4 people who earn six figures and still feel broke

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Mai72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2012
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The tax thing is not unique to NJ. It is all of USA. You can just file a non resident form for the duration and the tax rate should be different.

Thanks. I'm going to look into this when I complete my 2013 taxes. I still think that there would be a big difference if I claimed residence in West Virginia compared to a state like New Jersey.
 

Imported

Lifer
Sep 2, 2000
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I use to live in Mountain View...lived there for 4 years from 2006-2010. Really, what you're paying for is location. Easy access to 85/101/280/237, can work in either SF or SJ, easy access to both airports, etc. My rent was always pretty cheap for the area, but with south Bay Area housing prices through the roof, I'm not surprised that apartment rents have increased.

A friend of mine lives in downtown San Jose and he and his girlfriend pay ~$2,400 for a 1BR/1BA. He said that if they wanted 2BR it'd be only an extra $500 or so a month. It seems like apartments really feed off the singles and young couples who make good money but haven't saved up enough to put in a decent downpayment on a $1M house.

We were paying about that in San Jose. Traded the hour commute each way for $600. Now its 5-15 minutes pending street traffic. I think we could easily afford a mortgage payment in the area, but saving enough for a decent down payment is going to take years. Unless I luck into a startup that gets acquired or goes public. I don't see that happening though.
 

Engineer

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Oct 9, 1999
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There are a shit-ton more 1%ers who don't ship anything offshore, but that doesn't stop others from seeking blood.

There's also a shit ton of poor people who work and are not on welfare yet classified as such based on where they are. Regardless, when you are a 'job maker or job taker', you're going to be looked at different than if you're not, period.

Also, I never said they all do it but 'generally' (as I said), the 1% (actually probably more like .1%) are the 'group' that offshores jobs (as well as cuts in benefits, pay, etc. for the remainder of the workforce). It's certainly not the middle and poor that's doing it.
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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Relevant post to a large decision in my life. My wife and I are actually considering moving states and "downsizing" our lives and going more modest. Right now she makes close to double what I do and makes a *very* decent income. But we have a $1500 a month mortgage payment + $10,000 a year in property taxes, pay close to $15,000 a year in daycare and just constantly feel like we are racing around and neglecting our kids.

If she makes it through the interviews in the other state we'll strongly consider dropping down to one income. My son has been sick with pneumonia this whole week and we've not been able to take him to daycare, but still have to pay for it, still have to arrange babysitting so we can go to work. And it's just a rat race of getting up, getting kids shuffled out the door, coming home stressed, pulling some food out a box throwing it on the table and then basically going right into the bedtime routine.

We're just not happy with our lives and there's got to be a better way. The area we are looking into has a decent cost of living, we can get a decent family home for $250,000 and only have a $2500 a year property tax. Me dropping off the payroll is like an instant return of $20,000 in taxes. Plus we'd maybe even quality for a credit or two for the kids. Add in the day care savings. The lack of need to find summer daycare for my school age kid, no after care need. The fact that I can actually take time to prepare real meals before my wife gets home. Ect. Real net change to our household income would be around $1000-$1500 a month less. Plus I'd lose out on retirement savings. We wouldn't have two shiney new cars in the driveway like we do now, our house wouldn't be as fancy as it is now, and we probably wouldn't be taking as expensive as vacations. But the drop in stress, freedom with the kids and overall scaled down life sounds fairly liberating.

We're fortunate she has a job that it's even a consideration.


Not to prod, but with your wife making well over 6 figures and having a what amounts to $2350 a month mortgage/tax payment, what would keep you from going to one income where you currently live?

On a side note, where are you thinking of moving?
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
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Not to prod, but with your wife making well over 6 figures and having a what amounts to $2350 a month mortgage/tax payment, what would keep you from going to one income where you currently live?

On a side note, where are you thinking of moving?
He should come to S.C. since we lost you.
 

quikah

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Apr 7, 2003
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That's the going rate for one with a gym, close to public transportation, in unit washer and dryer and being relatively new. I'd venture to guess half the people in my apartment complex work for Google or Stanford med.

That is still pretty ridiculous and at the top end of the stuff listed on CL. It isn't that new development on San Antonio is it? That place is ridiculously overpriced.
 

MrPickins

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May 24, 2003
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From the article:

“I was having to stagger my rent payments in order to pay my loans,” she says. “One paycheck went to loans and the other went to rent [for my apartment in Manhattan].” What little surplus she had was spent on food, leaving next to nothing available for savings.

Well, how about moving the hell out of Manhattan? :hmm:
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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Yep... Once you add things like mortgage debt, car loan debt, student loan debt, credit card debt, taxes, child support, and alimony... You could make $200K a year and be in the hole.
 

WackyDan

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Jan 26, 2004
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Around $125-150k is probably where things start going much more smoothly.

