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Zap

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Yeah, I have no desire to touch that beast...

I like touching. :wub:

Under STORAGE, the Marvell 9128 SATA Driver and the JMicron JMB36X Driver.

Under OTHERS there is the Intel ME Driver and the Renesas USB3.0 Driver.

The Marvell is probably the second set of SATA 6G ports, and are needed if they are used. The JMicron is probably the eSATA ports, and may be needed if they are used (if only JBOD mode, maybe not needed?). Intel ME (Management Engine) should be installed. Renesas should be installed if you expect to use the USB 3.0 ports.

They should all be "safe" to install. I have no idea why your boot time would suddenly and drastically increase like that, other than the possibility that one of the WD Black drives fell out of the array and the Marvell controller/drivers took time to bring it back online.

How the hell can a manufacturer basically so NO RAID and it shows nowhere on the website? I based my purchase upon the fact that the reviews for this drive are very very good. Really good.

You're thinking is all wrong. It's like buying an AMD graphics card and then being disappointed that you can't run your CUDA specific apps because AMD never mentioned it doesn't support CUDA.

Manufacturers will not say what a product does not include. Manufacturers will say what a product does include. WD never said the Black Edition drives were for RAID, but they do say their Raid Edition (currently called RE4) drives are for RAID.

I asbolutely must have a Mirrored RAID on my setup. My data is far too critical to risk losing.

RAID is not a backup.

If data is critical, you need daily backups. One easy way is to use a WHS box (can buy a pre-built one for $400 that supports up to 4x HDDs). RAID will not save you if you get a massive surge that breaks through your surge strip (a lightning strike can do it) and kills both your drives, or a faulty PSU that fries everything connected to it, or theft of your computer, or someone accidentally deleting files.

NewEgg took care of the hard drive situation. They will allow an exchange and with no re-stocking fee. Awesome on them. Now... what drives to get? That is the question.

Samsung F3R. The "R" means RAID version that won't drop out of arrays, and the "F3" models are really fast. You can get 1TB Samsung F3R for $100 each at Newegg. Note that you will want these drives for both your RAID1 storage partition as well as your RAID0 video scratch disk.

The RAID thing is astoundingly impossible to understand and there is zero documentation on how to do it. Why? I don't get it.

Well, my car didn't come with instructions on how to perform routine maintenance, but I figure I would let the experts do it.

However, MSI was kind enough to include basic instructions in their manual. If you have lost your copy, download it here. If you still can't find the pertinent sections, then I don't know what to say since I'm reading your motherboard manual and it is all right there.

STEP 1 (pages 3-14 through 3-16 in manual)
Enable RAID mode for Intel controller in UEFI/BIOS. To do this, enter UEFI, go to "Advance" settings, enter "Integrated Peripherals" sub menu. Find "SATA Configuration" and set it to RAID.
**Note specific to Matt Stevens** If Windows was installed with it set to something else, then you may have to reinstall Windows or regedit it to prepare for the change BEFORE you do the change. It is preferable to have RAID enabled before Windows install, but with only your SSD hooked up.

STEP 2
Once RAID mode is enabled and Windows is installed (with all drivers) shut the machine off and hook up ALL the other drives you want to use to the Intel controller. The Intel Controller has only 6 ports so you can use your two drives in RAID1, two drives in RAID0, one optical drive and your Intel SSD. If your Intel SSD is a model 510 and not a model G2, you will want to put it on the Intel SATA 6G ports. You will also probably want to install the Intel Rapid Storage Technology (RST) software to help you view RAID array info in Windows.

STEP 3 ("Appendix B" in manual)
Create the two RAID arrays in the Intel Matrix Storage Manager Option ROM. Wow, try saying that 5 times fast! To do this, press CTRL+I during POST (there will probably be a 2 second window to do this) when you see the message in the screenshot on page B-2 in your manual (ignoring drive information for now). You can clearly see the "Press <CTRL-I> to enter Configuration Utility" message. Once you enter the Intel Matrix Storage Manager, you need to create your two RAID arrays. Option #1 is to create a RAID volume. Go into it, and select RAID1 as the RAID level. Then, select disks and choose two of your Samsung F3R disks by highlighting it using arrow keys and pressing the space bar. Once you have your two disks selected, press ENTER. I recommend leaving stripe size and capacity at defaults. Arrow down to "Create Volume" and press ENTER. Repeat these steps for your RAID0 array excepting of course selecting RAID0 as the RAID level. You are pretty much done at this point. Ignore the "Installing Drivers" section because you are not installing Windows on the array and have already installed the drivers at this point.

