4:17AM Home Invasion

[NFS4]

The one thing that irks me is the thought of what would have happened if this drunk kid had made a sudden move or stumbled the wrong way in your presense. Would you have shot him?

I mean, my life is important to me, as well as the life of my family...but the thought of shooting a drunk, unarmed kid who stumbled into my house would weigh on my mind for quite some time.

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

Originally posted by: BennyD
i have no respect for anyone that keeps a gun

I have no respect for idiots like you.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: BennyD
i have no respect for anyone that keeps a gun

Do you have no respect for someone who has the balls to stand up for himself, either? Do you have no respect for someone who's responsible and intelligent enough to safely own and operate a firearm?

People with your attitude make me sick.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: NFS4
The one thing that irks me is the thought of what would have happened if this drunk kid had made a sudden move or stumbled the wrong way in your presense. Would you have shot him?

I mean, my life is important to me, as well as the life of my family...but the thought of shooting a drunk, unarmed kid who stumbled into my house would weigh on my mind for quite some time.

When somebody enters your house at 4:00 in the morning, uninvited, 99% of the time, they arent' there for tea and crumpets.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: NFS4
The one thing that irks me is the thought of what would have happened if this drunk kid had made a sudden move or stumbled the wrong way in your presense. Would you have shot him?

I mean, my life is important to me, as well as the life of my family...but the thought of shooting a drunk, unarmed kid who stumbled into my house would weigh on my mind for quite some time.

When somebody enters your house at 4:00 in the morning, uninvited, 99% of the time, they arent' there for tea and crumpets.

Exactly, If he moved the wrong way, didn't realize what he was doing, Mad Rat could have shot him on the spot...

I don't have much repsect for someone who parties and can't control themselves...

Going into the wrong house?

 

[BennyD]

i don't have a problem with individuals as such, rather the idea that people have to have guns.

can you not defend yourself with a bat?

i remember a few years ago, some guy was in his house by himself, when his daughter got home and had locked herself out of the house so she broke in.
the man shot her.
then he shot himself when he realised what he'd done.
this could have been avoided if the man had not had a gun.

with a gun, just a small flinch could end a life.

everyone seems to think that if someone comes into your house or property it is trespass and you can do what you like to them.
as far as i believe you are allowed to use the minimum amount of force neccasary to remove them from your property.

"last night someone broke into my property but thankfully i was able to shoot him in the spine" =/

whenever someone is shot tresspassing in america it is not a really big deal, if that happens here it makes the national news for months

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: NFS4
The one thing that irks me is the thought of what would have happened if this drunk kid had made a sudden move or stumbled the wrong way in your presense. Would you have shot him?

I mean, my life is important to me, as well as the life of my family...but the thought of shooting a drunk, unarmed kid who stumbled into my house would weigh on my mind for quite some time.

When somebody enters your house at 4:00 in the morning, uninvited, 99% of the time, they arent' there for tea and crumpets.

Listen the kid might not have been there for tea and crumpets, but he was a drunk unarmed KID. All I'm saying is that a bad situation could have been made even worse with the addition of the gun.

I'm no law professor, but I think that shooting (killing) a drunk, unarmed kid who stumbled into your house at 4:17AM could send you to a pound me in the ass prison.

 

[Lucky]

how the f*ck does he know in the dark if the kid is unarmed?

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Lucky
how the f*ck does he know in the dark if the kid is unarmed?

Yep,

What if he pulled a knife outta his back pocket?

Im not tryin to start anything, but WHO KNOWS with these people these days...

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Lucky
how the f*ck does he know in the dark if the kid is unarmed?

I read the post

" I can see his hands are empty and he's feeling the wall for a light switch."

The kid wasn't looking to fooking rob him, he just wanted to "phone home." Common sense. No robber in their right mind breaks into a house (without their gun drawn) and fumbles around looking for the light switch to find their way to the goods. He was drunk idiot plain and simple. And he could have easily been a drunk idiot shot dead.

