.40 for home defense, general carrying?

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pontifex

Lifer
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Is it just me, or does anyone else sigh and roll their eyes when they see a non-law enforcement officer openly carrying around a gun in a place like a store or a movie theater?

why? i'd like to hear this one.
 

Zargon

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Other than glocks explode if you look at them funny, yes.

what a bunch of crap.

I have a gen 1, made in austria glock. build date 1987

I've put a few thou through it, and no explosions. Let alone what rounds went through it during the 20 years before I owned it


get a 9mm if its your first handgun.

WAY WAY WAY cheaper to shoot. and practice is the most important thing. the only thing cheaper is .22

the 4th gen g19 is amazingly nice......I shot one a few weeks ago.


jadow: how is a revovler that much simpler than a semi auto handgun?

its not. I pull the trigger and it goes bang over and over, way longer than a revovler will.

911: what do you mean by glock=stovepipe

I head towards glock, sig, and beretta.

they dont change much, parts are plentiful, and knowledge is very widespread.

HK USPs are giant bricks and expensive.

S&W and Springfield change their handgun line enough that parts could be a problem if you keep it a long time. plus all that I just named have great resale if you don't.

get on glocktalk, ar15, the high road, and check out used guns in your area
 

pontifex

Lifer
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Sometimes I roll my eyes. I was taught that your gun is like your penis, you shouldn't whip it out in public. Besides, if I was a criminal I would shoot the fuck out of the person with a gun first, but knowing people CC it would deter me from being criminal because you never know who has a gun on you. Besides, if you open carry, prepare to get hassled to all hell by people. Just because you have the right to own a gun, doesn't mean you have to flaunt it. Just like free speech, just because you can say anything you want doesn't mean you should.

just because someone open carries doesn't mean they are flaunting it.
 

pontifex

Lifer
Dec 5, 2000
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what a bunch of crap.

I have a gen 1, made in austria glock. build date 1987

I've put a few thou through it, and no explosions. Let alone what rounds went through it during the 20 years before I owned it


get a 9mm if its your first handgun.

WAY WAY WAY cheaper to shoot. and practice is the most important thing. the only thing cheaper is .22

the 4th gen g19 is amazingly nice......I shot one a few weeks ago.


jadow: how is a revovler that much simpler than a semi auto handgun?

its not. I pull the trigger and it goes bang over and over, way longer than a revovler will.

911: what do you mean by glock=stovepipe

I head towards glock, sig, and beretta.

they dont change much, parts are plentiful, and knowledge is very widespread.

HK USPs are giant bricks and expensive.

S&W and Springfield change their handgun line enough that parts could be a problem if you keep it a long time. plus all that I just named have great resale if you don't.

get on glocktalk, ar15, the high road, and check out used guns in your area

semi-autos can jam, ftf, fte, if you have a dud round you have to rack the slide.

with a revolver you just keep pulling the trigger. if you have a dud round pull the trigger again and you have another round to fire. sure, it's less capacity but revolvers are more reliable and easier to operate. you don't have to worry about a safety, or racking the slide, or a magazine.
 

Zargon

Lifer
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glocks dont jam

bu tthose are valid concerns. not that big of a problem anymore....that I hear of


but seriously, I've had one bad primer in a few K rounds, and no FTF's except on my taurus, and I was trying to feed hydrashock through it and it just wouldnt do it.

I am not anti-revolvers, but I would have one as my primary, 6 rounds just isnt enough for me to comfortable, especially if I just got woken up in the middle of the night
 

irishScott

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glocks dont jam

bu tthose are valid concerns. not that big of a problem anymore....that I hear of


but seriously, I've had one bad primer in a few K rounds, and no FTF's except on my taurus, and I was trying to feed hydrashock through it and it just wouldnt do it.

I am not anti-revolvers, but I would have one as my primary, 6 rounds just isnt enough for me to comfortable, especially if I just got woken up in the middle of the night

I wouldn't be anti-revolver for home defense. Could keep it loaded indefinitely without having to worry about spring softening. Given that the odds of my home being broken into while I'm in it are next to nil, could be a valid benefit. Depends on your situation.
 

Zargon

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It's the only one that does that. I will admit I haven't fired one in 15 or so years though...

I dont believe its much of an issue anymore, especially with non .40's

some +p's can cause issues if they are too hot supposedly too
 

Zargon

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I wouldn't be anti-revolver for home defense. Could keep it loaded indefinitely without having to worry about spring softening. Given that the odds of my home being broken into while I'm in it are next to nil, could be a valid benefit. Depends on your situation.

you should be shooting whatever you are using for HD often enough that you would notice if its an issue.

I dont leave one hot in the chamber 24/7its generally not even loaded if I am not home since my wife is still getting accostomed to things that go boom

ideally I would like to add a 870 or 500 pump to the home defense 'arsenal' (along with a AR15 but thats mostly for fun)

its the OP's first and only handgun, thats why I am suggesting a major brand semi auto 9mm.


I looked into 32 and 380 but holy crap. cost too much.
 