STEP 4 (optional)
I recommend while you are selecting the drives for your array to note down the serial numbers of the drives and which array they belong in. This makes it easier to troubleshoot or replace drives down the line.

STEP 5
Create partitions in Windows, and enjoy your new RAID arrays.

NOTE: Give the "Degraded RAID Array" section on page B-12 a quick glance over. That info may be of use in the future. Note that NOT using "RAID edition" HDDs will get you really familiar with degraded arrays. D:

Matt Stevens, if all that still doesn't make any sense to you, then STOP what you are doing and pay someone to do it for you. You've insisted that your data is of paramount importance to you. Why risk it?
 

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or you could always use the software Raid in Windows 7 ... in disk management (right click computer then manage then find said option) you can create striped arrays and mirrored arrays.
 

Davidh373

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To edit uncompressed HD I need a RAID 0 (striping). That's flat out 100% required, unfortunately. So that will be installed next week via two Samsung 500GB Spinpoints.

Really? I edit 1080p HD off a single drive all the time without a problem.

There is documentation. It's everywhere. We aren't going to google for you. Just type in "How to create a RAID array". I just did, and it came up with many results. Also, if you are doing it in Bios, and not in the OS (which is what I recommend) search "in (insert bios and version here)". No biggie.

-Examples of bios'-

Phoenix Award Bios

American Megatrend

ect, ect.
 

Matt_Stevens

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David, I am not referring to 1080p from a DSLR or HD camcorder. 2k scans of 8mm or 16mm negatives that are uncompressed cannot reliably be edited using anything other than a RAID 0. Windows managed RAID 0 is slower than from the MB and I want to be as fast as I can for my editing purposes. I only wish I could afford WD Raptors.

ZAP, thank you for the detailed response. It is a big big help. I don't understand everything you said, but I do understand at least half. My manual has none of the information to listed. Maybe the box is missing the proper manual? Really weird. I'll download the one from your link.

When I installed the SSD and Windows for the 2nd time yesterday I set something in there to AHCI (don't remember exactly which part of the BIOS from memory) but nothing to RAID. I really really do not want to do a 3rd install of Windows though. The thought makes me want to puke. Especially since I won't have the proper drives for a raid for like two weeks!

What kind of a Reg-edit are we talking about? I can have one of my computer expert buds come over and help with that.

It appears I made some blunders in my purchases. I can't return all the drives I have. But if modern RAIDs require special hard drives (I never had to use them before and never ran into any problems) then I will just have to have the RAID 0 at first and (Lord help me) do manual backups until I have the money for a second set of RAID ready hdd's.

By the way, I know RAID 1 is not an official backup. I would use an external 2TB HDD for that all the time and when not using it, it will be disconnected from both power and the USB connection. RAID is peace of mind. It's instantaneous. If you forget to back up and a drive fails, you have the other one. I know this from experience.

Too bad I can't do jack about any of the RAID situation right now because I won't have any of the drives for the RAID for two weeks. I have to send the WD's back (dropped them off at UPS this morning) and then wait for the credit to come in. THEN buy the Samsungs and wait for their arrival. Good Lord.

This is really slowing me down. I want to get everything installed onto the SSD and start using the new system.

Do you think I can go ahead and get everything installed, use my Western Digtal Green Drive as the second drive for now so I can actually use my new PC and then when the Samsung drives get here, remove the Green Drive and install the raid0?
 

Davidh373

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It appears I made some blunders in my purchases. I can't return all the drives I have. But if modern RAIDs require special hard drives (I never had to use them before and never ran into any problems) then I will just have to have the RAID 0 at first and (Lord help me) do manual backups until I have the money for a second set of RAID ready hdd's.

You shouldn't need special drives.

Do you think I can go ahead and get everything installed, use my Western Digtal Green Drive as the second drive for now so I can actually use my new PC and then when the Samsung drives get here, remove the Green Drive and install the raid0?

Yes. As long as you aren't using the SSD in the RAID, you should have already done that.
 

Matt_Stevens

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The SSD is not in a RAID. As I have said before, I have NOT done anything with regards to RAID in this system yet. Nothing. Zip.

But the more I read, the more I want to pull my hair out. I am starting to think I need to start over, again, and install so that this system will ready ready ready for the RAID when the drives come.

From what ZAP is saying, I may have made a few whoopsidoos in my 2nd Windows install that will cause me problems later.

I can't pay anyone to do this for me. At the moment I am flat broke. There is no more money. None. Zero. I need to do it myself.

