4-Door Luxury Cars With Manual Transmission?

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adlep

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Heads up: it may come as a surprise to you, but MAJORITY of the cars sold outside of the US and Canada DO USE a manual transmission.
 

3chordcharlie

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Heads up: it may come as a surprise to you, but MAJORITY of the cars sold outside of the US and Canada DO USE a manual transmission.
That's changing and will keep changing.

Ridiculously bad 3speed autos are a thing of the past, and manufacturing is getting better. You don't need a V8 in a subcompact to make an auto practical anymore.
 

Monster_Munch

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Nobody really buys cheap cars with auto transmissions in Europe because they have poor fuel economy compared to manuals, and that affects how much tax you pay. Luxury cars like Jaguars and M5s are often sold with auto gearboxes though.
 

Dman8777

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It isn't really a luxury car but a Subaru Legacy GT may be worth looking at.

4 doors
6 speed
265 hp
AWD
Recently updated and enlarged interior
 

Pantoot

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Nobody really buys cheap cars with auto transmissions in Europe because they have poor fuel economy compared to manuals, and that affects how much tax you pay. Luxury cars like Jaguars and M5s are often sold with auto gearboxes though.

The M5 was only available as a manual (with a clutch) for the stupid lazy Americans. The rest of the world got the SMG (which isn't really an automatic.)
 

Cheesetogo

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The M5 was only available as a manual (with a clutch) for the stupid lazy Americans. The rest of the world got the SMG (which isn't really an automatic.)

The U.S. got the SMG version too -- and it wasn't a true SMG anyways, it was a manumatic. The reason they brought the full manual version out was because the SMG was supposed to be terrible for regular driving.
 

Pantoot

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The U.S. got the SMG version too -- and it wasn't a true SMG anyways, it was a manumatic. The reason they brought the full manual version out was because the SMG was supposed to be terrible for regular driving.

Yes, it is a true SMG, and no, it isn't terrible for regular driving.

Edit: I realize I phrased the original response wrong, I meant that only the US got the option for a manual. The rest of the world didn't get a choice.
 
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PricklyPete

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The U.S. got the SMG version too -- and it wasn't a true SMG anyways, it was a manumatic. The reason they brought the full manual version out was because the SMG was supposed to be terrible for regular driving.

What? You are wrong on both of the statements you made. It is absolutely a true SMG and they only brought over the manual because a lot of American BMW car enthusiasts and potential buyers complained about the lack of a manual transmission.

While I love my manual transmissions, I do realize that we, as American car enthusiasts, have an oddly warped view when it comes to transmissions. Because we have been deprived of manual transmission in anything but the cheapest of vehicles or straight up sports cars, we get all excited about the idea of a manual in a sports sedan/wagon that isn't a 1.8l NA engine.
 

adlep

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That's changing and will keep changing.

Ridiculously bad 3speed autos are a thing of the past, and manufacturing is getting better. You don't need a V8 in a subcompact to make an auto practical anymore.

Not true...

Replace clutch == $500.00
Replace something in an auto transmission == starts at $1500 +++

Good luck convincing rational people all over the world to switch...
 

Monster_Munch

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The M5 was only available as a manual (with a clutch) for the stupid lazy Americans. The rest of the world got the SMG (which isn't really an automatic.)

Sorry I didn't mean to say M5, I meant the regular 5 series. The 520D is a big seller in the executive market and it usually comes with the BMW steptronic auto transmission.
 

alkemyst

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Not true...

Replace clutch == $500.00
Replace something in an auto transmission == starts at $1500 +++

Good luck convincing rational people all over the world to switch...

Lol...a clutch job is hardly $500 in many of these upper end cars. Also a clutch is a known maintenance item, one usually expects to replace it. An auto shouldn't need that unless it's maintenance (fluid/filter) wasn't followed or abused.
 

KIAman

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The only Luxury (as I define as luxury) sedan with manual I can recommend is the BMW F60 (5 series) 535/550 or the CTS/CTS-V.

I would recommend BMW 3 series but I would consider that a luxury compact, which is slightly different from pure luxury.
 

thomsbrain

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I just want to confirm that the Acura TL 6MT is ONLY available with SH-AWD. There are NO front-wheel-drive manual transmission Acura TL's from the current generation.

You will only read positive things about the car's performance and handling. Styling and center-stack ergonomics may be a different story. They did improve the styling this year, though.
 

3chordcharlie

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Not true...

Replace clutch == $500.00
Replace something in an auto transmission == starts at $1500 +++

Good luck convincing rational people all over the world to switch...

I generally prefer a manual transmission.

But you're still wrong.
 

Cheesetogo

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Yes, it is a true SMG, and no, it isn't terrible for regular driving.

Edit: I realize I phrased the original response wrong, I meant that only the US got the option for a manual. The rest of the world didn't get a choice.

My mistake. That's what happens when you don't do your research thoroughly enough I guess. There were a LOT of complaints about the SMG for daily driving though. Maybe they were overblown.
 

MoMeanMugs

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I'm generally uninspired by everything out there. A I already stated, I hate driving, so it's hard to get excited over a car. I looked at the suggestions here, and nothing really sways me. Guess I'll see if I can track down a 6MT. You'd think there would be one in the 4th largest city in the US, but nobody seems to have one. If I could get any car, it would be this:

http://www.factoryfive.com/hotrodhome.html

I don't have the space or patience to work on it though. If I could find a shop around here that I trusted, I'd get that and drop an L92/T-56 in it.
 

alkemyst

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I'm generally uninspired by everything out there. A I already stated, I hate driving, so it's hard to get excited over a car. I looked at the suggestions here, and nothing really sways me. Guess I'll see if I can track down a 6MT. You'd think there would be one in the 4th largest city in the US, but nobody seems to have one. If I could get any car, it would be this:

http://www.factoryfive.com/hotrodhome.html

I don't have the space or patience to work on it though. If I could find a shop around here that I trusted, I'd get that and drop an L92/T-56 in it.

lolwut...this has nothing to do with a 4 door luxury car. Also if you were looking for a true 4 door luxury car, this would be low hanging fruit..it's $19k + engine/trans/paint.

BTW it's setup for small block ford, not chevy...you perhaps would want a pro at this point to handle things for you.
 

MoMeanMugs

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Yes, I know it doesn't fit my requirements. I never said it was practical for any of my purposes. I know it's set up for a Ford drivetrain, but people have been stuffing LS1's in them just fine. Also, the price to do it right is about $60-80k. That $19k is for an unassembled/unpainted kit in a crate.
 

alkemyst

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Yes, I know it doesn't fit my requirements. I never said it was practical for any of my purposes. I know it's set up for a Ford drivetrain, but people have been stuffing LS1's in them just fine. Also, the price to do it right is about $60-80k. That $19k is for an unassembled/unpainted kit in a crate.

no about $45k...unless you are getting crazy with it.
 

MoMeanMugs

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Why build a project car and do it halfass? Why bother at that point...

Kit with options - ~25k
Painted (properly) - ~2k
L92 crate motor - ~13k
T-56 - ~2.5k
Rearend - ~2k

That's $45k in parts. Add labor and...
 

MoMeanMugs

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I have a friend that owns a paint shop. Thanks for being a douche nozzle that thinks he knows everything. I can see why you're not liked on these forums.
 
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