4 Men with 4 Very Different Incomes Open Up About the Lives They Can Afford

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zinfamous

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A family of just 3 here, there's no way we spend $10/mo on household goods like that. My wife probably uses $10/mo in toilet paper alone. Laundry detergent, softener, dryer sheets easily $20/quarter if not more. I'd say we easily spend $50-$70/mo on just household type goods, which we lump into our grocery spending since it is generally all done at the same time (Wal-Mart).

Well I'm going off of CostCo purchases. Since September, we've purchased 2 large..."bales" of toilet paper at $30 each. (just purchased the 2nd one, so that's another 6+ months in the future before it gets replaced). Paper towels, we use even less frequently.

I just splurged and spent $50 on 4 giant rolls of vacuum sealer bags through Amazon, but the previous lot @ 1/5 this amount lasted me for nearly 3 years...so I'm probably going to be good on that for a while?

a bottle of dish detergent gets about 3 months of use. I wash clothes every 2 weeks because I don't need to wash jeans more than once per week+ like some crazy person. I re-wear overshirts regularly and only replace undershirts on a daily basis (weather permitting such luxuries). So, laundry detergent lasts forever. Ditto dryer sheets (these are holdovers, currently...not sure when they were bought and for how much when they moved with us, but there is a huge pile of them).

Granted, without a kid such costs would be quite different compared to you; especially laundry expenses and anything related to cleaning messes.
 

zinfamous

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Exterous

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Interesting article. A couple of things stood out to me. The first was what the first 3 women said about the wage gap and especially what the article decided to quote from one of them.

I started working part time in my main job when my baby was 5 months old. I know I make less than male coworkers in the same field—I am less able to fully dedicate myself to my job like my male coworkers.

Got turned into this in big bold font:

"I KNOW I MAKE LESS THAN MALE COWORKERS IN THE SAME FIELD."

Nice reporting there.

The indebtedness of the teacher making $80k surprised me

And this shocked me about the 'Near poverty level' woman:
I just refinanced my car so the payment is about $360.

WTF
 

zinfamous

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Interesting article. A couple of things stood out to me. The first was what the first 3 women said about the wage gap and especially what the article decided to quote from one of them.



Got turned into this in big bold font:



Nice reporting there.

The indebtedness of the teacher making $80k surprised me

And this shocked me about the 'Near poverty level' woman:


WTF

Yeah, I can't decide which is crazier: the teacher with $80k and non-working husband having $20k in cc debt, or the poverty level mom with $360 car payment. Plus, her making $640/week isn't all that bad, really, considering that her husband is apparently paying for most if not all of the healthcare and, I'm assuming, regular child support, no? Granted, she lives in a very expensive part of the country.

She also spends waaay too much on groceries for what she can afford. Her temporary rent (living in temporary housing like that is certainly a stress that can't be overlooked) is still less than 1/4th her monthly take. I think month to month she should be able to get by decently enough if she trims some of those expenses...but her current zero ability to save wouldn't likely improve all that much.
 

TwiceOver

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weird how in these total 8 cases you see this one identical opinion:

wealthier people that pay more taxes: taxes seem fair
poorer people that pay little or no taxes: taxes are too high.

crazy what populist politics has done to generate such bizarre interpretations of reality in the middle and lower classes.

I have a very financially diverse group of friends. It amazes me when some of them complain about how much is taken out in taxes and then they get it all and then some back at the end of the year. But, I bite my lip and don't complain about what is taken from me.
 

Imp

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weird how in these total 8 cases you see this one identical opinion:

wealthier people that pay more taxes: taxes seem fair
poorer people that pay little or no taxes: taxes are too high.

crazy what populist politics has done to generate such bizarre interpretations of reality in the middle and lower classes.

You should have seen the bitching about the TFSA in Canada over the last year.

Same thing in Australia now with something called Negative Gearing for real estate.
 

rh71

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To be honest, that sounds tedious. I spent years consulting living a similar life...no bueno.