So i guess the thing is, do I start over and if so, which drivers do I install? That is the bone of contention. Some tell me to use MSi's drivers and some here say no, go to Intel and download drivers from there.

This is extremely confusing to me. I don't know which is right or what to do.
 

Matt_Stevens

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As I posted in your other thread, don't install any drivers from MSI's website or CD. Go out to the actual manufacturer's websites (Intel, etc.) and get and necessary drivers from there.

Which drivers do you mean? other than the SSD utility I don't see what drivers Intel would have for my motherboard and I certainly couldn't find anything in their download center. Then again, I don't know what to look for.
:'(

UPDATE: I did find this one, but which of the two? Just read the entire page three times and don't know. And this is just one driver. MSi's CD has many drivers.

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=19607&ProdId=3301&lang=eng

STEP 1 (pages 3-14 through 3-16 in manual)
Enable RAID mode for Intel controller in UEFI/BIOS. To do this, enter UEFI, go to "Advance" settings, enter "Integrated Peripherals" sub menu. Find "SATA Configuration" and set it to RAID.
**Note specific to Matt Stevens** If Windows was installed with it set to something else, then you may have to reinstall Windows or regedit it to prepare for the change BEFORE you do the change. It is preferable to have RAID enabled before Windows install, but with only your SSD hooked up.
ZAP, it was not set to RAID. Some others here told me to set it to AHCI and that is what I did. So question is, is that okay? Or is that no good for adding a RAID later?

I have all weekend so I really truly want to get this thing settled tomorrow. God help me if I am still working on this next week. I gotta work so I can eat and pay rent.
 
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mfenn

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Looks like Zap had an Excellent post to help you set up a RAID. Couple that with my links from the PMs and you should be good to go.
 

Matt_Stevens

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Yes, I think I am okay. I'm just a little confused by your mentioning an AMD GPU. That has me lost. I Pm'd you on it.

Tomorrow morning I will have just the SSD inside, the BIOS set to RAID and not AHCI, then I will install Windows.

Then the Intel drivers you listed (will these cover the MB and the RAID on it?).

The question is, then what drivers? I need the audio drivers so why not from the MSi CD?. Where else can I get them? MSi's website has the same ones.

I need the video drivers, but from where? MSi's CD and the version online look to be the same. Maybe I just go to nVidia's website?

Man, I want to be SURE of what I am doing this time. This has got to be it. 3rd time needs to be the charm.
 

mfenn

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Yes, I think I am okay. I'm just a little confused by your mentioning an AMD GPU. That has me lost. I Pm'd you on it.

Tomorrow morning I will have just the SSD inside, the BIOS set to RAID and not AHCI, then I will install Windows.

Then the Intel drivers you listed (will these cover the MB and the RAID on it?).

The question is, then what drivers? I need the audio drivers so why not from the MSi CD?. Where else can I get them? MSi's website has the same ones.

I need the video drivers, but from where? MSi's CD and the version online look to be the same. Maybe I just go to nVidia's website?

Man, I want to be SURE of what I am doing this time. This has got to be it. 3rd time needs to be the charm.

Yep, just install the Chipset and RST drives from Intel.

I'm really sorry about mentioning AMD GPU. For some reason, I thought that you had purchased a 6950. I should've double checked.

If the audio drivers aren't automatically picked up by Windows update, I'd grab them direct from Realtek since your board has a Realtek ALC892.

EDIT: Definitely go to Nvidia's website for the GPU drivers.
 

Matt_Stevens

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Damn, you guys are amazing. Please just transport your knowledge into my brain. It would really help.

I'm not giving up. In the morning I will go ahead and go for it a third time.
 

Matt_Stevens

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UPDATE: 3rd install of Windows 7 went well. Like advised, I changed from AHCI to RAID in the BIOS and then installed the OS.

My only confusion is, I don't know what drivers I have installed because Intel's website is confusing and the downloaded drivers and folders have cryptic names that don't mean anything to me.

I absolutely did install this...

Product: Intel(R) Chipset Device Software
* Release: Production Version
* Version: 9.2.0.1025
* Target Products: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family
* 2nd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) processor family
* Date: February 28 2011
However, the f6flpy-x64 (RAID) folder I downloaded from Intel's website (same page as the chipset stuff above) that is supposed to contain the RAID driver has no exe file. No actual file to install anything. In there I have TXTSETUP.OEM, two text docs, iastore and iaAHCI .cat files and the same in sys files.

Again, this was supposed to contain the RAID drivers, but I fail to see how to install them.

