4 U.S. governors on jobs: Not enough (qualified/skilled) workers

Svnla

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I read/hear about unemployed and underemployed and how young students are unable to pay their student loans because of no full time good paying jobs with benefits.

What do you guys/gals (ya'll) think? True, Not True, Half True?


"I have 30,000 technology jobs open," Democrat Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia advertised -- and lamented -- Monday. He says many open tech jobs in his state are in cybersecurity but that experienced workers aren't available.


Right now, there are 5.4 million jobs open in the United States. That's near a record high. On one hand it's a good sign that employers are hiring. But the high number also indicates that employers can't find people with the right skills, experts point out.

"When it comes to new, unfilled jobs, there's not enough skilled workers there," Ahu Yildirmaz, chief economist at the payroll services firm ADP told CNNMoney at Milken.




http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/03/news/economy/us-governors-job-skills/index.html

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ctbaars

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How do you become skilled.
Employers do not train anymore. You're just going to leave anyway.
In my dads day, you stayed for life.
 

Brian Stirling

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How do you become skilled.
Employers do not train anymore. You're just going to leave anyway.
In my dads day, you stayed for life.


What we have is tech companies pushing for more N1 visas so they can bring in more LOWER PAID tech workers -- that's what this is about. There are lots of trained American's but the companies want to bring in lower paid people to do the job. We have outsourcing but we also have insourcing where companies make use of illegals for low skilled workers and N1 visa for lower paid skilled workers. The tech companies complain and the governors carry there water.


Brian
 

poofyhairguy

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And yet no one wants to talk about fixing the education system to get to where we need to be.

It took Spudnik last time to get Americans to give a crap about getting serious about STEM educations. We might not get another chance like that.
 

Imp

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I heard that exact same stat months ago...?

P.S. How many of those jobs require 20 years experience in the newest coding language?
 

Brian Stirling

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And yet no one wants to talk about fixing the education system to get to where we need to be.

It took Spudnik last time to get Americans to give a crap about getting serious about STEM educations. We might not get another chance like that.


Actually, the biggest problem we have in getting kids to commit to STEM education is the fact that companies would rather outsource the work to China or India or insource with Ni visas from ... wait for it ... China or India. Kids look at the risk/reward and decide US companies would rather hire cheap labor anyway so why bother.

I don't see this getting better anytime soon as the desire to exploit cheap labor shows little sign of abating...


Brian
 
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I saw this, here's a unique idea pay more money for the spots that are needed. Recruit from your competitors use better pay & benefits to attract applicants. Maybe everyone doesn't need a Masters Degree for every position.

I know this is crazy 80/90s talk.
 

poofyhairguy

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Kids look at the risk/reward and decide US companies would rather hire cheap labor anyway so why bother.

We wish kids looked at the ROI. The problem is they sign up for a massive loan for an English degree expecting it to all work out because every adult they encountered growing up told them the path to success is going to college and chasing your dreams.

I wish just once someone would have told me "most jobs suck and you will most likely end up doing a job that isn't something you want to do. Just make good decisions so you can get paid well for that misery."
 

xochi

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Half True

Workers must be able to pass a drug test, a basic skills test and have no criminal background. These three simple things disqualifies many applicants. In addition, they may need a specialized certification/degree or training.
 
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Workers must be able to pass a drug test, a basic skills test and have no criminal background. These three simple things disqualifies many applicants. In addition, they may need a specialized certification/degree or training.

What industry do you work in? Drug test is the final thing drug tests aren't required to interview.
As a former hiring manager I can only think of two applicants disqualified for background check neither for drugs both for listing degrees they did not have.
 

ivwshane

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And yet no one wants to talk about fixing the education system to get to where we need to be.

It took Spudnik last time to get Americans to give a crap about getting serious about STEM educations. We might not get another chance like that.

I wonder how these governors education rankings look and how their education spending/budget looks compared to tax cuts they've passed.

You would think a competent governor would be in contact with various industries in their state to find out their current and future hiring needs and then communicating that and pushing for policies that will fill those needs.
 

Bart*Simpson

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I know what we should do: RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE!!!

