Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
/relaxes not having to worry about insurance and healthcare costs.
How's it feel to be a slave and not control your own destiny.
What say you slave? Don't worry, I'll take care of you. Now get back to work.
In what sense am I a slave? In that I work hard all week to pay exorbitant costs to medical corporations whenever I get injured? Oh wait, that would be you, where your healthcare costs more than twice as much as ours for the same level of cover.
Since you live in a socialist country you as a population have been dumbed down for so long when it comes to personal liberty and choice you couldn't possibly understand. Your government has won. You are also ignorant if you think the costs don't affect you....they are just indirect and if health care costs rise you either pay more taxes or receive less or inferior care. I guess you just like paying taxes or you are one of those at the bottom of the rung so to you it is all gain since you don't pay for much but consume all you like.
Oh no, 'socialist' countries spend half as much on healthcare as we do and THEY'RE the suckers, jesus christ you're retarded
Yes they are the suckers. They have no freedom, no choice, no liberty. They have their bread, they have their cheese. But their need for society is predetermined and the barriers to their success are nothing short of apartheid.
Originally posted by: Phokus
This is YOUR america, spidey:
http://www.harvardscience.harv...d-lack-health-coverage
"New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage"
Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts
You and your ilk are quite literally scum of the earth.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Phokus
This is YOUR america, spidey:
http://www.harvardscience.harv...d-lack-health-coverage
"New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage"
Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts
You and your ilk are quite literally scum of the earth.
Can't provide for yourself means you should die. Darwin rules.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
/relaxes not having to worry about insurance and healthcare costs.
How's it feel to be a slave and not control your own destiny.
What say you slave? Don't worry, I'll take care of you. Now get back to work.
In what sense am I a slave? In that I work hard all week to pay exorbitant costs to medical corporations whenever I get injured? Oh wait, that would be you, where your healthcare costs more than twice as much as ours for the same level of cover.
Since you live in a socialist country you as a population have been dumbed down for so long when it comes to personal liberty and choice you couldn't possibly understand. Your government has won. You are also ignorant if you think the costs don't affect you....they are just indirect and if health care costs rise you either pay more taxes or receive less or inferior care. I guess you just like paying taxes or you are one of those at the bottom of the rung so to you it is all gain since you don't pay for much but consume all you like.
Oh no, 'socialist' countries spend half as much on healthcare as we do and THEY'RE the suckers, jesus christ you're retarded
Yes they are the suckers. They have no freedom, no choice, no liberty. They have their bread, they have their cheese. But their need for society is predetermined and the barriers to their success are nothing short of apartheid.
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
/relaxes not having to worry about insurance and healthcare costs.
How's it feel to be a slave and not control your own destiny.
What say you slave? Don't worry, I'll take care of you. Now get back to work.
In what sense am I a slave? In that I work hard all week to pay exorbitant costs to medical corporations whenever I get injured? Oh wait, that would be you, where your healthcare costs more than twice as much as ours for the same level of cover.
Since you live in a socialist country you as a population have been dumbed down for so long when it comes to personal liberty and choice you couldn't possibly understand. Your government has won. You are also ignorant if you think the costs don't affect you....they are just indirect and if health care costs rise you either pay more taxes or receive less or inferior care. I guess you just like paying taxes or you are one of those at the bottom of the rung so to you it is all gain since you don't pay for much but consume all you like.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
paying a few measily dollars in japan for stitches vs $452 here in the USA. Sorry, but you're dumb.
edit: I think even overnight hospital stays in Japan cost something like $10 a night.
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
paying a few measily dollars in japan for stitches vs $452 here in the USA. Sorry, but you're dumb.
edit: I think even overnight hospital stays in Japan cost something like $10 a night.
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
paying a few measily dollars in japan for stitches vs $452 here in the USA. Sorry, but you're dumb.
edit: I think even overnight hospital stays in Japan cost something like $10 a night.
I got punched over by some dickwad in town here in NZ - fell backward and hit my head on the pavement and was KO'd for a few mins. Got picked up by an ambulance, got a head X-ray and stayed in hospital overnight, got sent home with some pain meds. Didn't cost me anything, nor should it.
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
paying a few measily dollars in japan for stitches vs $452 here in the USA. Sorry, but you're dumb.
edit: I think even overnight hospital stays in Japan cost something like $10 a night.
I got punched over by some dickwad in town here in NZ - fell backward and hit my head on the pavement and was KO'd for a few mins. Got picked up by an ambulance, got a head X-ray and stayed in hospital overnight, got sent home with some pain meds. Didn't cost me anything, nor should it.
so you don't pay taxes then right? since it cost you nothing
Originally posted by: ric1287
so you don't pay taxes then right? since it cost you nothing
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
paying a few measily dollars in japan for stitches vs $452 here in the USA. Sorry, but you're dumb.
edit: I think even overnight hospital stays in Japan cost something like $10 a night.
I'm assuming the rest of the ACTUAL cost is provided for from the magic dust that unicorns fart?