I also downloaded and installed something called iata_enu which is intel fotware for the mb, i think.

For the LAN driver I had to use the CD from MSi. It worked.

So, my basic question is, how do I get the RAID drivers installed?

Right now I am going to install the nvidia drivers for my GTX460. I'll be back soon. I hope.

This has got to be it for me. I have to do it RIGHT this time. 100&#37; on the money.
 

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I like touching. :wub:



The Marvell is probably the second set of SATA 6G ports, and are needed if they are used. The JMicron is probably the eSATA ports, and may be needed if they are used (if only JBOD mode, maybe not needed?). Intel ME (Management Engine) should be installed. Renesas should be installed if you expect to use the USB 3.0 ports.

They should all be "safe" to install. I have no idea why your boot time would suddenly and drastically increase like that, other than the possibility that one of the WD Black drives fell out of the array and the Marvell controller/drivers took time to bring it back online.



You're thinking is all wrong. It's like buying an AMD graphics card and then being disappointed that you can't run your CUDA specific apps because AMD never mentioned it doesn't support CUDA.

Manufacturers will not say what a product does not include. Manufacturers will say what a product does include. WD never said the Black Edition drives were for RAID, but they do say their Raid Edition (currently called RE4) drives are for RAID.



RAID is not a backup.

If data is critical, you need daily backups. One easy way is to use a WHS box (can buy a pre-built one for $400 that supports up to 4x HDDs). RAID will not save you if you get a massive surge that breaks through your surge strip (a lightning strike can do it) and kills both your drives, or a faulty PSU that fries everything connected to it, or theft of your computer, or someone accidentally deleting files.



Samsung F3R. The "R" means RAID version that won't drop out of arrays, and the "F3" models are really fast. You can get 1TB Samsung F3R for $100 each at Newegg. Note that you will want these drives for both your RAID1 storage partition as well as your RAID0 video scratch disk.



Well, my car didn't come with instructions on how to perform routine maintenance, but I figure I would let the experts do it.

However, MSI was kind enough to include basic instructions in their manual. If you have lost your copy, download it here. If you still can't find the pertinent sections, then I don't know what to say since I'm reading your motherboard manual and it is all right there.

STEP 1 (pages 3-14 through 3-16 in manual)
Enable RAID mode for Intel controller in UEFI/BIOS. To do this, enter UEFI, go to "Advance" settings, enter "Integrated Peripherals" sub menu. Find "SATA Configuration" and set it to RAID.
**Note specific to Matt Stevens** If Windows was installed with it set to something else, then you may have to reinstall Windows or regedit it to prepare for the change BEFORE you do the change. It is preferable to have RAID enabled before Windows install, but with only your SSD hooked up.

STEP 2
Once RAID mode is enabled and Windows is installed (with all drivers) shut the machine off and hook up ALL the other drives you want to use to the Intel controller. The Intel Controller has only 6 ports so you can use your two drives in RAID1, two drives in RAID0, one optical drive and your Intel SSD. If your Intel SSD is a model 510 and not a model G2, you will want to put it on the Intel SATA 6G ports. You will also probably want to install the Intel Rapid Storage Technology (RST) software to help you view RAID array info in Windows.

STEP 3 ("Appendix B" in manual)
Create the two RAID arrays in the Intel Matrix Storage Manager Option ROM. Wow, try saying that 5 times fast! To do this, press CTRL+I during POST (there will probably be a 2 second window to do this) when you see the message in the screenshot on page B-2 in your manual (ignoring drive information for now). You can clearly see the "Press <CTRL-I> to enter Configuration Utility" message. Once you enter the Intel Matrix Storage Manager, you need to create your two RAID arrays. Option #1 is to create a RAID volume. Go into it, and select RAID1 as the RAID level. Then, select disks and choose two of your Samsung F3R disks by highlighting it using arrow keys and pressing the space bar. Once you have your two disks selected, press ENTER. I recommend leaving stripe size and capacity at defaults. Arrow down to "Create Volume" and press ENTER. Repeat these steps for your RAID0 array excepting of course selecting RAID0 as the RAID level. You are pretty much done at this point. Ignore the "Installing Drivers" section because you are not installing Windows on the array and have already installed the drivers at this point.

STEP 4 (optional)
I recommend while you are selecting the drives for your array to note down the serial numbers of the drives and which array they belong in. This makes it easier to troubleshoot or replace drives down the line.

STEP 5
Create partitions in Windows, and enjoy your new RAID arrays.

