4 people who earn six figures and still feel broke

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sdifox

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I live in New Jersey and we have the largest exodus of people leaving the state EVER! It's expensive to live here. I know a family that pays $12,000 in property tax. You also have to deal with the cops who want to only pull people over so they can generate revenue.

I just found out yesterday that although I have taught in Asia last year I still have to pay New Jersey taxes because I'm still considered a resident. I was in South Korea for the full year and I still have to pay NJ taxes!

Anyway, $100K seems like a lot of money, but it's not really that much today.


The tax thing is not unique to NJ. It is all of USA. You can just file a non resident form for the duration and the tax rate should be different.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Nobody cares if you make $100k a year if you are in so much debt you have the buying power of someone who makes $35k a year. Take your W2 subtract taxes and student loans, remember that anyone making $35k practically gets all their taxes refunded, and yeah.

Not everyone making six figures is in a ton of debt.

$100k, a family of four, a modest $1500-2000 mortgage (with taxes / insurance included), and a couple cheap $200 car payments, 6% to a 401k, capping your IRA, insurance premiums from payroll and you are down to around or under $30k. This doesn't even factor in cash savings outside of retirement.

This has to do everything else. Also times of ones life can have a heavy factor in this. Having an extra $30k when the kids are teenagers is a lot different than when you have two kids in high tuition colleges.

I agree some are living on only $30k and still have to figure out rent/car/savings/retirement/etc.

I'd say you have to be much deeper into 6 figures to be 'comfortable'. Around $125-150k is probably where things start going much more smoothly.
 

ponyo

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again, i'm not talking about you. i'm talking about the people who save everything but don't do anything, because "they can't afford to".

You're talking about extremely tiny percentage of people. In fact it's so small I'll say they don't exist.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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You're talking about extremely tiny percentage of people. In fact it's so small I'll say they don't exist.

not according to many posters on this forum. 75% of the people who post in threads about finances usually fall into that category.
 

7window

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I have 1.5 (asset)and a good cash flow. The reason I am miserable because my uncle is in the forbes 400. I am greedy and deserve to be the same level as him. I am also smarter than him. I don't live extravagant and I dont have a mcmansion. Other than that I am not in the house just counting dollars.
 

Imported

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Wish I had a cheap mortgage.. Rent is over $3k for a 1BD/1BA. Weeeee. Price of living at a nice place in Mountain View.
 

RichieZ

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Wish I had a cheap mortgage.. Rent is over $3k for a 1BD/1BA. Weeeee. Price of living at a nice place in Mountain View.

that is just ridiculous, since when does MTV cost as much as living in SF? I worked down there for 4 of the 6 last years and I can't imagine the rent being that high
 

Engineer

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This is actually a very good point that liberals, like Dave, seem to ignore, particularly when they are blathering about the "poor" "looking out for their best interests". We have a couple resident P&Ner's who use that line frequently.

Apparently, while this logic works for minimum wage earners and union members, it's not allowed for the 1%er's or "rich", Instead, they are required, in the liberal mind, to look out for others' best interest. It amazes me the double standards that are used in liberal logic.

I'm not asking for more or less from the 1%'ers but I'll say this...they are the top of the chain and generally the ones who offshore people's jobs...especially those at the middle and lower middle range. In that regards, then yes, people are going to ask them to look out for other people's interest (lower classes) in keeping the jobs here.

As for the OP, those people are doing it wrong, IMO.
 

sdifox

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I'm not asking for more or less from the 1%'ers but I'll say this...they are the top of the chain and generally the ones who offshore people's jobs...especially those at the middle and lower middle range. In that regards, then yes, people are going to ask them to look out for other people's interest (lower classes) in keeping the jobs here.

As for the OP, those people are doing it wrong, IMO.



This is what I propose as a tax rate.


You are responsible for x% of the total tax burden if your income is x% of the national total income.
I think last year in the US the top 10% made 1/2 of all income. Thus they would be responsible for 1/2 of all tax burden.
 