Maybe? I'm in that range, married with a child. My wife is stay at home due to the medical needs of our three year old... which are finally subsiding.

My mortgage on a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath house with 2 car garage on 1/3 acre of land is $800 a month and my property, garbage and school taxes total $1700 per year. I have a $258 car payment.

So we are doing ok, but it has only been the last several years that I've made over six figures and that can go away by surprise pretty much any day as proven when I was laid off in 2010.

We are comfortable, but we live way within our means so I can afford to make less, but still, the amount of household expenses can be surprising even though my wife is fruggle and low maintenance. If I had to step back to making even $50k a year, that would stress me the fuck out.
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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Not to prod, but with your wife making well over 6 figures and having a what amounts to $2350 a month mortgage/tax payment, what would keep you from going to one income where you currently live?

I make enough that it's hard to quit. Selling our current home and unlocking equity to apply to another place puts us into a *much* lower payment, the property tax burden is a fraction of what we have now, and it just gives us a chance to sort of "reset" our priorities. My wife is interviewing in Lexington, KY and my job options are limited and won't pay anywhere close to what I'm making right now.

We'd lose the grandma *please bail us out!* card moving there which is a massive luxury we have right now. So between the lower income on my part, the decreased flexibility in shuffling kids around and the ability really reduce our monthly overhead it gives us an opportunity to better consider changing things up.
 

PricklyPete

Lifer
Sep 17, 2002
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I make enough that it's hard to quit. Selling our current home and unlocking equity to apply to another place puts us into a *much* lower payment, the property tax burden is a fraction of what we have now, and it just gives us a chance to sort of "reset" our priorities. My wife is interviewing in Lexington, KY and my job options are limited and won't pay anywhere close to what I'm making right now.

We'd lose the grandma *please bail us out!* card moving there which is a massive luxury we have right now. So between the lower income on my part, the decreased flexibility in shuffling kids around and the ability really reduce our monthly overhead it gives us an opportunity to better consider changing things up.

I certainly understand your thought process, and I am sure Lexington area is nice, but my only thought is that you may be able to do it without upending your family if you actually enjoy Illinois. What about selling your current house and moving to a smaller home in Illinois? Maybe that in combination of minimizing child care costs may make you leaving your job doable and make the transition a little easier.

I do understand the appeal of a clean slate provided by a new location/state.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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I make enough that it's hard to quit. Selling our current home and unlocking equity to apply to another place puts us into a *much* lower payment, the property tax burden is a fraction of what we have now, and it just gives us a chance to sort of "reset" our priorities. My wife is interviewing in Lexington, KY and my job options are limited and won't pay anywhere close to what I'm making right now.

We'd lose the grandma *please bail us out!* card moving there which is a massive luxury we have right now. So between the lower income on my part, the decreased flexibility in shuffling kids around and the ability really reduce our monthly overhead it gives us an opportunity to better consider changing things up.

I agree with this. My fiancee's family actually offered when they sell their home to buy us a house on their land in Alabama or Tennessee. It's about 120 miles outside the nearest city, no internet, no cable, no technology.

He's saying it'd be a free place to live and he could hire me on his farm for spending money. It's not worth it to me.
 

shadow9d9

Diamond Member
Jul 6, 2004
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This is actually a very good point that liberals, like Dave, seem to ignore, particularly when they are blathering about the "poor" "looking out for their best interests". We have a couple resident P&Ner's who use that line frequently.

Apparently, while this logic works for minimum wage earners and union members, it's not allowed for the 1%er's or "rich", Instead, they are required, in the liberal mind, to look out for others' best interest. It amazes me the double standards that are used in liberal logic.

Don't bring your political garbage here. You bring down the IQ of the whole place.
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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I live in New Jersey and we have the largest exodus of people leaving the state EVER! It's expensive to live here. I know a family that pays $12,000 in property tax. You also have to deal with the cops who want to only pull people over so they can generate revenue.

I just found out yesterday that although I have taught in Asia last year I still have to pay New Jersey taxes because I'm still considered a resident. I was in South Korea for the full year and I still have to pay NJ taxes!

Anyway, $100K seems like a lot of money, but it's not really that much today.

NJ has the largest property taxes in the country. That being said, you act like 12k is that much. For a 600k house, sure. You sound young.

When you have baby boomers retiring and moving away from the NYC area to move to cheap places with no taxes like Florida, it isn't shocking that people are leaving. Guess how good the schools in Florida are(no one wants to pay taxes), 48th in the country. You get what you pay for...
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
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lol, people who cant live on 100$k? growing up my family (6 people) never made more than 50$k (adjusted for inflation, so like 30$k-40$k back then). so i have no problem living on 25$k to 30$k and saving the rest.
 
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