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: ric1287
so you don't pay taxes then right? since it cost you nothing
Fair point It does cost us, you're right. It just costs about 1/3 of what you pay per capita. Source
Originally posted by: Jimbo
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: ric1287
so you don't pay taxes then right? since it cost you nothing
Fair point It does cost us, you're right. It just costs about 1/3 of what you pay per capita. Source
If lower is better, shouldn't we all be aspiring to imitate the Congo's health care model?
Do you have any data for equivalency of care?
That might be more useful than just a raw dollar number.
?As in previous years, it comes back to the fact that we are paying much higher prices for health care goods and services in the United States. Paying more is okay if our outcomes were better than other countries. But we are paying more for comparable outcomes,? said Anderson, who is also the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Hospital Finance and Management.
Despite having the most costly health system in the world, the United States consistently underperforms on most dimensions of performance, relative to other countries. This report?an update to two earlier editions?includes data from surveys of patients, as well as information from primary care physicians about their medical practices and views of their countries' health systems. Compared with five other nations?Australia, Canada, Germany, New Zealand, the United Kingdom?the U.S. health care system ranks last or next-to-last on five dimensions of a high performance health system: quality, access, efficiency, equity, and healthy lives.
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
paying a few measily dollars in japan for stitches vs $452 here in the USA. Sorry, but you're dumb.
edit: I think even overnight hospital stays in Japan cost something like $10 a night.
I got punched over by some dickwad in town here in NZ - fell backward and hit my head on the pavement and was KO'd for a few mins. Got picked up by an ambulance, got a head X-ray and stayed in hospital overnight, got sent home with some pain meds. Didn't cost me anything, nor should it.
so you don't pay taxes then right? since it cost you nothing
The point is that health care isn't something people should miss out on because they can't afford it. So if I had been knocked over, and it turned out I had a brain bleed but couldn't afford treatment, should I be denied care?
It's better to live happy and sound in the knowledge that if the worst should happen (chronic illness), your country is there to help you. And you don't have to bankrupt yourself for it.
At the end of the day, that's why we pay taxes. So I take it you don't pay taxes? Oh wait, yes you do, then you also pay out the ass for care as well.
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Mike Gayner
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Spidey I like you in OT but I've read the crap you spew in P&N and honestly you just seem to lose your marbles when the conversation gets political (shut up Phokus, so do you). You have absolutely no idea what it's like to live in a "socialist" country and you know nothing about the people here, so kindly keep your bigoted and highly offensive opinions to yourself.
My travels around the world have afforded me all I need to know about living in socialist countries. They fucking suck. You guys accept that shit as normal because you don't know anything better.
paying a few measily dollars in japan for stitches vs $452 here in the USA. Sorry, but you're dumb.
edit: I think even overnight hospital stays in Japan cost something like $10 a night.
I got punched over by some dickwad in town here in NZ - fell backward and hit my head on the pavement and was KO'd for a few mins. Got picked up by an ambulance, got a head X-ray and stayed in hospital overnight, got sent home with some pain meds. Didn't cost me anything, nor should it.
so you don't pay taxes then right? since it cost you nothing
The point is that health care isn't something people should miss out on because they can't afford it. So if I had been knocked over, and it turned out I had a brain bleed but couldn't afford treatment, should I be denied care?
It's better to live happy and sound in the knowledge that if the worst should happen (chronic illness), your country is there to help you. And you don't have to bankrupt yourself for it.
At the end of the day, that's why we pay taxes. So I take it you don't pay taxes? Oh wait, yes you do, then you also pay out the ass for care as well.
Well I look at it this way: we have so much other shit to fix here, so much debt, so much waste...the last thing we need (now) is a massive sink hole of spending that will most likely waste massive amounts of money. Fix all the needless waste, then spend.
And it may be heartless, but where does it say anyone is "entitled" to health care? If you don't do anything useful for society (paying taxes), why do you "deserve" anything?
Originally posted by: Jimbo
I found some cancer survival rate comparisons that look interesting.
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba596
Having had cancer and living here in the USA, I have to say the care I received was second to none; I honestly don't think I could have received better care than had I been The President.
In my instance I was seen by my doctor, referred to a specialist, diagnosed (with a second and third opinion), all on the same Thursday (it was a busy day). I was in surgery on Friday, and went home on Sunday.
For 14 of 16 types of cancer, a European country had the highest survival rate; for 2 of 16 types of cancer: colorectal cancer[49] and prostate cancer,[50] the U.S. had the highest survival rate.
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Jimbo
I found some cancer survival rate comparisons that look interesting.
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba596
Having had cancer and living here in the USA, I have to say the care I received was second to none; I honestly don't think I could have received better care than had I been The President.
In my instance I was seen by my doctor, referred to a specialist, diagnosed (with a second and third opinion), all on the same Thursday (it was a busy day). I was in surgery on Friday, and went home on Sunday.
Disclaimer:
The National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) is an American non-profit conservative think tank