NOTE: Give the "Degraded RAID Array" section on page B-12 a quick glance over. That info may be of use in the future. Note that NOT using "RAID edition" HDDs will get you really familiar with degraded arrays. D:

Matt Stevens, if all that still doesn't make any sense to you, then STOP what you are doing and pay someone to do it for you. You've insisted that your data is of paramount importance to you. Why risk it?
most excellent post man.
kudos.
 

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Unable to install SP1. It just errors at 18&#37; constantly. I had uissues with that yesterday, but after dozens of attempts it finished. Not so today.
 

Davidh373

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Unable to install SP1. It just errors at 18&#37; constantly. I had uissues with that yesterday, but after dozens of attempts it finished. Not so today.

Windows 7 SP 1? I've had a few friends try and fail to install that. I haven't even attempted yet. Not really making Microsoft look all that great, huh?...
 

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Took me about 20 trys on a desktop i was selling last week, i wanted to update it before i sold it. but i finally got it i had to use an Ethernet connection (was on wireless)
 

mfenn

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iata_enu.exe is installer for the RST drivers.
infinst_autol.exe is the driver pack that you want for the chipset.


Note that I've only ever installed the chipset drivers and afterwards installed the RST drivers. I don't know what the implications are of installing them in the opposite order.
 

Zap

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By request...

Matt_Stevens said:
The only confusion I have is whether or not I have the RAID drivers installed. I'm just not sure. Any way I can BE sure?

Much obliged. Any response should really be in my thread for the better learning of everyone.

If chipset RAID is enabled in BIOS and you install the two things mfenn listed, then all is good.
 

Matt_Stevens

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At the moment I am not sure if I installed one of those. I know the very first thing I installed were the chipset drivers, but the other one, I am not 100&#37; certain I installed it.

Will doing it again affect anything?
 

mfenn

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At the moment I am not sure if I installed one of those. I know the very first thing I installed were the chipset drivers, but the other one, I am not 100% certain I installed it.

Will doing it again affect anything?

No, installing it again won't hurt. In fact the installer will probably just complain and tell you that it is already installed.
 

Matt_Stevens

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This is good to know. I am about to do so. Fingers crossed. I will report back what happens.

Oh yes... if all goes as planned, I am going to try the two Samsung spinpoint drives in a RAID 0 Wednesday. The RAID edition Samsung drives (which I will use in a mirror) should arrive next week.
 

Matt_Stevens

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Just wanted to update this to say I have installed two Samsung drives in a RAID 0. Have not tested them out yet, but they are in and (finally) recognized, so now the testing begins.

Also, all my internal/on-board Intel SATA ports are now taken up, so the two remaining are the Marvell 6G ones. I need to mut a mirrored RAID on them.

Looks like I will have to cross my fingers and install the Marvell 9128 SATA Drivers.

More drivers. UGH!
 
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mfenn

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Just wanted to update this to say I have installed two Samsung drives in a RAID 0. Have not tested them out yet, but they are in and (finally) recognized, so now the testing begins.

Also, all my internal/on-board Intel SATA ports are now taken up, so the two remaining are the Marvell 6G ones. I need to mut a mirrored RAID on them.

Looks like I will have to cross my fingers and install the Marvell 9128 SATA Drivers.

More drivers. UGH!

You've got 6 Intel ports (2 6Gb/s and 4 3Gb/s), right? How did you use them all up?

ODD: 1
SSD: 1
RAID 1: 2
RAID 0: 2

Or is there another RAID set that I'm missing?
 

Matt_Stevens

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SSD
DVD-R
BD-Writer
Samsung 500GB X 2 in RAID 0.

That leaves one, which currently has my 1TB WD Green drive. I'd like to have two Samsung F3R's in a mirrored RAID and stick the Green Drive outside.

Not exactly sure the best way to go about all of this. I suppose I could just go ahead and install the Marvell Drivers and put the Green Drive on one of those SATA connection and that free up enough for the mirrored RAID on the Intel connections.

Maybe I am being too nervous about those Marvell Drivers? The ports are there, so why not use them?

An expert I am not, so I don't know the best way to do this. And I would also like to somehow get the case's front ESATA connection hooked up, if I can. Not a must have though. No big deal.

What I do know is that SSD rocks and right now this is the fastest, most stable system I have ever had the pleasure of using. Can't wait to get to work editing.
 
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mfenn

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Yep, SSDs are awesome!

If you're worried about the Marvell drivers (and I would be!), you can make an sector-by-sector backup of your current Windows installation using something like Easeus Backup. That way, if things get screwed up by the drivers, you can restore your previous image.
 
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