I'm just saying, he knew the kid was drunk, and he knew he had nothing in his hands before he even talked to him yet he already had a gun on him.

 

[MadRat]

If I felt threatened he would have been dead no hesitation. The family comes first. I'd rather verify the identity of the intruder then to wrecklessly fire off a volley and ask questions later. If you've ever had kids that sleepwalk then you'd understand my concerns. It was pretty obvious he was no threat when I stood there watching him. I was hoping he'd leave quietly and nothing would have to escalate but when he gave up is when I introduced mister gun. If he had stumbled back outside he'd of got picked up by the cops without waking the family, which in my opinion is preferable to making a big loud scene.

I'm a light sleeper and cannot tolerate the outside lights popping on nor the sound of any noise. They are all flood control lights set for low sensitivity so its rare that weather sets them off. When they go off I investigate for obvious reasons. The house is really set up in my favour against the threat of intruders. They'd have to come in like the SAS to get past the main entry way. And for those that suggest I lock the doors, they normally are locked except for the main door which is the exception.

I regret that anyone denies themself the protection of a firearm, like I feel people that abuse the priviledge of owning firearms should not see the light of day again. I am not a militiaman, nor do I condone extremism. I am a just an average joe nobody in a quiet Midwestern town.

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Listen the kid might not have been there for tea and crumpets, but he was a drunk unarmed KID. All I'm saying is that a bad situation could have been made even worse with the addition of the gun.

I'm no law professor, but I think that shooting (killing) a drunk, unarmed kid who stumbled into your house at 4:17AM could send you to a pound me in the ass prison.

Contrary to popular belief, being a teenager does not excuse obviously stupid actions... The kid was well informed of the effects of alcohol I'm sure; it's one of the risks you take for doing something stupid.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: NFS4

Listen the kid might not have been there for tea and crumpets, but he was a drunk unarmed KID. All I'm saying is that a bad situation could have been made even worse with the addition of the gun.

I'm no law professor, but I think that shooting (killing) a drunk, unarmed kid who stumbled into your house at 4:17AM could send you to a pound me in the ass prison.

Contrary to popular belief, being a teenager does not excuse obviously stupid actions...

Damn straight it was stupid. Deserving of a possible bullet in the ass?? Nahhhhhhhhh

Lastly, locks on your door are made for a reason

 

[MadRat]

The safety never came off the gun, NFS4. Understand that I have no problem pointing the gun at an intruder that threatens the very existence of my household. But because there is always a chance it was my kid then you can be sure I'll take my time to verify the identity of the person coming in. And pointing at the head will not get you any result. Aim for the torso; if you do have to shoot the concussion will knock the intruder down and out even if you don't kill them. Shooting someone for the right reason would not bother me. Not getting my sleep does bother the hell out of me. If it wasn't for football rivalry games like Notre Dame vs. Purdue or Miami vs. Florida I'd be taking a nap right now.

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: BennyD
i don't have a problem with individuals as such, rather the idea that people have to have guns.

can you not defend yourself with a bat?

i remember a few years ago, some guy was in his house by himself, when his daughter got home and had locked herself out of the house so she broke in.
the man shot her.
then he shot himself when he realised what he'd done.
this could have been avoided if the man had not had a gun.

with a gun, just a small flinch could end a life.

everyone seems to think that if someone comes into your house or property it is trespass and you can do what you like to them.
as far as i believe you are allowed to use the minimum amount of force neccasary to remove them from your property.

"last night someone broke into my property but thankfully i was able to shoot him in the spine" =/

whenever someone is shot tresspassing in america it is not a really big deal, if that happens here it makes the national news for months

In the US the violent crime rate is at an all time low and gun ownership has risen at a dramatic rate and continues to do so while in Canada, England, Australia, South Africa and Japan violent crimes, and more important to this discussion, illegal gun use is on the rise.

In England unless you are in the upper class law enforcement never even shows up unless someone gets hurt.

In the US law enforcement has zero obligation to protect you from an intruder. The Supreme Court says so.