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dmcowen674

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Heya Neighbors! How are you feeling since the accident? Healed up and fully mobile? Welcome to the area and welcome to low taxes and affordable property! We live near 146th and Carey. We almost lived in Zionsville just got a better deal on this place.

The wreck was Sept 29 2012.

We healed up in exactly 8 weeks as they said would take to heal.

Sept 29 2013 we got out of Chicago and moved to an apartment here.

You're pretty far north in Carmel, that is where my Boss lives.

Appreciate the lower taxes but don't think we will be doing anything with Real Estate.
 

Eug

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This is what I propose as a tax rate.


You are responsible for x% of the total tax burden if your income is x% of the national total income.
Say the top 1% made 95% of all income, they should also be responsible for 95% of the tax burden.
So a flat tax then? Much of the rich would actually welcome that.

That would mean someone making $1 million a year would be paying the same exact tax rate as someone making $10000 a year. The former pays 100X as much in actual dollars, but that would actually be an improvement in many cases.
 

Imported

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that is just ridiculous, since when does MTV cost as much as living in SF? I worked down there for 4 of the 6 last years and I can't imagine the rent being that high

That's the going rate for one with a gym, close to public transportation, in unit washer and dryer and being relatively new. I'd venture to guess half the people in my apartment complex work for Google or Stanford med.
 

sdifox

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So a flat tax then? Much of the rich would actually welcome that.

That would mean someone making $1 million a year would be paying the same exact tax rate as someone making $10000 a year. The former pays 100X as much in actual dollars, but that would actually be an improvement in many cases.

I am not sure it works out that way since it depends on number of people in that tier. Assuming we go with the decile system, and apparently the top decile made 1/2 of the income, then the top decile is responsible for 1/2 of the tax burden.

PS I am in the top decile in Canada.
 
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Engineer

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I am not sure it works out that way since it depends on number of people in that tier. Assuming we go with the decile system, and apparently the top decile made 1/2 of the income, then the top decile is responsible for 1/2 of the tax burden.

Yes, that would shift the tax burden from the upper tiers to those in the middle and bottom.

 

silverpig

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That's the going rate for one with a gym, close to public transportation, in unit washer and dryer and being relatively new. I'd venture to guess half the people in my apartment complex work for Google or Stanford med.

Which one do you work for?

That's the thing about high-paying jobs. They're usually in expensive places, and often, you have to work long hours which necessitates an expensive place close to work.

Until very recently I was working on Bay street in Toronto making good money, but also worked 18 hour days, which meant I lived downtown, which meant I was paying $2200/mo in rent. Also needed some fancy edjumacation which meant high student loan payments.

Yeah I had a decent amount of disposable income, but it's not like I lived on $4k/mo and saved $4k/mo.
 

sdifox

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Which one do you work for?

That's the thing about high-paying jobs. They're usually in expensive places, and often, you have to work long hours which necessitates an expensive place close to work.

Until very recently I was working on Bay street in Toronto making good money, but also worked 18 hour days, which meant I lived downtown, which meant I was paying $2200/mo in rent. Also needed some fancy edjumacation which meant high student loan payments.

Yeah I had a decent amount of disposable income, but it's not like I lived on $4k/mo and saved $4k/mo.

Once upon a time I was paying 4k into mortgage a month My mortgage was 1800 at the time.

Enjoyed 2 years of no mortgage. Now I have one again
 
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Engineer

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Between Obama, Brown, and Silicon Valley real estate, 200K might as well be middle class.

Has Obama and the federal government raised taxes on the $200,000 level?

(serious question as no rates below that have been raised that I know of).
 

thegimp03

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that is just ridiculous, since when does MTV cost as much as living in SF? I worked down there for 4 of the 6 last years and I can't imagine the rent being that high

I use to live in Mountain View...lived there for 4 years from 2006-2010. Really, what you're paying for is location. Easy access to 85/101/280/237, can work in either SF or SJ, easy access to both airports, etc. My rent was always pretty cheap for the area, but with south Bay Area housing prices through the roof, I'm not surprised that apartment rents have increased.

