardNJ]

Just did a clean install on XP Pro here. With all the playing last week I wanted to get a fresh start

Been running the stock heatsink that came with the P4 3.0 GHz. With the stock heatsink I'm getting idle about 93 F and max cpu load of 114 F (using MBM 5.30 to monitor). This is at stock 3.0 GHz speed.

Let me reboot to 3.60 GHz and check temps.

Dave

 

[Scroatdog]

Originally posted by: WizardNJ
Just did a clean install on XP Pro here. With all the playing last week I wanted to get a fresh start

Been running the stock heatsink that came with the P4 3.0 GHz. With the stock heatsink I'm getting idle about 93 F and max cpu load of 114 F (using MBM 5.30 to monitor). This is at stock 3.0 GHz speed.

Let me reboot to 3.60 GHz and check temps.

Dave

Thanks. I appreciate it. I'm sure over the course of the next few weeks I will have many more questions for you. So, 93 and 114 equates to 38.8C Idle and 45.5C Load. Not too bad..... The 3.6 temps should be interesting with the stock HSF. Newegg is out of the Aopen, but googlgear has some. I kind of want to stick with newegg for their great return policy and overall great company they are. Doesn't seem like googlegear is quite as good, ya know?

 

[WizardNJ]

at stock speed (3.0 GHz, 400 MHz ram, vcore 1.55 volts) the max temp is 115 F which is 31.8 C.

At 3.60 GHz (240 MHz fsb, ram at 383 MHz, vcore at 1.60 volts) the max temp is 127 F which is 38.5 C.

I do not normally run my systems overclocked except just to see what they can do. Just like having that Corvette out on the open highway ))

I have one extra AX4C-Max still but I think my friend is going to take it. Had 3 of them, one went back under RMA when I thought it was defective (was the Corsair ram not running @ 400 MHz @ 2.5 volts).

Dave

 

[WizardNJ]

oops! double post

 

[Scroatdog]

Originally posted by: WizardNJ
at stock speed (3.0 GHz, 400 MHz ram, vcore 1.55 volts) the max temp is 115 F which is 31.8 C.

At 3.60 GHz (240 MHz fsb, ram at 383 MHz, vcore at 1.60 volts) the max temp is 127 F which is 38.5 C.

I do not normally run my systems overclocked except just to see what they can do. Just like having that Corvette out on the open highway ))

I have one extra AX4C-Max still but I think my friend is going to take it. Had 3 of them, one went back under RMA when I thought it was defective (was the Corsair ram not running @ 400 MHz @ 2.5 volts).

Dave

Wizard,

I think those calculations may be a bit off. I'm coming up with 46.1 Celcius for 114F, and 52.7 Celcius for 127F!!

I used this link: Fahrenheit/Celcius Converter

Sounds a little hot to me, but that may be the inefficiency of the stock cooler that has not yet been revealed during comprehensive reviews???

Or maybe that site is not accurate??? I doubt it though, because I got pretty much the same thing on a few other sites. Be careful!!!

 

[Grimp]

at stock speed (3.0 GHz, 400 MHz ram, vcore 1.55 volts) the max temp is 115 F which is 31.8 C.

Wow, that is with air cooling? :Q What's the case temp like in your computer?

 

[WizardNJ]

Yes, my math was off. Damn haven't done F to C calculation is so long.

At 3.0 GHz (stock) max temp is 46 C, or 115 F and at 3.60 GHz max temp is 53 C, or 127 F.

Maybe I'll get ambitious this week and install the MCX4000 with Artic Silver II.

Dave

Originally posted by: Scroatdog

Originally posted by: WizardNJ


Wizard,

I think those calculations may be a bit off. I'm coming up with 46.1 Celcius for 114F, and 52.7 Celcius for 127F!!

I used this link: Fahrenheit/Celcius Converter

Sounds a little hot to me, but that may be the inefficiency of the stock cooler that has not yet been revealed during comprehensive reviews???

Or maybe that site is not accurate??? I doubt it though, because I got pretty much the same thing on a few other sites. Be careful!!!

 

[DOOPYLOOPY]

ahh that makes more sense, 36C at 3.6 max is absolutely chilling.

 

[Scroatdog]

OK,

What kind of memory should I be buying for the Aopen AX4c??? Corsair PC3500 C@ (2 sticks 256), PC3700??, or OCZ PC3500 EL ??? Or maybe something from Geil??? If I understand correctly, buying higher than DDR400 give you extra headroom on the memory side so you can O/C the FSb and have the memory frequency close to the FSB so they are working on the same level, or "synchrinous", right???

I don't unserstand the timings they advertise, so I'm unsure of what I should buy. I know NOT to get the LL stuff, right???

 

[Scroatdog]

Sorry. Double post.

 

[WizardNJ]

Originally posted by: Scroatdog
OK,

What kind of memory should I be buying for the Aopen AX4c??? Corsair PC3500 C@ (2 sticks 256), PC3700??, or OCZ PC3500 EL ??? Or maybe something from Geil??? If I understand correctly, buying higher than DDR400 give you extra headroom on the memory side so you can O/C the FSb and have the memory frequency close to the FSB so they are working on the same level, or "synchrinous", right???

I don't unserstand the timings they advertise, so I'm unsure of what I should buy. I know NOT to get the LL stuff, right???

 

[WizardNJ]

I tried the Corsair PC3500C2 to replace the PC3200LL that wouldn't work at 400 MHz/2.5 volts. The PC3500C2 worked with default timing but would not work at 2,6,3,2 where the OCZ PC3200EL would work at 2,6,3,2. Both were tested at 2.5 volts. I'd suggest the OCZ PC3500EL twin pack (for dual channel DDR).

Remember when putting the ram on the motherboard use the two blue slots for two sticks in dual channel ddr.