Your baseball bat will get you killed in short order!


MadRat handled himself exacty right! I feel much safer having the likes of him as a neighbor instead of a bunch of pansy liberals that think a locked door will stop anyone bent on illegal entry.

It is every Free Man's obligation to protect himself, his family or friends from crime. All the cops are for is to clean up the mess!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Hey, mom, he'll need a fresh pair of pants and underwear!

And everyone's alive without holes in them. Good job.

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Lucky
how the f*ck does he know in the dark if the kid is unarmed?

I read the post

" I can see his hands are empty and he's feeling the wall for a light switch."

The kid wasn't looking to fooking rob him, he just wanted to "phone home." Common sense. No robber in their right mind breaks into a house (without their gun drawn) and fumbles around looking for the light switch to find their way to the goods. He was drunk idiot plain and simple. And he could have easily been a drunk idiot shot dead.

I'm just saying, he knew the kid was drunk, and he knew he had nothing in his hands before he even talked to him yet he already had a gun on him.

Common Sense!? Common sense is that if someone breaks into my house at 4AM, he's up to no good. I don't care if he's a teen, he's broken into my house illegally and represents a threat to my safety.

A drunk idiot (plain and simple or not) can threaten my safety just as much as a sober genius. And he's damned lucky he's not a dead ex-drunk idiot. I'm not sure that I would have shown the same restraint that MadRat did.

 

[BigPotato]

Originally posted by: gotsmack
I most likely would have hit him with a chair or something, because I don't have a gun and I suk at fighting.

AHHAHAHAHHAAHA

FUNNY!

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: MadRat
And for those that suggest I lock the doors, they normally are locked except for the main door which is the exception.

That sounds a little backwards Glad all are safe though. You sound like Robocop with your "you can leave dead or alive".

 

[notfred]

Good work on not shooting him. He'll spend the night in jail, probably get probabtion, and I highly doubt he'll ever pull something like that again. He was a drunk high school kid who made a bad decision, it didn't hurt anyone, and despite what some people have said, he doesn't deserve to die for it.

 

[BigPotato]

so if the kid ha da gun and u had a bat.......U ARE SCREWED.

being smart and owning a gun is a great thing. being dumb and ignorant about owning guns....another story.

 

[gopunk]

that's hella weird... i just woke up from a dream i had about killing two people (which sucked because i didn't really want to kill them... it just happened). no joke. note to self: never kill people.... too much trouble.

 

[Magicthyse]

"Nobody locks there doors around here because its that type of town" and you have a gun for home defense?

(I presume home defense, as a responsible adult would have a firearm for any other purpose securely locked away)

You're cracked

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Glad it turned out OK for you and intruder, but in the concept of there is such a town where doors need not be locked is a myth. There certainly is such a thing as opportunistic break-ins, someone who would turn away from a locked door/forcing entry to simply turning a knob on an unlocked door. To each their own though, eh?

 

[mattyrug]

This happened here last summer. Living in a tourist town, the weekend crowd draws only the best drunks. Idiots that come in, pay $40 to get into a club, then spend $5 a pop on cans of bud.
Anyway, the story - This guy was drunk, wandering around downtown, thought he was at 'his' house, he breaks down a screen door, and crawls into the crib of a 3 year old baby. The parents were awoken when the baby started screaming, but the guy was out cold. When he comes to (just before the cops arrive), he flashes his badge and gun to the family. Turns out he was an out of town cop (we get many of 'em here on the weekends), also, the guy was naked, and had peed all over the place. I guess the next day he dosen't remember a thing, and was quite shocked to wake up in a jail cell, and even more shocked to see he made the front page of the paper! Later he tried to sue the family for slander, and endangering a police officer in the line of duty...... hmmmmm...... line of duty? was he undercover? I guess he had to 'blend in' with the drunk out-of-towners to get to the bottom of his case....... CASE OF BUD!
The story even got a blurb on CNN. I'm not quite sure what happened to him after that.