My first thought too. Every time I'm at a tail end of a cruise or nice vacation like Maui I long to come back to the familiar. Living out of a suitcase for an extended amount of time is not as fun as you'd think it would be and probably only a small % of the population could do it and enjoy it. Probably 20-25 year olds.
 

stlc8tr

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weird how in these total 8 cases you see this one identical opinion:

wealthier people that pay more taxes: taxes seem fair
poorer people that pay little or no taxes: taxes are too high.

crazy what populist politics has done to generate such bizarre interpretations of reality in the middle and lower classes.

I don't see why this is surprising. If you have enough to live a comfortable life, of course you'll more likely to be satisfied with the status quo, including taxes.
 

zinfamous

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I don't see why this is surprising. If you have enough to live a comfortable life, of course you'll more likely to be satisfied with the status quo, including taxes.

Well, my comment regarding populist politics is that the game is to garner support among the lower/middle classes into believing that taxes for the wealthy are just too much! Let's tax them less and we will all be better--oh and you, too, are just paying way too many taxes!

It doesn't hold any water because by and large, the wealthy both tend to be comfortable with their rate and even though they are paying more, the percentage out of their income is far, far, far less of a burden than it is for lower income people. That...and there are plenty of ways for the wealthy to escape paying assumed rates....but this is also true of lower income people that have nearly as many ways to avoid paying their own target rates, and even income taxes altogether.

There is this pervasive myth that somehow US workers pay far too much in taxes, when we are easily, and without any near equal, the lowest tax-burdened developed country in the world. The only countries with tax rates lower than the US tend to be despotic hellholes like Qatar and Russia....and Canada

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
 
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Jeff7

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The indebtedness of the teacher making $80k surprised me
That, and age 38 with so much in student loans and credit card debt. She did say that she went back for a Masters degree, so that's fresh student loan debt. Maybe she'll turn that around into something more profitable than where she's at now.
And I do see that she's the sole provider in the household, so there's 3 other people depending on that income.


And this shocked me about the 'Near poverty level' woman:
I just refinanced my car so the payment is about $360.
WTF
I drove a $5k used car for 12 years.
I wonder what the total car price was, and how long she'll be making those payments.



weird how in these total 8 cases you see this one identical opinion:

wealthier people that pay more taxes: taxes seem fair
poorer people that pay little or no taxes: taxes are too high.

crazy what populist politics has done to generate such bizarre interpretations of reality in the middle and lower classes.
Yeah. Some people scream about it as though the government was showing up to raid the refrigerator and dinner table and kick the dog on their way out, like they're a few dollars away from losing their two houses and living on the streets.
Such is the terrible cost of being part of a society, and everything inherent to that word and concept.




Well, my comment regarding populist politics is that the game is to garner support among the lower/middle classes into believing that taxes for the wealthy are just too much! Let's tax them less and we will all be better--oh and you, too, are just paying way too many taxes!
...
I love the people all upset about estate taxes that don't kick in unless it's more than $5M. Very few people will even bump into that at all, or come close.

Human beings generally cannot handle concentrated power, and concentrated wealth invariably brings power. Letting it accumulate indefinitely across generations is quite risky, pushing back toward a culture that includes things like highly-privileged bloodlines. That sort of system has historically not worked out well for the majority in such a society.



It doesn't hold any water because by and large, the wealthy both tend to be comfortable with their rate and even though they are paying more, the percentage out of their income is far, far, far less of a burden than it is for lower income people. That...and there are plenty of ways for the wealthy to escape paying assumed rates....but this is also true of lower income people that have nearly as many ways to avoid paying their own target rates, and even income taxes altogether.
Extreme example to show the point: Take 99% of a billionaire's assets, and they've still got $10M. You'll see a lifestyle change, but you'll be fine.
99% from someone with $10k in assets? You've got $100 left. Good luck.
Yes, you're helping to finance, in part, some people who were less fortunate. We apologize that you have to languish in a stable country with infrastructure and opportunities conducive to gaining a very high income at all.
 
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TallBill

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The million dollar guy is my spirit. I already save a third of my low income. If it shot up sure I'd buy more stuff but I'd save way more too.
 
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