Dave

Originally posted by: Scroatdog
OK,

What kind of memory should I be buying for the Aopen AX4c??? Corsair PC3500 C@ (2 sticks 256), PC3700??, or OCZ PC3500 EL ??? Or maybe something from Geil??? If I understand correctly, buying higher than DDR400 give you extra headroom on the memory side so you can O/C the FSb and have the memory frequency close to the FSB so they are working on the same level, or "synchrinous", right???

I don't unserstand the timings they advertise, so I'm unsure of what I should buy. I know NOT to get the LL stuff, right???

 

[Willy9Boy]

Like a lot of others, I am planning to upgrade to an i875 system. I do have a question about memory speed. The boards are DDR400 (PC3200) and I see that some are going to use up to PC3700 for overclocking. Is this really needed with the synchronous and asynch settings? See the reasoning below, assuming a 3.0-800 CPU with multiplier of 15.

Synch settings (1:1)
Fsb CPU DDR
200 3000 300
250 3750 375
266 3990 399

Asynch (5:4)
200 3000 240
250 3750 300
266 3990 319
333 4995 400

It seems by the calculations above that anything over DDR400 is a waste of money because it is unlikely that the CPU will make it to 266 fsb let alone 333 fsb. Even if it could go faster than 266, one could always change to the 5:4 setting. So my question is,
Why would I need faster memory than DDR400 for the Canterwood board?

 

[viscero]

Please forgive my ignorance on the subject.. but why has MSI gotten themselves a bad rep in the past for mainboards? Someone had mentioned that earlier and I was under the impression that their boards were fairly good. Is it a certain issue such as tech support? Or is it something far more serious like lots and lots of boards that won't boot at all? Any information on this is appreciated; post links to info if ya can. Thanks


LOOK ----->>>>>
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=MSI+neo

 

[Wurrmm]

Going back to that TwinX LL memory glitch, does the same thing happen on HyperX modules that are also programed at those same timings?

 

[alancabra]

If this is a bonehead question I apologize in advance to whomever might be offended. In reality if you are offended I'll meet you buy the shed. :{

I want to use a P4 2.53 533 temporarily in the GA-8KNXP. I was thinking that it would be smart for me to buy PC3200 memory for the future. The Gigabyte manual for this motherboard states the following:

Due to chipset (Intel 875p) architecture limitation, DDR 400 memory module is only supported when using FSB 800 Pentium 4 processor. A FSB 533 Pentium 4 processor will support DDR333 and DDR266 memory module.

Link to the Manual


My question is pretty simple really. If I buy DDR400 memory can I use it as DDR333 memory with a P4 533 FSB processor?

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Also, I noticed that this board doesn't support APG2x or 1x video cards unless they are 4x compliant. Just and FYI.

alan

 

[jpetermann]

My question is pretty simple really. If I buy DDR400 memory can I use it as DDR333 memory with a P4 533 FSB processor?

Quick answer - YES!

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: alancabra



My question is pretty simple really. If I buy DDR400 memory can I use it as DDR333 memory with a P4 533 FSB processor?

Yes.

 

[alancabra]

Yes Yes! Great, re: DDR400 as DDRlesser


Another question: I can't recall if I have seen this but the LAN CSA stuff is not on the PCI bus but it appears to be on the same southbridge channel. What does this mean in terms of speed? I guess I'm curious just like the rest of you are to see if CSA really works.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: alancabra
Yes Yes! Great, re: DDR400 as DDRlesser


Another question: I can't recall if I have seen this but the LAN CSA stuff is not on the PCI bus but it appears to be on the same southbridge channel. What does this mean in terms of speed? I guess I'm curious just like the rest of you are to see if CSA really works.

CSA runs directly to the north bridge, bypassing the Intel hub link completely. This was tested in Anand's 875 writeup, you will find results there.

 

[alancabra]

i just want to say that I'm one of those who thinks that the CSA move is a good one. To me it really doesn't matter that most people to have GbE. It's about the load and the age of the PCI bus. Also, the concept of the bus is to accomodate unknown devices. At this point in the stage of PC development we all know that 99% of all PC's are going to have communications. So why not designate a path just for that function? Harddrives should have the same priority as memory, video and now ethernet.

 

[alancabra]

CSA runs directly to the north bridge, bypassing the Intel hub link completely. This was tested in Anand's 875 writeup, you will find results there.

I'll take your word for it. I've read so many different reviews and tech specs in the last two days that I'm punch drunk. I'm trying to get a crash course since it's been years since I've been a down and dirty techie. My apologies.

 

[motojeff]

Shouldn't that be 200 3000 400 at 1:1?

Originally posted by: Willy9Boy
Like a lot of others, I am planning to upgrade to an i875 system. I do have a question about memory speed. The boards are DDR400 (PC3200) and I see that some are going to use up to PC3700 for overclocking. Is this really needed with the synchronous and asynch settings? See the reasoning below, assuming a 3.0-800 CPU with multiplier of 15.

Synch settings (1:1)
Fsb CPU DDR
200 3000 300
250 3750 375
266 3990 399

Asynch (5:4)
200 3000 240
250 3750 300
266 3990 319
333 4995 400

It seems by the calculations above that anything over DDR400 is a waste of money because it is unlikely that the CPU will make it to 266 fsb let alone 333 fsb. Even if it could go faster than 266, one could always change to the 5:4 setting. So my question is,
Why would I need faster memory than DDR400 for the Canterwood board?

 

[coffeesmurf]

yes ... 200 FSB --> 400 DDR (sync 1:1)

Originally posted by: motojeff
Shouldn't that be 200 3000 400 at 1:1?

 

[LittleBoo]

Just saw the Gigabyte GA-8IK1100 on NewEgg. A"low-end" 875P with no ICH5 going for $199 - ouch.