That way the unskilled US workers will definitely be more expensive than skilled foreign workers!

That'll show those evil employers a thing or two!
 

dullard

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dullard

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What we have is tech companies pushing for more N1 visas so they can bring in more LOWER PAID tech workers -- that's what this is about. There are lots of trained American's but the companies want to bring in lower paid people to do the job. We have outsourcing but we also have insourcing where companies make use of illegals for low skilled workers and N1 visa for lower paid skilled workers. The tech companies complain and the governors carry there water.
How many unemployed cybersecurity people are just sitting around waiting for a higher job offer to join the work force? Is it more than what I can count on my hands?

You are partly correct that raising salaries can partly solve the problem. But the bigger problems are:

1) We aren't generating the right type of people in our education system.

2) People aren't willing/able to change careers and/or move.

3) We don't pay teachers enough in the tech field to really teach the tech field (the good ones will generally not be teaching).

4) Companies aren't willing to train, are hypersensitive on rejecting an applicant for any reason (you only have 15 years experience in Facebook, we want someone with 25 years!), aren't willing to bend requirements that really don't matter, etc.

5) People think college is about chasing dreams. It is about getting a career.

6) Our immigration system is completely broken.

Then in a distant last place add in the higher salary.
 
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xochi

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What industry do you work in? Drug test is the final thing drug tests aren't required to interview.
As a former hiring manager I can only think of two applicants disqualified for background check neither for drugs both for listing degrees they did not have.

I'm in Consulting, but I was speaking of non-degree positions. The positions I was thinking of pay in the $12-$14 range, which isn't bad for an entry level position. One large food manufacturing company required hair follicle drug testing for the line workers. I thought this was excessive, but they still complained they needed workers. The skills test weeds out more applicants though.
 

fskimospy

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If there aren't enough skilled workers then why aren't wages in those industries skyrocketing?
 
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I saw this, here's a unique idea pay more money for the spots that are needed. Recruit from your competitors use better pay & benefits to attract applicants. Maybe everyone doesn't need a Masters Degree for every position.

I know this is crazy 80/90s talk.
Yep. You want qualified people, pony up the cash and training instead of bitching that you can't find anyone.

It took Spudnik last time to get Americans to give a crap about getting serious about STEM educations. We might not get another chance like that.
This country graduates plenty of STEM people and we aren't facing a shortage.
 
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Hugo Drax

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I read/hear about unemployed and underemployed and how young students are unable to pay their student loans because of no full time good paying jobs with benefits.

What do you guys/gals (ya'll) think? True, Not True, Half True?







http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/03/news/economy/us-governors-job-skills/index.html

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Total bullshit, we are putting out tons of educated people from our top universities such as MIT,etc.. and they are saying they cannot find qualified people? The same Universities and public schools that put men on the moon?

It is all about opening up the floodgates for more indentured servants stuck at a job unable to leave or they lose the H1B Visa and are sent home.
 

Sonikku

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Wahhhh! Skilled labor with college degrees aren't willing to work for the $10 an hour we're offering! We have a shortage of (dirt cheap) labor!!
 

shady28

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And then you get stuff like this :

Tata Consultancy Services to appeal $940m fine in US
Indian IT group accused of ‘brazenly stealing’ trade secrets from Epic Systems


Epic, a privately held group based in Wisconsin, had accused TCS of “brazenly stealing … secrets, confidential information, documents, and data” via employees of its US subsidiary Tata America International Corporation, according to court documents.

Epic claimed the theft appeared “to have been masterminded in Mumbai, then carried out in both India and the US” while TCS was consulting for a customer of Epic’s, US healthcare group Kaiser Permanente.
 

Texashiker

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These jobs probably want a BS and pay 9.50/hr.

Maybe, but for every $9 an hour job there are good paying jobs few people want to do.

Are you willing to work away from home for weeks at a time? Work in the heat, cold, rain,,,,? Are you willing to do a job where you could be killed? How about work 80+ hours a week? Maybe upwards to 100 hours a week?

I am working such a job, entry level making close to $50k a year.
 
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