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Well you can own something very similar to a p90. Although it would be semi-auto only and with a longer barrel.


However, wouldn't the 5.7 have penetration issues? I know it goes through armor reasonably well for what it is, so I'd imagine it would go through a body pretty easily and keep on going.

Yeah, the ps90 is ass. Completely loses the point with those mods.

The ss190 would pass through, that's what it's made for. I'd still like to have a mag of it for those times when it'd be useful (armor, target in a vehicle, etc). The 192hp lacked the extreme penetration, since it was a hollow point. It was still just a bit too fast for the expansion in my opinion.
 

bruceb

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Personally, F-N Herstal makes a very nice gun.
FNP-40 and also available in .45 .. FNP-45

http://www.fnhusa.com/mil/products/firearms/family.asp?fid=FNF019&gid=FNG001



They also make in black / stainless if you don't want
a polymer version. FNX-40 ... It is on the LE and commercial side of the site, but it is not restricted to LEO use.

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF060&gid=FNG001&mid=FNM0175

- 40 S&W

- 4" barrel on all FNX models

- 1 in 16" RH Twist Rate

- Length 7.40"

- Height 5.45"

- Width 1.55"

- 14 round capacity

- Double-action/singleaction (DA/SA) operation with decocking/manual safety levers (MS)

- Made in the USA
 
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MrMatt

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Hmmmm. After much deliberation it sounds like I should get two guns. For home defense purposes I think I should go with a 9MM. It's honestly been a while since I fired anything consistently, I'm going to need a lot of practice for safety's sake. Even though I'd like a .40, it seems like a 9 would be a better idea right now. Maybe after I'm used to a 9 I'll get a sub compact .40 for CCW, and keep the 9 for home defense.
 

adairusmc

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.40 Short & Weak is a decent round, but it is based on a real cartridge so a little bit of greatness had to rub off.

10mm auto > *
 

Jadow

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Is it just me, or does anyone else sigh and roll their eyes when they see a non-law enforcement officer openly carrying around a gun in a place like a store or a movie theater?

Like the fricken 21 year old county sheriffs around here who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, and make a whopping 19 grand a year.

Read some Robert Heinlein, I esp recommend "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", and check out your local cops sometime, then come back here.
 

pontifex

Lifer
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.40 Short & Weak is a decent round, but it is based on a real cartridge so a little bit of greatness had to rub off.

10mm auto > *

got that right, at least in price. ableammo.com has 10mm cci blazer (pretty cheap stuff) for 24.41 per box of 50.

compare to 9mm cci blazer at a little over 11.00 per 50 and .40 is over 18.00 per 50.
 

jlee

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Like the fricken 21 year old county sheriffs around here who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, and make a whopping 19 grand a year.

Read some Robert Heinlein, I esp recommend "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", and check out your local cops sometime, then come back here.

$19k??

yeesh.
 

adairusmc

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got that right, at least in price. ableammo.com has 10mm cci blazer (pretty cheap stuff) for 24.41 per box of 50.

compare to 9mm cci blazer at a little over 11.00 per 50 and .40 is over 18.00 per 50.

lol, cci blazer ammo.


Those who shoot 10mm shoot real ammo - doubletap, buffalo bore, or elite ammunition. Stuff that is loaded how it is supposed to be - at 41magnum to 44magnum ballistics.

It costs more because it is superior in every way. You are comparing apples and oranges.
 

Tweak155

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I have a Glock 19 (9mm) and a Taurus P92 Spcl (think Beretta 92 with black / steel finish, also 9mm). Went with what I could aim well, although I didn't shoot that many.
 
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irishScott

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lol, cci blazer ammo.


Those who shoot 10mm shoot real ammo - doubletap, buffalo bore, or elite ammunition. Stuff that is loaded how it is supposed to be - at 41magnum to 44magnum ballistics.

It costs more because it is superior in every way. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Yeah, and when you get 1000 rounds of said brands to practice with let me know. I want to laugh at how much you spent while popping off cheap reloads at the range.

Obviously for something I'm going to trust my life to I'll spare no expense, and even run 100 rounds of my defensive load to make sure it cycles well, but beyond that it's the cheapest I can find for practice.
 

adairusmc

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Yeah, and when you get 1000 rounds of said brands to practice with let me know. I want to laugh at how much you spent while popping off cheap reloads at the range.

Obviously for something I'm going to trust my life to I'll spare no expense, and even run 100 rounds of my defensive load to make sure it cycles well, but beyond that it's the cheapest I can find for practice.


I reload for my 10mm too, but I dont mess around with loads and load them as hot as SAAMI specs allow. No sense in shooting light loads, or else I would just drop the extra .40S&W barrel I have for my 10mm 1911 and put the factory recoil spring in and I can just shoot .40 ammo.

I do sometimes seat bullets very long in a .40S&W case, and if I use the factory recoil spring in my 10mm they will serve as light loads, but it is too much to worry about have stopped doing that. Plus, getting the bullets seated out that long and storing them in the quantities I like to store ammo in was troublesome.
 
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