A friend of mine lives in downtown San Jose and he and his girlfriend pay ~$2,400 for a 1BR/1BA. He said that if they wanted 2BR it'd be only an extra $500 or so a month. It seems like apartments really feed off the singles and young couples who make good money but haven't saved up enough to put in a decent downpayment on a $1M house.
 

Imp

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I can't buy a shack with 350k here.

That's right... Your shack costs $450k asking and $550k after the bidding war.

I'm poor compared to the rest of you and get off on saving more than spending. The goal is freedom rather than wealth (i.e. not just having a si hueg number in bank account. Unfortunately, freedom has a price tag of about $1M because that's how much I'd need to never have to work again -- pending stock market crash. Taking donations...
 

RichieZ

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I use to live in Mountain View...lived there for 4 years from 2006-2010. Really, what you're paying for is location. Easy access to 85/101/280/237, can work in either SF or SJ, easy access to both airports, etc. My rent was always pretty cheap for the area, but with south Bay Area housing prices through the roof, I'm not surprised that apartment rents have increased.

A friend of mine lives in downtown San Jose and he and his girlfriend pay ~$2,400 for a 1BR/1BA. He said that if they wanted 2BR it'd be only an extra $500 or so a month. It seems like apartments really feed off the singles and young couples who make good money but haven't saved up enough to put in a decent downpayment on a $1M house.

his rent is more than the mortgage on my 2/2 in SOMA

I used to work at LinkedIn and the last startup I worked at got acquired by Google so I mean I get theres money and demand but the rent is outrageous
 

vi edit

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Relevant post to a large decision in my life. My wife and I are actually considering moving states and "downsizing" our lives and going more modest. Right now she makes close to double what I do and makes a *very* decent income. But we have a $1500 a month mortgage payment + $10,000 a year in property taxes, pay close to $15,000 a year in daycare and just constantly feel like we are racing around and neglecting our kids.

If she makes it through the interviews in the other state we'll strongly consider dropping down to one income. My son has been sick with pneumonia this whole week and we've not been able to take him to daycare, but still have to pay for it, still have to arrange babysitting so we can go to work. And it's just a rat race of getting up, getting kids shuffled out the door, coming home stressed, pulling some food out a box throwing it on the table and then basically going right into the bedtime routine.

We're just not happy with our lives and there's got to be a better way. The area we are looking into has a decent cost of living, we can get a decent family home for $250,000 and only have a $2500 a year property tax. Me dropping off the payroll is like an instant return of $20,000 in taxes. Plus we'd maybe even quality for a credit or two for the kids. Add in the day care savings. The lack of need to find summer daycare for my school age kid, no after care need. The fact that I can actually take time to prepare real meals before my wife gets home. Ect. Real net change to our household income would be around $1000-$1500 a month less. Plus I'd lose out on retirement savings. We wouldn't have two shiney new cars in the driveway like we do now, our house wouldn't be as fancy as it is now, and we probably wouldn't be taking as expensive as vacations. But the drop in stress, freedom with the kids and overall scaled down life sounds fairly liberating.

We're fortunate she has a job that it's even a consideration.
 

Mai72

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Stop listening to 101.5, New Jersey's population is growing and has been for years.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/34000.html

These 2 websites state the opposite. The first website is from NJ.com and the second one is from Forbes. Both are reputable sources.

I haven't listened to NJ101.5 in years. :biggrin:

http://www.nj.com/business/index.ss...ople_out_of_state_in_droves_survey_finds.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2013/02/07/the-states-people-are-fleeing-in-2013/
 

CPA

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I'm not asking for more or less from the 1%'ers but I'll say this...they are the top of the chain and generally the ones who offshore people's jobs...especially those at the middle and lower middle range. In that regards, then yes, people are going to ask them to look out for other people's interest (lower classes) in keeping the jobs here.

As for the OP, those people are doing it wrong, IMO.

There are a shit-ton more 1%ers who don't ship anything offshore, but that doesn't stop others from seeking blood.
 
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